Kmarion wrote:
Flaming_Maniac wrote:
It's not about the hand. It's about posturing. Showing your hand at best means nothing and at worst gives away state of mind and tells. Showing your hand outside of casual games is a joke.
You are also learning something by how the other person reacts to you showing your hands. You may even be affecting them.. and yes, sometimes it is about the hand.
If the other person isn't a dumbass they don't show anything. If they are a dumbass they are an aforementioned shit player, and nobody cares.
Kmarion wrote:
Flaming_Maniac wrote:
You're not telling me anything I don't know. You are the one who said "Just play smart when the odds are stacked against you." and then later defined playing smart as "playing the odds". You said it yourself, no strategy is complete without considering everything.
"Just [play the odds] when the odds are stacked against you"
"No strategy is complete without considering everything"
This has nothing to do with poker, you logically directly contradicted yourself.
when the odds are stacked against you,
and you have no other relevant information. Once again you leave out major parts of what I just said. Do you not understand that playing style develops as the game progresses?
In the beginning however the best knowledge you have is the odds. Stop pulling what I said apart. You're just going to admit you never said anything to the contrary after I clean up your selective reading.
lol selective reading my ass
Kmarion wrote:
ruisleipa wrote:
I tend to just wait until I've got a killer hand and then start betting properly, at which point everyone else folds I guess thats not bluffing properly...
Depends on how many people are playing. If I'm at a table with 8 people
I'll fold anything that isn't great. Let your opponents take each other out and then your odds of winning are better. You are playing against less hands.
Watch the antes though. Sometimes, after awhile, you are forced to play.
That's your entire post. The whole thing, the part of which I took issue bolded. Now you're trying to retroactively put all these stipulations on it to turn it into something I wouldn't have posted against in the first place.
Besides that you always, always have some information. Ignoramuses that are good at math have no business in poker.
Flaming_Maniac wrote:
Because the absolute first thing you said, what made me post here at all was "If I'm at a table with 8 people I'll fold anything that isn't great."
Kmarion wrote:
Again, I was talking about at the beginning (in case you didn't know that's usually when the table is full). I've explained it
1,
2 times since.
If the table doesn't budge after awhile (and it almost always does) then I might make some loose moves, maybe I don't. I might pick off the first guy if I've got a good hand right away. That doesn't mean I feel compelled to do all the heavy lifting with a bluff. There is no one way to play. I might start predictable, by watching a hand or two.. but I sure as hell don't end up that way.
Yes, I know, you're talking about the beginning, you're wrong. Unless you have some fucked up definition of the "beginning" being ONLY THE FIRST HAND then you're nuts. No strategy is complete without considering everything.
