Winston_Churchill
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Uzique wrote:

you can see the point in a gaming mouse made by logitech. whether or not you have a use for one in your own pc-gaming is your consumer question. people think that because they cannot afford the cost of an apple product, or cannot find a personal use for it in their own lifestyle/home, that it has no function or purpose as a product. that's wrong. people don't call the logitech G5 mouse a retarded invention because they don't want to fork out $75 for 2000DPi instead of a standard 800DPi. but they say the iPad is a /fail announcement because they won't use a 10-inch screen, or whatever. dumb anti-apple bandwagon shit.
I can see where you're coming from, but comparing to a mouse isnt the greatest comparison. No matter what you need a mouse, you're just paying for one with more features.

I think many people call the iPad a fail because everyone thought it would be something totally different than what it was.  Its yet to see whether or not thats a good or bad thing.  Oh, and they chose a terrible name for it.
Benzin
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Well that's the thing: Apple didn't do anything. They never answered any rumors at all until Jobs specifically mentioned a tablet a week before the keynote saying it would be his most important invention ever (I personally consider the iPod more important, but whatever). The various blogging sites were just posting every tidbit of information they could glean about the thing and just led to this wild speculation that didn't quite pan out. That's the problem with hype and the real world - the real world rarely ever lives up to the hype. Apple, on the other hand, has done a very good job of living up to the hype in many ways (not in all and not always, but they've done good in the marketing segment, no one can deny that; I think the only company that has a better marketing department is Red Bull).

I really don't see this device doing very well at all in the design department - I mean, you only have one adapter connector, so you're going to need a hub of some kind if you want to start stringing accessories onto it. Then Apple accessories are always more expensive than they really should be... Certainly it would be good if you could connect the iPad up to your PC wirelessly without the use of a router (which isn't hard considering every Apple product has Bluetooth and they could easily use the wifi cards in all of it).

The iPad is going to be a very niche product like all tablets have been. When was the last time you saw a mainstream tablet device? Not a laptop that could fold the screen and become a tablet, but a device with no physical keyboard at all and limited I/O functions. You haven't and we probably never will. Just like MIDs and UMPCs - they're all niche devices that serve their niche market very well.
11 Bravo
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tl;dr

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Bertster7
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Winston_Churchill wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Bevo wrote:


Nerp, I didn't have any expectations. I thought "interesting" but had no real desire or nagging to see how cool the new apple shit is.

I mean I have an iPhone and I love the little thing to death, but I would never be caught dead with a macbook pro.
Browsing on 3.5 and browsing on 10 is a totally different experience to.
Yes, but who has 10" pockets?  You'd have to carry a knapsack/bag around 24/7 in the winter
Actually, 3 of my 4 coats have pockets this will fit in. It can't be that uncommon.

CapnNismo wrote:

Certainly it would be good if you could connect the iPad up to your PC wirelessly without the use of a router
You can. Just like with the iPhone. I do it on a regular basis.
DesertFox-
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Why didn't they just make a small laptop? Surely if you fold it, it'd still be able to be the same size as the tablet.
Winston_Churchill
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Bertster7 wrote:

Winston_Churchill wrote:

Kmarion wrote:


Browsing on 3.5 and browsing on 10 is a totally different experience to.
Yes, but who has 10" pockets?  You'd have to carry a knapsack/bag around 24/7 in the winter
Actually, 3 of my 4 coats have pockets this will fit in. It can't be that uncommon.
Damned big jacket then   Not a chance it would fit in either of my jackets, and they arent exactly small

Spoiler (highlight to read):
hooray for -30C weather \o/
PrivateVendetta
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Bertster7
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Winston_Churchill wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

Winston_Churchill wrote:


Yes, but who has 10" pockets?  You'd have to carry a knapsack/bag around 24/7 in the winter
Actually, 3 of my 4 coats have pockets this will fit in. It can't be that uncommon.
Damned big jacket then   Not a chance it would fit in either of my jackets, and they arent exactly small

Spoiler (highlight to read):
hooray for -30C weather \o/
Not really.

And one of them is suitable for -30C weather. It's what I wear for skiing. One of them is just a zip up fleece - still has a big enough pocket for it easily.
Microwave
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Uzique. I'm hardly anti-apple, I have an ipod myself and I will be getting a macbook in the next year. I use macs daily at university...

I mearly posted a collection of pictures - someone may find one of them funny, someone else may laugh at another.


