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2010-01-13 16:57:13

JakAttaK: csanva<3; +492|6585|England

Alright guys, so pretty soon I'm gunna have the money to be able to fund some studio monitors. I don't really know a thing about monitors, so any help will be greatly appreciated. First of all, the budget. I'm setting myself a budget of around £600 for a pair. I think thats pretty reasonable, obviously I could spend more, but my "studio" is my room, so I could spend thousands and the monitors wouldn't sound very good
Secondly, they can't be too big. My room isn't massive, and I mentioned to my tutor about getting the KRK RP8's, and he said that the 8's may be a bit too big for my room, so the 5's might be more suited.
Thirdly, I want them to be active. I don't want to spend money on an amp.
Fourthly, I don't want a flat line response. I going to need speakers with a bit of bass to them.
I'm just looking for a list of what you guys recommend, then I'm going to go to Digital Village and listen to music through them Obviously, if I like a pair, I will buy them.
I'm asking you guys because as I said, I know fuck all about monitors. I'm very aware there is a lot of people here who are amazing with this stuff.
So yeh, so far, I'm going to look at the KRK RP8's and the RP5's.
Go go go:) xx

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2010-01-13 17:09:03

CammRobb: Banned; +1,510|6389|Carnoustie MASSIF

JakAttaK wrote:
Alright guys, so pretty soon I'm gunna have the money to be able to fund some studio monitors. I don't really know a thing about monitors, so any help will be greatly appreciated. First of all, the budget. I'm setting myself a budget of around £600 for a pair. I think thats pretty reasonable, obviously I could spend more, but my "studio" is my room, so I could spend thousands and the monitors wouldn't sound very good
Secondly, they can't be too big. My room isn't massive, and I mentioned to my tutor about getting the KRK RP8's, and he said that the 8's may be a bit too big for my room, so the 5's might be more suited.
Thirdly, I want them to be active. I don't want to spend money on an amp.
Fourthly, I don't want a flat line response. I going to need speakers with a bit of bass to them.
I'm just looking for a list of what you guys recommend, then I'm going to go to Digital Village and listen to music through them Obviously, if I like a pair, I will buy them.
I'm asking you guys because as I said, I know fuck all about monitors. I'm very aware there is a lot of people here who are amazing with this stuff.
So yeh, so far, I'm going to look at the KRK RP8's and the RP5's.
Go go go:) xx

I'm no audiophile, but wouldn't getting non-active (passive?) monitors that are a little cheaper, and an amp be a better way to go?

2010-01-13 17:11:54

JakAttaK: csanva<3; +492|6585|England

CammRobb wrote:
JakAttaK wrote:
Alright guys, so pretty soon I'm gunna have the money to be able to fund some studio monitors. I don't really know a thing about monitors, so any help will be greatly appreciated. First of all, the budget. I'm setting myself a budget of around £600 for a pair. I think thats pretty reasonable, obviously I could spend more, but my "studio" is my room, so I could spend thousands and the monitors wouldn't sound very good
Secondly, they can't be too big. My room isn't massive, and I mentioned to my tutor about getting the KRK RP8's, and he said that the 8's may be a bit too big for my room, so the 5's might be more suited.
Thirdly, I want them to be active. I don't want to spend money on an amp.
Fourthly, I don't want a flat line response. I going to need speakers with a bit of bass to them.
I'm just looking for a list of what you guys recommend, then I'm going to go to Digital Village and listen to music through them Obviously, if I like a pair, I will buy them.
I'm asking you guys because as I said, I know fuck all about monitors. I'm very aware there is a lot of people here who are amazing with this stuff.
So yeh, so far, I'm going to look at the KRK RP8's and the RP5's.
Go go go:) xx
I'm no audiophile, but wouldn't getting non-active (passive?) monitors that are a little cheaper, and an amp be a better way to go?

I have a pair of passive speakers at the moment, but 1)I'm not sure if they;re any good, 2) not sure how the fuck to set them up even if i had an amp, and 3) How big is an amp? Becuase I don't have much room. EDIT - and 4) their fucking huge, so would have to buy another pair anyway ><

Plus, the active speakers I have heard in the college studios and when we went to a recording studio (Miloko in Hoxton Square for anyone who is interested), generally sounded better than the passive speakers that were there too.

