Trooper_Collider
Member
+25|7173
This is my interpretation for the ROE:

1.- Engineers repairing BH: yes, they should be able to do it IF they are under enemy fire, or damaged
     is a definite and direct consequence of enemy fire.
2.- C4 chunking from BH with the aid of a Support man, definitely constitutes a form of Stats Padding.
     The mission of the Spec Ops personnel is certainly not to throw explosives from a Helicopter.
3.- An attack to an uncappable flag can be done by Spec Ops personnel along with one Support man, IF,
     and only IF the mission is to destroy Enemy Commander's assets, and they cannot open fire against
     enemy combatants unless they are fired upon first.
4.- Sustained direct fire upon enemy troops at an uncappable flag and Spotting from an uncappable flag
     indefinitely, can be done ONLY by Scout Snipers personnel.
5.- Transport vehicles must be used for Transport and Support only. Blackhawks are equipped with guns
     in order to provide fire support, and not for Spawn killing purposes. Personnel on board of a BH
     above a CP must deploy immediately in the pursuit of taking that flag. However, Helicopters may be used
     as mobile Spawn Points if a Squad Leader is inside.
6.- Commander flying or in a vehicle instead of commanding, depends and was written from the
     beginning in the BF2 Official Game Guide (the Field Manual, let's call it) under the "Commander
     Tactics/ Chain of Command" Chapter, (and I quote): "While the commander will have to do some fighting
     in the 16-player games, in the larger games, use the commander for orders and support". Meaning, that
     if the map's small (16-players) commander definitely will have to fight AND command.
     If the map's medium (32-player), it's his decision if fighting AND commanding, or only command.
     In the larger maps (64-players) he must  most definitely command only. Therefore, flying an airplane or
     driving a vehicle will depend on the size of the map, commander's criteria and field needs.
7.- Finally, any form of Stats Padding is definitely not acceptable.

What do you think about this men? Tell me if I'm wrong, please.
Semper Fi!
Skruples
Mod Incarnate
+234|7130
Ummm. Why is attacking an uncappable base illegal? Nowhere in the ROE does it say that, except in the privately owned server section, and only if the owner of said private server wants to enforce a no camping rule. It is definitely not a universal rule, or Dice would have just made it impossible for an enemy to enter an uncappable base.

Second, why cant people just fly around in blackhawks all day without jumping out? Theres a reason you can use your weapons when you're sitting in the back, and those guns on the side can be used for much more than just support. This reminds me of some infantile server admins that have enforced rules against camping flags with attack helicopters, saying "land the chopper and cap or ill kick you."  blackhawks do not exist for the sole purpose of capping flags, and in fact many times landing at a flag to drop troops off would result in all kinds of unpleasantness for the crew.

As for throwing explosives out of a blackhawk, theres a fine line here. I've seen people killing 30-40 enemies in a round chucking c4 out of a chopper, which doesnt constitute stat padding for the support guy. Constantly throwing c4 out the window regardless of whether theres enemies nearby is stat padding. Though Dice left the proverbial door open on all of this when they made it possible to use your kit equipment while riding in the back. If they didnt want people repairing the chopper or blowing people up while in flight they wouldnt have made it possible to use stuff back there in the first place.

The bit about commanders seems to be good. Personally I think they should disallow getting in aerial vehicles while youre the commander, or at least disallow them from getting in the pilots seat.
Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|7145
i would say no attacking uncap base is illegal unless all flags are on ur team
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tehmoogles
Don't touch the pom-pom!
+7|7139
I think eveyone's chucked C4 out of the copter at some point or another. I know I have. Also baseraping isn't against EA's rules.