Nowhere in my post did I present my views on Apple or the ipad.
bennisboy
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Uzique is getting reaged in this thread. It's a lame product. Use a laptop for everything it can do and more...
Poseidon
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Winston_Churchill
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Home buttons on both sides?
Benzin
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Berster, via the wifi radio and not via Bluetooth? I know you can do it via Bluetooth, but I can't remember for sure if that works via wifi (almost positive it does, but I don't want to put my foot in my mouth).

I read an editorial today that says that the developers and their applications will ultimately be what makes or breaks the iPad. I still don't get why Apple didn't make a netbook sized Macbook, though. They still could have loaded a modified version of iPhone OS onto it and used a non-Intel processor. Touchscreen wouldn't have been a biggy either. Kojinsa (I know I am spelling that name wrong) made a netbook that has a screen that extends - it has a normal sized screen and then you can slide it open and it automatically renders itself into a huge widescreen. That's awesome!

Fujitsu also has a little 5" netbook that is a convertible and runs Vista with no issues and has GREAT battery life. Build that just bigger and run whatever OS and hardware you want on it. I forget the name of the Fujitsu, but it was hella expensive. I can just remember JKKMobile losing his shit over it because it was so awesome (and it was). The screen resolution was badass for such a tiny device and it was lightning quick.

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Bertster7
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CapnNismo wrote:

Berster, via the wifi radio and not via Bluetooth? I know you can do it via Bluetooth, but I can't remember for sure if that works via wifi (almost positive it does, but I don't want to put my foot in my mouth).
I connect my iPhone directly to my Mac Mini not using a router. Just like any other wifi connection. I don't know why you would think that wouldn't work.

I do it because I don't get a proper wifi signal from my router in my room and so have a Mac Mini on top of my main PC running over an ethernet bridge and sharing its internet connection over wifi.

I don't see why you would've thought that wouldn't work. It's a wifi enabled device and the Mac is another wifi enabled device. Just like any two wifi devices, you can connect them.

Then there is an app I use which allows me to see the hard drive of the iPhone on the network and drag and drop files to it.
.Sup
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This might come in handy when I'm on crapper
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Benzin
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Like I said, I figured it would work, but I wasn't entirely sure.
henno13
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Facebook Group wrote:

The iPad, Aint that just the Belfast iPod?
Kmar
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CapnNismo wrote:

Kmarion, the reason it is being compared to a netbook is because Jobs himself compared it to a netbook, saying it does everything better than a netbook (which is kinda hard to prove with a product not even on the market, yet).

Bevo is right - the stock market's response to the Apple iPad says it all. Since the rumors started, the price of Apple stock has been climbing despite the overall falling of the stock market as a whole. What happens when the iPad is released? The price plateaus and then starts to fall back down. If you'd bought stock in Apple at the beginning of summer, you would have doubled your investment by now.
He said they aren't better than anything, that they are just cheap laptops. You must have missed the fact that the whole stock market went in the shitter. I think everyone is waiting to find out more before investing. Anyone with a basic understanding of the current market conditions could tell you that this is a very conservative market. Especially when it comes to luxuries like iPads.

Bevo wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

An app would be able to import, resize it to fit, and look nicely on a 10 inch device in good quality (as a small file). When you stop thinking of it as a note/netbook then you will start seeing a bit more possibilities.

Edit: and probably geotag it as well.
Why would you want to resize to fit to screen? Compromising picture quality because the lack of storage isnt very smart.
Quality would not be compromised by making the size appropriate for a 10 inch screen. 4k+ pixels on a screen that size is pointless. This isn't a permanent storage device. You would be dumping pictures out in the field for quick customer review. 64 gigs is plenty of space for any camera. Even if you didn't reduce the size.

Winston_Churchill wrote:

Yes, but who has 10" pockets?  You'd have to carry a knapsack/bag around 24/7 in the winter

Actually, what would be really interesting would be if they could find a way to make it fold in half without sacrificing any of its previous qualities.  It might fit into a large pocket then.