Last edited by JakAttaK (2010-01-13 17:12:23)

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2010-01-13 17:11:59

Morpheus: This shit still going?; +508|6258|The Mitten

CammRobb wrote:
JakAttaK wrote:
Alright guys, so pretty soon I'm gunna have the money to be able to fund some studio monitors. I don't really know a thing about monitors, so any help will be greatly appreciated. First of all, the budget. I'm setting myself a budget of around £600 for a pair. I think thats pretty reasonable, obviously I could spend more, but my "studio" is my room, so I could spend thousands and the monitors wouldn't sound very good
Secondly, they can't be too big. My room isn't massive, and I mentioned to my tutor about getting the KRK RP8's, and he said that the 8's may be a bit too big for my room, so the 5's might be more suited.
Thirdly, I want them to be active. I don't want to spend money on an amp.
Fourthly, I don't want a flat line response. I going to need speakers with a bit of bass to them.
I'm just looking for a list of what you guys recommend, then I'm going to go to Digital Village and listen to music through them Obviously, if I like a pair, I will buy them.
I'm asking you guys because as I said, I know fuck all about monitors. I'm very aware there is a lot of people here who are amazing with this stuff.
So yeh, so far, I'm going to look at the KRK RP8's and the RP5's.
Go go go:) xx
I'm no audiophile, but wouldn't getting non-active (passive?) monitors that are a little cheaper, and an amp be a better way to go?

well......
Short answer: no
long answer: yes.

EE (hats

2010-01-13 17:12:33

CammRobb: Banned; +1,510|6389|Carnoustie MASSIF

Morpheus wrote:
CammRobb wrote:
JakAttaK wrote:
Alright guys, so pretty soon I'm gunna have the money to be able to fund some studio monitors. I don't really know a thing about monitors, so any help will be greatly appreciated. First of all, the budget. I'm setting myself a budget of around £600 for a pair. I think thats pretty reasonable, obviously I could spend more, but my "studio" is my room, so I could spend thousands and the monitors wouldn't sound very good
Secondly, they can't be too big. My room isn't massive, and I mentioned to my tutor about getting the KRK RP8's, and he said that the 8's may be a bit too big for my room, so the 5's might be more suited.
Thirdly, I want them to be active. I don't want to spend money on an amp.
Fourthly, I don't want a flat line response. I going to need speakers with a bit of bass to them.
I'm just looking for a list of what you guys recommend, then I'm going to go to Digital Village and listen to music through them Obviously, if I like a pair, I will buy them.
I'm asking you guys because as I said, I know fuck all about monitors. I'm very aware there is a lot of people here who are amazing with this stuff.
So yeh, so far, I'm going to look at the KRK RP8's and the RP5's.
Go go go:) xx
I'm no audiophile, but wouldn't getting non-active (passive?) monitors that are a little cheaper, and an amp be a better way to go?
well......
Short answer: no
long answer: yes.

So yes?

2010-01-13 17:14:27

JakAttaK: csanva<3; +492|6585|England

I'm not going to cross passive monitors off the list, I'd just rather them be active. Purely on the basis the monitors other people at college have recommended have all been active.

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2010-01-13 17:15:45

Morpheus: This shit still going?; +508|6258|The Mitten

CammRobb wrote:
Morpheus wrote:
CammRobb wrote:

I'm no audiophile, but wouldn't getting non-active (passive?) monitors that are a little cheaper, and an amp be a better way to go?
well......
Short answer: no
long answer: yes.
So yes?

If you get a quality amplifier, and quality speakers. The problem is it costs more, and you have to be very attentive in matching the power specs - too much power to the speakers, they'll blow apart, not enough, and it sounds like crap and you run the risk of blowing up your amp.
Not to mention the extra wiring you have to do...

Really, for what it's worth, especially home studios, powered (active) are generally the better choice - simple to plug in, no need to worry about a power mismatch...

