Well, admittedly mob rule would certainly cater more to your vigilantist view of law.lowing wrote:
^^^^^^^^ a supporter of mob rule.............no thanks turqouise.
Poll
Since joining BF2S's D&ST, have your political views strayed to the...
| Far Left | 9% | 9% - 6 | ||||
| Left | 7% | 7% - 5 | ||||
| Moderate Left | 19% | 19% - 12 | ||||
| Center (more or less) | 26% | 26% - 17 | ||||
| Moderate Right | 9% | 9% - 6 | ||||
| Right | 19% | 19% - 12 | ||||
| Far Right | 7% | 7% - 5 | ||||
| Total: 63 | ||||||
Is he wrong?lowing wrote:
^^^^^^^^ a supporter of mob rule.............no thanks turqouise.Turquoise wrote:
A tyranny of the majority is still preferable to a tyranny of minorities, which is the state of our current system.JohnG@lt wrote:
The tax is ineffective because it fails in it's stated mission. People don't quit cigarettes if they raise the tax by a dollar every few years. If you hit them with a $10 increase in one year, then yes, they might quit but that's not the way they do it because it would kill their tax revenue.
"A perfectly fair and well reasoned tax. Which is, I imagine, supported by the majority of people in the state. That's how democracy works."
Good, you stated it for me. Mob rule. Tyranny of the Majority. This is nothing more than a money grab against a defenseless minority.
Congrats Berster. Without irony, you just pointed out every single flaw in a democratic system. Instead of one Stalin forcing you to conform to his ideal, you get 300 million Stalin's all forcing you to conform.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
Yes. He's entirely caught up on what he perceives to be corporate rule in politics. For some misguided reason he thinks that pure democracy will fix this. The guy with the most money will always have the biggest say and frankly, that's the way it should be because he's got the most to lose with incompetent politicians in office.Spark wrote:
Is he wrong?lowing wrote:
^^^^^^^^ a supporter of mob rule.............no thanks turqouise.Turquoise wrote:
A tyranny of the majority is still preferable to a tyranny of minorities, which is the state of our current system.
Aside from this, it puts us all at the mercy of the wishes and whims of whatever the most agitated among us can convince the rest of us to go along with. Whether it's stringing up black people, gassing Jews, castrating homosexuals etc. Convince the majority to go along with it and it's law. No logic or reason needed, just a stirring emotional speech designed to prey on your irrational fears.
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"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
I get your point but that's not really what I was asking...JohnG@lt wrote:
Yes. He's entirely caught up on what he perceives to be corporate rule in politics. For some misguided reason he thinks that pure democracy will fix this. The guy with the most money will always have the biggest say and frankly, that's the way it should be because he's got the most to lose with incompetent politicians in office.Spark wrote:
Is he wrong?lowing wrote:
^^^^^^^^ a supporter of mob rule.............no thanks turqouise.
Aside from this, it puts us all at the mercy of the wishes and whims of whatever the most agitated among us can convince the rest of us to go along with. Whether it's stringing up black people, gassing Jews, castrating homosexuals etc. Convince the majority to go along with it and it's law. No logic or reason needed, just a stirring emotional speech designed to prey on your irrational fears.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
Yes, because Tyranny of the Minority does not existSpark wrote:
I get your point but that's not really what I was asking...JohnG@lt wrote:
Yes. He's entirely caught up on what he perceives to be corporate rule in politics. For some misguided reason he thinks that pure democracy will fix this. The guy with the most money will always have the biggest say and frankly, that's the way it should be because he's got the most to lose with incompetent politicians in office.Spark wrote:
Is he wrong?
Aside from this, it puts us all at the mercy of the wishes and whims of whatever the most agitated among us can convince the rest of us to go along with. Whether it's stringing up black people, gassing Jews, castrating homosexuals etc. Convince the majority to go along with it and it's law. No logic or reason needed, just a stirring emotional speech designed to prey on your irrational fears.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Not giving a flying fuck if a criminal gets killed while committing a crime is not the same thing as endorsing vigilantism. What I am all for is taking an active roll in your defense or someone elses defense.Turquoise wrote:
Well, admittedly mob rule would certainly cater more to your vigilantist view of law.lowing wrote:
^^^^^^^^ a supporter of mob rule.............no thanks turqouise.
I will let you think about it for awhile and decide if you think mob rule is good.Spark wrote:
Is he wrong?lowing wrote:
^^^^^^^^ a supporter of mob rule.............no thanks turqouise.Turquoise wrote:
A tyranny of the majority is still preferable to a tyranny of minorities, which is the state of our current system.
Wow, I guess I'd better join the mob tonight and make me some big bucks.JohnG@lt wrote:
The guy with the most money will always have the biggest say...
i like money
Tu Stultus Es
Lack of money is the root of all evil.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Wow, I guess I'd better join the mob tonight and make me some big bucks.JohnG@lt wrote:
The guy with the most money will always have the biggest say...
George Bernard Shaw
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Cash Rules Everything Around Me
Clifford Smith
Clifford Smith
Tu Stultus Es
Cash is King
Kevin Kostner
Kevin Kostner
Wait behind the line ..............................................................