I still stand by that whomever makes my dream tablet (300GB+ HDD, can play HD movies, OLED screen) with a good interface and durability I will buy it.  Even if its Apple, HP, Dell, Microsoft... anyone.  They just have to make it first
I don't know why you think this is a pocket device. It has a case like a book cover. So you carry it around like people carry around their kindles/books. If I wanted something with a hinge, or wasn't touchscreen, didn't have an app store, and wasn't gis enabled then yea.. I would just use my current netbook. Anything oled right now on a comparable screen size is going to be very expensive. .. but beautiful .
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Benzin
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If you want an iPad similar experience with multitasking on a netbook, look no further than Jolicloud and/or Google Chrome OS. Both are far superior to the iPhone OS even in their beta stages. Jolicloud is my personal preference between the two simply because of the fact that you have more access to your hardware whereas with Google Chrome OS, you don't have much of any because everything you do is cloud-based whereas Jolicloud is kinda half-in, half-out.

You missed my point again, though, Kmar. Steve Jobs said, and I quote, "Netbooks don't do anything better." Then he introduces the iPad right after that statement. Now if you want to analyze his speech and the past year and a half of rumors of an Apple netbook and the same rumors turning into a tablet over the last 4 months, I would be willing to bet that this is Jobs' answer to the netbook without it being a netbook.

Despite the current state of affairs, Apple stock has still been on the rise with the release of the iPhone 3GS and other devices. I've read analyses saying that Apple has been defying the current market climate (as did Microsoft with the release of Windows 7) and was able to continue to increase profits across the board. Now, when I hear something like this and I see a stock more than double over the course of 6-8 months and then all of this market reaction and hype suddenly dies when the product that has caused the most growth in recent months, that says something. Certainly the market is very conservative and is not all up on luxury at the moment (just went to the Vienna Auto Show and that was an embarrassment in comparison to pre-credit crunch shows), but when you have a brand that does sell products at premium prices defying trends and growing and turning larger profits, that says something (kinda just repeated what was above, but whatever).

And as I recall, the keyboard that attaches to the iPad with the dock connector isn't even wireless and costs $70... come on... That's what I love about Apple, though. They're all about trying to buck proprietary technology (Flash being one of them), yet they create their own proprietary crap more than any other hardware manufacturer that I can think of. It's ludicrous. It makes good business sense, don't get me wrong, but it just stinks of hypocrisy. Steve Jobs is a very smart guy, perhaps one of the smartest in the IT world, but it's hard to take things he says seriously sometimes.

I'm still convinced the iPad will remain a niche device. Though who knows, maybe once it comes out in Q2 then we might start seeing them everywhere. If so, kudos to Jobs and Apple for doing the near impossible. Just proves that they've got a banging marketing department (which they do) and a great group of app developers (that are forced to shell out $99, iirc, annually to use their SDK).
Kmar
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CapnNismo wrote:

If you want an iPad similar experience with multitasking on a netbook, look no further than Jolicloud and/or Google Chrome OS. Both are far superior to the iPhone OS even in their beta stages. Jolicloud is my personal preference between the two simply because of the fact that you have more access to your hardware whereas with Google Chrome OS, you don't have much of any because everything you do is cloud-based whereas Jolicloud is kinda half-in, half-out.

You missed my point again, though, Kmar. Steve Jobs said, and I quote, "Netbooks don't do anything better." Then he introduces the iPad right after that statement. Now if you want to analyze his speech and the past year and a half of rumors of an Apple netbook and the same rumors turning into a tablet over the last 4 months, I would be willing to bet that this is Jobs' answer to the netbook without it being a netbook.

Despite the current state of affairs, Apple stock has still been on the rise with the release of the iPhone 3GS and other devices. I've read analyses saying that Apple has been defying the current market climate (as did Microsoft with the release of Windows 7) and was able to continue to increase profits across the board. Now, when I hear something like this and I see a stock more than double over the course of 6-8 months and then all of this market reaction and hype suddenly dies when the product that has caused the most growth in recent months, that says something. Certainly the market is very conservative and is not all up on luxury at the moment (just went to the Vienna Auto Show and that was an embarrassment in comparison to pre-credit crunch shows), but when you have a brand that does sell products at premium prices defying trends and growing and turning larger profits, that says something (kinda just repeated what was above, but whatever).

And as I recall, the keyboard that attaches to the iPad with the dock connector isn't even wireless and costs $70... come on... That's what I love about Apple, though. They're all about trying to buck proprietary technology (Flash being one of them), yet they create their own proprietary crap more than any other hardware manufacturer that I can think of. It's ludicrous. It makes good business sense, don't get me wrong, but it just stinks of hypocrisy. Steve Jobs is a very smart guy, perhaps one of the smartest in the IT world, but it's hard to take things he says seriously sometimes.