EE (hats

2010-01-13 17:16:32

CammRobb: Banned; +1,510|6389|Carnoustie MASSIF

Morpheus wrote:
CammRobb wrote:
Morpheus wrote:

well......
Short answer: no
long answer: yes.
So yes?
If you get a quality amplifier, and quality speakers. The problem is it costs more, and you have to be very attentive in matching the power specs - too much power to the speakers, they'll blow apart, not enough, and it sounds like crap and you run the risk of blowing up your amp.
Not to mention the extra wiring you have to do...

Really, for what it's worth, especially home studios, powered (active) are generally the better choice - simple to plug in, no need to worry about a power mismatch...

Fair enough then, thanks

2010-01-13 17:17:44

JakAttaK: csanva<3; +492|6585|England

Oh ta for explaining that Morpheus. I'd have completely fucked up the matching of the specs.

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2010-01-13 17:18:50

CammRobb: Banned; +1,510|6389|Carnoustie MASSIF

JakAttaK wrote:
Oh ta for explaining that Morpheus. I'd have completely fucked up the matching of the specs.

Oh don't thank me, I only made him explain it and all

2010-01-13 17:19:47

JakAttaK: csanva<3; +492|6585|England

CammRobb wrote:
JakAttaK wrote:
Oh ta for explaining that Morpheus. I'd have completely fucked up the matching of the specs.
Oh don't thank me, I only made him explain it and all

Ta also for being so thoughtful

EDIT- Srs, now, I need/want suggestions!

Last edited by JakAttaK (2010-01-13 17:20:04)

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2010-01-13 17:22:01

CammRobb: Banned; +1,510|6389|Carnoustie MASSIF

JakAttaK wrote:
CammRobb wrote:
JakAttaK wrote:
Oh ta for explaining that Morpheus. I'd have completely fucked up the matching of the specs.
Oh don't thank me, I only made him explain it and all
Ta also for being so thoughtful

EDIT- Srs, now, I need/want suggestions!

Right, okay, I'll go and do a bit of googling.

What wattage are you looking at?

Last edited by CammRobb (2010-01-13 17:24:17)

2010-01-13 17:26:18

Morpheus: This shit still going?; +508|6258|The Mitten

JakAttaK wrote:
CammRobb wrote:
JakAttaK wrote:
Oh ta for explaining that Morpheus. I'd have completely fucked up the matching of the specs.
Oh don't thank me, I only made him explain it and all
Ta also for being so thoughtful

EDIT- Srs, now, I need/want suggestions!

ok, well, I have no experience with those KRKs, but others here do. I personally like the Focal Be6 Twins, but they're out of your (and my ) price range...
These caught my eye, and look interesting. 60Hz (the low frequency spec'd to them) is a little on the high side of the low, but will still have a nice punch. Also, based on what you said about a 'flat' curve (or the lack thereof) look for models that advertise 'room correction' or similar.

edit: oh, and FYI, high wattage =/= louder or better sound

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EE (hats

2010-01-13 20:32:10

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,815|6365|eXtreme to the maX

Fourthly, I don't want a flat line response. I going to need speakers with a bit of bass to them.

Then you don't want studio monitors, by definition they have a flat response.

Fuck Israel

2010-01-13 20:40:18

Freezer7Pro: I don't come here a lot anymore.; +1,447|6456|Winland

Morpheus wrote:
CammRobb wrote:
Morpheus wrote:
well......
Short answer: no
long answer: yes.
So yes?
If you get a quality amplifier, and quality speakers. The problem is it costs more, and you have to be very attentive in matching the power specs - too much power to the speakers, they'll blow apart, not enough, and it sounds like crap and you run the risk of blowing up your amp.

Actually, it's far easier to blow your speakers with an under-powered amplifier. Clipping does a lot of funky stuff that your speakers don't like one bit. The risk of blowing your amp unless you drive 4-Ohm speakers with an undercooled amp is minuscule. If you have more power than your speakers can handle, you'll hear it if you crank it too loud.

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The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP

2010-01-13 20:58:07

Morpheus: This shit still going?; +508|6258|The Mitten

Freezer7Pro wrote:
Morpheus wrote:
CammRobb wrote:

So yes?
If you get a quality amplifier, and quality speakers. The problem is it costs more, and you have to be very attentive in matching the power specs - too much power to the speakers, they'll blow apart, not enough, and it sounds like crap and you run the risk of blowing up your amp.
Actually, it's far easier to blow your speakers with an under-powered amplifier. Clipping does a lot of funky stuff that your speakers don't like one bit. The risk of blowing your amp unless you drive 4-Ohm speakers with an undercooled amp is minuscule. If you have more power than your speakers can handle, you'll hear it if you crank it too loud.

