BF2S Forums Official patch 1.2 commentary thread.

What has disappeared:

1. Unskilled plane/heli users. Good ones are still here. And some bad ones.
2. Snipers with default weapons. Only AWPs and L96A1s now, plus the occasional M95.
3. Point-blank tubing. Whee, holy shit, BOOM. Learning the hard way.
4. C4 tossers. Good. On the other hand, this makes it a hell of a lot harder to get badges.
5. C4 jumping. Makes stunt movies harder, but at least you don't get roof hoppers...

What's still here:
1. THE FUCKING RED-TAG BUG. Enough said.
2. TKing for vehicles. People who think they can outsmart AA get in and get killed.

What is new or more common:
1. TKing for stationary Stinger/IGLAs. When's the last time you saw that in 1.12?
2. "Sniper whores". Mashtuur? A snipefest. Try to cap an OP and you'll be dead in an instant.
3. PKM/MG36 sniping. Sniping is for everyone now, apparently.
4. Disappearing AT missiles. Great...and it leaves a track too, so they can kill you.
5. Claymore spamming. Can't kill teammates. Nothing to lose.
6. THE AWP. Don't confront them with an M24. They will KEEEL you.

RatedM.Muffy wrote:

Wrong.  A tank shell would DEMOLISH a chopper in one shot.  You realize choppers aren't meant to fly low enough for tanks to even see?  Play with me and my gunner, we remain unseen and use the choppers as they should be: Gunboats.  Park at a distance, and let the gunner wreck all vehicles with TV missles.

My pwnage with a chopper hasn't changed since the patch, and I will reiterate:

With the new patch, the truly good players will stand out, and the noobs will complain.

You're definately right with the tankshell thing although I haven't seen a chopper been blown by a single tank round in BF, so what are you all talking about?
But you're definately wrong with the "You realize choppers aren't meant to fly low enough for tanks to even see?" thing. It's actually more the other way round: Choppers fly veeeery low to avoid detection and AA fire...
btw the chance to hit a helo with a tank shell in RL is quite low anyway

Last edited by Vintageologist (2006-02-16 15:34:51)

yes it is

some1 plz tell me wut AWP is

onebadengineer wrote:

I fly on empty maps during commercials just to stay sharp.

That just blows my mind. Unbelievable dedication.



Edit: Oh, forgot to ask.. I checked your stats and didn't witness the 100% drop you mentioned (according to SPM diagram)? Looks just fine.

Last edited by McBondi (2006-02-16 22:58:35)

I love this. People are already starting it to call the AWP, like in CS. Although the two are the same weapon, we should call it the L96A1 for BF2 purposes.

then again, awp is easier to type, so what the heck....

-I just posted this on planet battlefield, it's long, it's mellow dramatic. but i had to vent


thank you ea/dice for utterly fucking my 9 month hobby into oblivion. if your goal was to turn off me and veteran players like me to your products then you have succeeded with precision.

i know there are already a million posts like this but i feel like if i dont write this out and vent a little i will go crazy.

when ea released an online game and provides persistent stat support, exactly what were they expecting to happen? after 9 months of uninterrupted gaming there are going to be people who excel far beyond those more casual gamers in terms of ability and talent(and i am not referring to "bunny hopping","dolphin diving" or "noob tubing", those are character flaws, not game flaws). after nine months, this is not a game that can simply be picked up and played without enduring a steep learning curve.

what ea/dice has effectively done is hack the legs out from under one of the most remarkable game ever produced. I am the first one to admit my affection for the attack chopper. it was a superb instrument of death and destruction requiring the upmost application of control and concentration while doling out some of the most brutal and violent attrition in the entire game. it is the one vehicle in the game requiring teamwork to truely operate correctly.

if they wanted to make the AA more accurate, great, it's just another challenge, but don't castrate the choppers and jets in the process. that just doesn't make sense to me. AA was already dangerous when operated correctly. add to that some very talented AT guys, innumerable small arms fire and .50cal machine guns. oh yeah, don't forget jets, other choppers, tanks, apc's, and tow missiles. against a talented team the attack chopper can be quite popular. everything mentioned above is now either stronger and/or more dangerous because of the chopper's newly weakened condition.