When do these apply from?
DU
Member
+0|7085

Trooper_Collider wrote:

This is my interpretation for the ROE:

1.- Engineers repairing BH: yes, they should be able to do it IF they are under enemy fire, or damaged
     is a definite and direct consequence of enemy fire.
2.- C4 chunking from BH with the aid of a Support man, definitely constitutes a form of Stats Padding.
     The mission of the Spec Ops personnel is certainly not to throw explosives from a Helicopter.
3.- An attack to an uncappable flag can be done by Spec Ops personnel along with one Support man, IF,
     and only IF the mission is to destroy Enemy Commander's assets, and they cannot open fire against
     enemy combatants unless they are fired upon first.
4.- Sustained direct fire upon enemy troops at an uncappable flag and Spotting from an uncappable flag
     indefinitely, can be done ONLY by Scout Snipers personnel.
5.- Transport vehicles must be used for Transport and Support only. Blackhawks are equipped with guns
     in order to provide fire support, and not for Spawn killing purposes. Personnel on board of a BH
     above a CP must deploy immediately in the pursuit of taking that flag. However, Helicopters may be used
     as mobile Spawn Points if a Squad Leader is inside.
6.- Commander flying or in a vehicle instead of commanding, depends and was written from the
     beginning in the BF2 Official Game Guide (the Field Manual, let's call it) under the "Commander
     Tactics/ Chain of Command" Chapter, (and I quote): "While the commander will have to do some fighting
     in the 16-player games, in the larger games, use the commander for orders and support". Meaning, that
     if the map's small (16-players) commander definitely will have to fight AND command.
     If the map's medium (32-player), it's his decision if fighting AND commanding, or only command.
     In the larger maps (64-players) he must  most definitely command only. Therefore, flying an airplane or
     driving a vehicle will depend on the size of the map, commander's criteria and field needs.
7.- Finally, any form of Stats Padding is definitely not acceptable.

What do you think about this men? Tell me if I'm wrong, please.
Semper Fi!
I love to play against people with your mentality, they are easier to kill and whine like little bitches after and that increases the enjoyment.
VeNg3nCe^
¦Tactics Øver Principles¦
+314|7135|Antarctica
2.- C4 chunking from BH with the aid of a Support man, definitely constitutes a form of Stats Padding.
     The mission of the Spec Ops personnel is certainly not to throw explosives from a Helicopter.
L-O-L


3.- An attack to an uncappable flag can be done by Spec Ops personnel along with one Support man, IF,
     and only IF the mission is to destroy Enemy Commander's assets, and they cannot open fire against
     enemy combatants unless they are fired upon first.
4.- Sustained direct fire upon enemy troops at an uncappable flag and Spotting from an uncappable flag
     indefinitely, can be done ONLY by Scout Snipers personnel.
not another 'no baserape' whiner?


5.- Transport vehicles must be used for Transport and Support only. Blackhawks are equipped with guns
     in order to provide fire support, and not for Spawn killing purposes. Personnel on board of a BH
     above a CP must deploy immediately in the pursuit of taking that flag. However, Helicopters may be used
     as mobile Spawn Points if a Squad Leader is inside.
So if I don't bail at a flag im a stat paddder? again I say LOL


sorry if that sounded kinda harsh, you just made my night thought, ty

Last edited by VeNg3nCe^ (2006-02-12 23:42:46)

duffry
Moderator Emeritus
+148|7268|Cheshire, UK

VeNg3nCe^ wrote:

3.- An attack to an uncappable flag can be done by Spec Ops personnel along with one Support man, IF,
     and only IF the mission is to destroy Enemy Commander's assets, and they cannot open fire against
     enemy combatants unless they are fired upon first.
4.- Sustained direct fire upon enemy troops at an uncappable flag and Spotting from an uncappable flag
     indefinitely, can be done ONLY by Scout Snipers personnel.
not another 'no baserape' whiner?
The ROI is clear in it's stance that there is no such thing as a no basecamp rule, it also supports servers whose owners decide to enforce such rules within limited bounds.

BASERAPE IS A LOCAL ISSUE ONLY.

This is the same conclusion reached here, and this story has ended*.