Oh, right. I was thinking of our mains here, a pair of Apogee AE4's... they run at like, 3 ohm a pair, or something.... they killed like 3 or 4 amps here before someone figured that out

EE (hats

2010-01-13 23:56:34

.Sup: be nice; +2,646|6712|The Twilight Zone

Rp8 if you're not getting a sub, RP5/6 if you're getting a sub with them. What D/A will you use them with?

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2010-01-14 01:15:29

JakAttaK: csanva<3; +492|6585|England

.Sup wrote:
Rp8 if you're not getting a sub, RP5/6 if you're getting a sub with them. What D/A will you use them with?

At the risk of sounding like a complete knob, what is a D/A .Sup?

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2010-01-14 01:24:53

.Sup: be nice; +2,646|6712|The Twilight Zone

JakAttaK wrote:
.Sup wrote:
Rp8 if you're not getting a sub, RP5/6 if you're getting a sub with them. What D/A will you use them with?
At the risk of sounding like a complete knob, what is a D/A .Sup?

digital to analog converter

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital-to … _converter

2010-01-14 01:34:43

JakAttaK: csanva<3; +492|6585|England

Still don't fully understand, but I think you mean this:

https://www.shiraimusic.com/japan/modules/zox/images/mbox2mini.jpg

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2010-01-14 03:33:36

Zimmer: Un Moderador; +1,688|7015|Scotland

What dilbert said is correct. If you want bass and no flat line, then you're looking at the wrong kind of speaker. If you want bass you definitely don't want the Kris as they arent the best at dealing with base. As I haven't looked at bassy monitors I can't really recommend anything. I'd say you look at passive speakers and an amp if you're willing to spend 600. The Wharfedale diamond 10.2s are designed to have more bass than your usual speaker. I'd grab them and a Cambridge audio amp.

2010-01-14 04:11:07

Jean_Peste_tu?: Yes I Do; +44|6879|Auteuil, Laval

What? Studio monitors self amplified? Studio monitors aren't usually reference speakers? They are a class apart, no?

Take the time to make a good choice dude. I'm not too sure what to recommend you nowadays, it does make too long I didn't kept myself in the know about audio. The only thing I can say is that there are small amplifiers and bookshelf speakers that are amazing. The only advice I'm giving to you and I'm repeating myself on this but you already said it; go out and listen different sets of speakers and amplifiers. Read reviews from audio sites, magazine or others then go out to listen.

For bass frequencies, I had a friend that had some Pierre-Étienne Léon speakers with a Quad amp, it was simply amazing. Thought they were big, don't know if that brand is making bookshelf ones.

Have fun!

2010-01-14 12:31:33

JakAttaK: csanva<3; +492|6585|England

Cheers for the input guys. I didn't just mean I wanted it to have bass, obviously a bit of bottom end is good, I just didn't want a flat line. Which I also understand isn't a "proper" mixing monitor, but I'm just going off of the monitors I have seen in studios I've been to. None of them have been flatline.
I'm gonna look at all these speakers that have been mention too Start my list today

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2010-01-14 12:39:39

.Sup: be nice; +2,646|6712|The Twilight Zone

If you are going to use for making songs then studio monitors are a must.

2010-01-14 13:35:00

JakAttaK: csanva<3; +492|6585|England

.Sup wrote:
If you are going to use for making songs then studio monitors are a must.

Ja ja, but barely anyone uses flat line monitors. Because you can't judge bass properly and shit. Everyone I know uses KRK's or Mackies and stuff.

The ones in our room at college are Mackie HR824s, and Yamaha NS10s. The Mackies have a tiny boost in the sub basses and the extreme highs, where as the NS10's have a boost between 1 and 5 kHz. NS10's are probably the most widely used speakers in music studios and they aren't flat line. So ja

Also, I really like the sound of the Mackie's we use. Trouble is they're too big, and they don't make them anymore either, so was wondering if anyone knew if they made a similar smaller model? xx

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