i guess i'm wrong, but i've always felt that it should require teamwork and/or skill to kill an attack chopper considering the teamwork and skill required to operate it. now anyone can simply hop into an AA site or or mounted .50 and make short work of and any chopper already busy dodging the jets who can now easily machine gun any chopper out of the sky in less than one pass. whatever.

i find it remarkable that ea/dice has no problem changing the core dynamics of a game before they have even managed to fix the bugs both original to the release and created with subsequent patches. the red teammate thing is still a problem. the netcode is functionally stable at best.

i could care less about this new rank bullshit, the new sniper rifle is ok, the new machine gun is, um, another useless gun. the UAV is just more bullshit to fuck up my fps. it all just feels like a bunch of novelty/eyecandy crap to distract from the dry fisting the rest of the game is getting.

so, thank you EA/DICE, you motherfuckers. thank you for freeing me from this once pleasant addiction. i can now play other games and not feel like every non-bf2 kill is a waste of stat potential. i will probably continue to play bf2, but unless things change, i dont think it will ever feel the same.

A lot of people are saying the choppers are basically worthless now since they take damage so quickly.

My answer to that is always
1.) adapt, learn, get better
2.) get more teamplay involved

I can't fly at all, and so whenever I enter a chopper now, I normally will get blasted out of the air, which is only fair, I guess.
The really good chopper pilots now make it their priority to take out any potential threats before hovering over a SP, mowing down infantry with the cannon.
Just yesterday, I saw a J-8 pilot/gunner combo on wake rape USMC SP's just like before, the only difference being they made sure they destroyed the AA and any vehicle with a MMG on it before taking care of the infantry. It worked to perfection, no visible difference to 1.12.

teamplay is also becoming more important, I guess. Can't take out AA yourself ? ask a teammate to help you out. Have snipers watch enemy AA's. Get a jet pilot to drop a bombload. It's all possible, you just gotta put forth the effort.

uk.solidsnake wrote:

niomosy wrote:

Stcool wrote:

... WTF happen to the Black Hawk? And is the car and new AA against Choopers? You can shoot a chooper down with a FAV, if you keep shooting it for 4 1/2 second. And the blackhawk gun is like.... Transporter gun. You cant even shoot 15 people staying in a group with it (Scarcasim) And the tank is like, "WTF? 1 shoot from a tank and then you have like, 5 bar left? The only thing that is better is the Cobra. The guns are better. But the damage bar is like F***ed up.

A shot from a tank should be wiping most any chopper out.  Taking 5 seconds direct fire from a 50cal like that and you don't think your chopper should be in fumes?  You're funny.  C'mon, tell me another one!

Well, I certainly don't think so. We're not playing insta-fucking-gib Battlefield here. Just because you can hit a helicopter with a tank round doesn't mean they should blow up immediately. NOTHING should be killed in one shot. Also, 5 seconds direct fire to kill a helocopter IS too fast, regardless of what you think. There physically isn't enough time for a pilot to avoid or react to that kind of direct fire unless you are lucky. Especially on wide open maps such as wake island. The only map that you can survive easily on in a chopper is Sharqi, because you can duck behind buildings and shit. Other maps are too wide open, the pilots have absolutely no defense mechanism to overpowered attacks.

Yep. Over powered AA plus over degrading the heli's and jets hit points and weaponary. Too much! I am dealing with it though but new pilots are going to get creamed.

... The weapons model of the L96A!.. better how he holds the weapon.. after the grip.. there is a spare hole in the stock.. as one of the sniper rifles with pistol grip u have to hold ur thumb after the pistol grip..  and not over the stock like he holds hit... really that starts to hurt after 1 min if u hold the AICS or L96A1 like that.

u see it also on that picture that they actually hold the weapon like i explained

B.Schuss, great post. You got it right, I still fly and yes it is tougher. but it promotes teamwork and new thinking. On wake I always now attack with the sun at my back... because a teamate told me he can't see me from the AA in that area. Little tricks and being sneaky will now play a role. I'm very pleased with the patch. Plus less lines waitng for planes.

pndragon26 wrote:

B.Schuss, great post. You got it right, I still fly and yes it is tougher. but it promotes teamwork and new thinking. On wake I always now attack with the sun at my back... because a teamate told me he can't see me from the AA in that area. Little tricks and being sneaky will now play a role. I'm very pleased with the patch. Plus less lines waitng for planes.

wheres the sun?