*kinda

Last edited by duffry (2006-02-13 00:20:45)

Torin
Member
+52|7121
It's amazing how many people missed the part of the ROE stating that certain rules are ALLOWED to be enforced on private servers. All those rules about base camping, jihad jeeps, etc. are EXAMPLES of rules that are ALLOWED to be enforced on PRIVATE servers.

Jesus, does no one read anymore, or is everyone just too stupid to realize?
kilroy0097
Kilroy Is Here!
+81|7273|Bryan/College Station, TX

Skruples wrote:

Second, why cant people just fly around in blackhawks all day without jumping out? Theres a reason you can use your weapons when you're sitting in the back, and those guns on the side can be used for much more than just support. This reminds me of some infantile server admins that have enforced rules against camping flags with attack helicopters, saying "land the chopper and cap or ill kick you."  blackhawks do not exist for the sole purpose of capping flags, and in fact many times landing at a flag to drop troops off would result in all kinds of unpleasantness for the crew.
While I agree that BH don't have to be used for the sole purpose of capping flags I have to also point out that I don't see a BH being used for primary infantry support at all in combat. I see it being used for fast delivering of infantry to a forward location and the gunners are not part of the infantry cew being dropped. They are part of the chopper crew and they leave with the chopper. So right there we have a difference in how the chopper is used in the game compared to real life. I see the chopper being used for only three good reasons. Fast transport to a forward location or flanking maneuvers. Ground support for the infantry it just dropped off. Mobile Squad Leader spawn point to take locations away from choke points quickly.


As for throwing explosives out of a blackhawk, theres a fine line here. I've seen people killing 30-40 enemies in a round chucking c4 out of a chopper, which doesnt constitute stat padding for the support guy. Constantly throwing c4 out the window regardless of whether theres enemies nearby is stat padding. Though Dice left the proverbial door open on all of this when they made it possible to use your kit equipment while riding in the back. If they didnt want people repairing the chopper or blowing people up while in flight they wouldnt have made it possible to use stuff back there in the first place.
I have to agree with you on this point. Many a time I have had a decent BH crew drop C4 down on armor or APCs coming down roads. Instructed over VOIP to my squad while flying I've done this a few times. Making the BH suddenly a C4 bomber and actually a threat to armored vehicles.
"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis
EsP-Grandpa
Member
+0|7131

Torin wrote:

It's amazing how many people missed the part of the ROE stating that certain rules are ALLOWED to be enforced on private servers. All those rules about base camping, jihad jeeps, etc. are EXAMPLES of rules that are ALLOWED to be enforced on PRIVATE servers.

Jesus, does no one read anymore, or is everyone just too stupid to realize?
Well, Torin, I would say the same of you.  Have you READ the ROE?

Section 1, (the section that is the rules for ALL RANKED SERVERS (EA and Private)), says:

§1.5 Server administrators may not explicitly or implicitly (by actions) enforce restrictions on vehicles or weapons that players can use while on your server

SO, how is it that things that place limits on how a weapon is used are allowed in ANY RANKED server?

How is limiting the use of artillery and airplanes (Artillery fire or bombing runs on main (uncapturable) bases may be prohibited) NOT a “restrictions on vehicles or weapons that players can use while on your server”?

How is Limiting the use of a Blackhawk NOT “restrictions on vehicles or weapons that players can use while on your server”

How is disallowing C4 on Jeeps NOT “restrictions on vehicles or weapons that players can use while on your server”?

It does not make sense.  Did YOU read it?  How do you explain it?

Last edited by EsP-Grandpa (2006-02-13 12:40:54)

IndianScout
Member
+16|7105
one word to the OP... 

Ridlin....

did you miss it today???
ComradeWho
Member
+50|7124|Southern California
your little list was stupid and illogical.
Trooper_Collider
Member
+25|7173
First of all, I appreciate your comments, coz they may be handy to improve my gaming.
Second, DU, I'm not easy to kill nor a whiner.
And third, ComradeWho, I think your little opinion is stupid as well, coming from a guy who didn't became a First Sergeant? I think you're stupid too!!


Semper Fi!!!

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