Not the worst possible does not imply good.lowing wrote:
I will let you think about it for awhile and decide if you think mob rule is good.Spark wrote:
Is he wrong?lowing wrote:
^^^^^^^^ a supporter of mob rule.............no thanks turqouise.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
like I said, I will let you answer that question for yourself....you decide if mob rule should prevail.Spark wrote:
Not the worst possible does not imply good.lowing wrote:
I will let you think about it for awhile and decide if you think mob rule is good.Spark wrote:
Is he wrong?
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I don't think you understand the question... at all.lowing wrote:
like I said, I will let you answer that question for yourself....you decide if mob rule should prevail.Spark wrote:
Not the worst possible does not imply good.lowing wrote:
I will let you think about it for awhile and decide if you think mob rule is good.
He didn't ask if mob rule was good or bad.
He asked if it was preferable to oligarchy.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
well YOU seem to be positive about it judging by your comments in the toothpaste thread.lowing wrote:
like I said, I will let you answer that question for yourself....you decide if mob rule should prevail.
HE didn't sask a question, you did, and that question was is he wrong ( if mob rule is best). That is a question you need to think about and decide for yourself. Personally I say no, a mob uslually does not tote the banner of reason or law. but your opinion may differ.Spark wrote:
I don't think you understand the question... at all.lowing wrote:
like I said, I will let you answer that question for yourself....you decide if mob rule should prevail.Spark wrote:
Not the worst possible does not imply good.
He didn't ask if mob rule was good or bad.
He asked if it was preferable to oligarchy.
That wasn't a mob...It was a one on one encounter where the criminal lost. Nothing more nothing less.ruisleipa wrote:
well YOU seem to be positive about it judging by your comments in the toothpaste thread.lowing wrote:
like I said, I will let you answer that question for yourself....you decide if mob rule should prevail.
/facepalmlowing wrote:
HE didn't sask a question, you did, and that question was is he wrong ( if mob rule is best). That is a question you need to think about and decide for yourself. Personally I say no, a mob uslually does not tote the banner of reason or law. but your opinion may differ.Spark wrote:
I don't think you understand the question... at all.lowing wrote:
like I said, I will let you answer that question for yourself....you decide if mob rule should prevail.
He didn't ask if mob rule was good or bad.
He asked if it was preferable to oligarchy.
Now tell me where in that quote he suggested that mob rule was positive.A tyranny of the majority is still preferable to a tyranny of minorities, which is the state of our current system.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
Tell me where I said I thought HE thought a mob rule is positive?Spark wrote:
/facepalmlowing wrote:
HE didn't sask a question, you did, and that question was is he wrong ( if mob rule is best). That is a question you need to think about and decide for yourself. Personally I say no, a mob usually does not tote the banner of reason or law. but your opinion may differ.Spark wrote:
I don't think you understand the question... at all.
He didn't ask if mob rule was good or bad.
He asked if it was preferable to oligarchy.Now tell me where in that quote he suggested that mob rule was positive.A tyranny of the majority is still preferable to a tyranny of minorities, which is the state of our current system.
I said he is a mob rule supporter, IE given the 2 choices, he would prefer mob rule over our current system, which is a system of law, not a system of tyranny by minorities.
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we never gamed together.ATG wrote:
You left out some key parts of that post sir.Kmarion wrote:
This all seems very familiar.
http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=68717
Or..yerded wrote:
Liberals are the guys who are brushing up on their Arabic so that when Sharia law is thrust upon us they can be the first to bow down and worship at the alter of Osama.
Selective quoting ftl.yerded wrote:
Oh yeah, I almost forgot, Republicans are almost as bad.We used to game together tbh.Flaming_Maniac wrote:
Hahahaha that second link and its response are so cute together, the beginning of a relationship that would blossom.
He became an intolerant douche nozzle.
I just became more charming.
we played one round of karkand for 15 minutes. one time. oh christ you are weird.
Tu Stultus Es
Is "free market" capitalism the same as true capitalism? Government intervention does not only occur under Democratic leadership.... aren't corporate subsidies just as intrusive to the free market as regulation and control?
If you want to call Obama a fascist why not just call Bush and every other President for the past.... uhh.. century a fascist?
If you want to call Obama a fascist why not just call Bush and every other President for the past.... uhh.. century a fascist?
I doSpearhead wrote:
Is "free market" capitalism the same as true capitalism? Government intervention does not only occur under Democratic leadership.... aren't corporate subsidies just as intrusive to the free market as regulation and control?
If you want to call Obama a fascist why not just call Bush and every other President for the past.... uhh.. century a fascist?
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Well.... thank god American fascism is so different than some other forms I guess.
no such thing as true capitalism. never really has been. people that think they are "conservatives" usually seem to be only against social welfare but have no problem with corporate welfare.Spearhead wrote:
Is "free market" capitalism the same as true capitalism? Government intervention does not only occur under Democratic leadership.... aren't corporate subsidies just as intrusive to the free market as regulation and control?
If you want to call Obama a fascist why not just call Bush and every other President for the past.... uhh.. century a fascist?
Tu Stultus Es