I'm still convinced the iPad will remain a niche device. Though who knows, maybe once it comes out in Q2 then we might start seeing them everywhere. If so, kudos to Jobs and Apple for doing the near impossible. Just proves that they've got a banging marketing department (which they do) and a great group of app developers (that are forced to shell out $99, iirc, annually to use their SDK).
As Bert and I both pointed out you can multitask. Jolicloud has a book store? Your netbook has gps like features? It's touchscreen? At least compare it to a released tablet with similar or more features. This isn't a production device, it is a consumption device. Jobs realizing that the short sighted would instantly try to compare it to a device that really doesn't have all of the same features and services made that statement. A netbook is just a smaller, cheaper laptop.

People were waiting to cash in their apple stock. Apple has been decling like nearly every other tech industry has been since the end of the holiday season. The last two weeks have been absolutely brutal. It would have been stupid to sell Apple stock when the rest of the market declined. As soon as the iPad price was announced @ around 2pm the stock SPIKED. Then the sell off began. Look what amazon (Kindle) stock did at the same time. Quick profits are the only profits being made right now. It's easy to think.. "O' investors didn't like it (in week one) so it's not going to sell" if you just think one dimensional. Look at the last two weeks across the board. Markets leading up to and at the holiday season compared to after the holiday season are VERY different. Anyone who follows stocks consistently knows this.

Yes Apple = proprietary. When it stops working for them then yea.. they might change. Jobs is all about a closed environment.

I'm not saying that this isn't a niche device.. I'm saying it's still being developed and the actual usability of the device has yet to be realized. Apple sells when people have their products in their hands. There is the possibility of a lot of people being"just curios" about the device and then end up walking out of the store with the iPad. Apple does this better in their stores than any other company I've seen. Not because they need the product, but because they want it. I don't think that this device is something that many people would necessarily in this forum would want. Some people want simplicity. For those people multitasking is a moot point.
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max
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I can sorta see where apple is coming from. They already have have small and light 13'' laptops (air, macbook and MBP). You can't really shrink laptops below 12'' or so and still have a good production machine. The keyboard is just too small.

If Apple is helping the transition to HTML5 over flash, then all the better

Still, I have no use for an iPad. IMO it's so big that you need a bag for it anyhow. My 7'' Archos is pretty much the limit of what you can carry around with you in your pocket. When you have to carry a bag, you might as well put a 12''+ machine into it. Then you don't have to deal with the iPad limitations and can do whatever you want.
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Kmar
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I have no need for it. Still, if a pre-holiday price drop comes around I could see getting one. That's just the kinda guy I am. Especially if I can get 6 hours battery life out of it. If not just for it being a reading/browsing device.. grab and go. I paid $399 for the first kindle. I dunno. I'll know when I play with it for awhile.

It's not a bag you would take..
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Looks like my kindle cover.
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Benzin
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Looking at the 3 month chart on APPL on Google Finance, Apple's stock did nothing but climb (disregarding the natural fluctuations of such an unstable market at the moment) during the holiday season since December 17th.

Jolicloud doesn't have a book store, but there are plenty of eBook programs out there and plenty of vendors of eBooks. Load Wine up out of their application section and you're good to go. Hell, there may very well be an eBook reader program already there that I have yet to see - they add applications to it almost weekly which isn't bad considering it's still an Alpha OS. And I've seen a number of netbooks that also have a built in GPS unit and there are USB attachments that you can buy to give it to you if you don't have it. There are also many touchscreen netbooks on the market - ASUS has a couple, as do HP and Dell. Fujitsu has a couple, too. That pretty well rounds out some of the biggest manufacturers.

max, I don't think we can really count the Macbook Air in this category simply based on it's price... it's a lot more expensive than any netbook or the iPad.
max
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Too big to just put in your pants pocket. You won't be wearing a big winter jacket most of the time. Carrying stuff in your hand sucks. Bag is the logical choice

Apple users don't really care about price. Once you have a decent job the ~$2k the MB Air costs isn't that bad

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Benzin
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max wrote:

Too big to just put in your pants pocket. You won't be wearing a big winter jacket most of the time. Carrying stuff in your hand sucks. Bag is the logical choice.
Ya, even just a backpack. I could certainly carry my EEE in my hand all the time, it doesn't weigh very much at all. I throw it in my backpack, though, cuz it's a helluva lot more convenient.

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