BF2S Forums Official patch 1.2 commentary thread.

Dilly wrote:

Anyone notice delay on reviving people with med kits?  I was playing karkland yesterday and like 9 people got killed in the fenced in area by the hotel.  I figured I would get at least 5-6 revives, so I go and pick up 2 people, next thing you know my paddles are frozen for about 3-4 seconds, they werent charging, and I couldnt switch weapons or anything.  Even a few times I tried to throw out health packs and there was a delay from switching from my paddles to the health packs.    I know the paddles charge when you put them away, but I couldnt even do that.  I also noticed its harder to shock paddle an enemy now.

yea I had the problem too on karkand last night I couldnt revive my squad and I had no idea why aftr they respawned  it was fine again

i cant seem to get new unlocks......i have all the "base unlocks" for every gun, why cant i get the new sniper rifle or p90?

i like the bunny hop fix although c4/ammo/med throwing is useless now.
i used to love helos till now >_<
im still getting noob tubed
and now i have much further to go till im the highest rank lol

I don't know about a lot of you, but I am noticing a trend in forums regarding BF2.  It seems that the only people that post are the people that have a problem with the game.  It is one of the most popular online games right now, you can get online and find thousands of people enjoying themselves living vicariously through this game.

If you look at how the world works:  The reason why we have fraud alerts on credit cards and fraud protection is because 5% of the population abuses other peoples privacy, the reason we have camera's in convienence stores is because 5% of the population wants to rob the store, the reason why we have warning stickers that tell us to not blow dry our hair in water is because 5%(hopefully not that high) of the population is to stupid to know that electricity and water don't mix.(for those of you that are going to blast my numbers, I know that they probably are the most accurate, but you are looking at the wrong side of my point).  This list of things go on and on.....the point to this is that the people that are blasting and yelling and kicking and screaming wrong doings on EA are going to ruin it for the rest of it.  As soon as EA feels they are losing money or that this endeavor isn't profitable, we won't see patches and improvements towards the game....as much as they say they do it for the love, they are a business and do it because they make money...flat out that is why they are here.  Unless some of the folks that actually appreciate Dice and EA for their efforts and the amazing talents that these folks have, we are going to lose them as allies in making the best game online even better. 

If you look at the complaint pages compared to the love page, it is disturbing the difference.  I personally don't feel that this is an indication to the patches success, it just is an indication and proof that it is easier to complain and feel powerful, than it is to compliment and feel proud of what you have said.  The reward of complaint is getting your way and showing the world you have the power to do that...the power of compliment is a thank you, there is no material reward for it.

We all need to seriously think about how productive a post will be.  Don't bitch, bring a thought out solution to the problem.  Don't complain or insult the other people because you feel that you are right and no one else is, bring a mature solution to how you feel so that EA can look into everything. 

I have pulled 10 random posts and looked into stats when I can find the persons names.  The trend is that the people yelling are the jets/helicopters/and people who used the grendade launcher a lot.  This is selfish, as you all are EXTREMELY TALENTED at what you do, but having a 8:1 kill to death ratio proves that there needs to be a balance.  Prove that you are as good as you are to us ground pounders by adapting to the stronger defense.  In war, if you are getting slaughtered by an enemy, you don't take it, you got to the drawing board to learn new tactics....in a sense EA gave us better weapons to defend the ground from jets.  You now have to adapt and learn new tactics.  All the bitching in the world won't help this, only your talents and hard work did.  Praise EA on giving us the best game ever, don't manifest what would be perfect for you, just love what you love, don't like what you don't like, but let the rest of us enjoy the game.

As for the people that respect the game.  Let your voice be heard!  We need to support EA and Dice to keep improving their product.  They are doing it for free right now, let's not push our luck!

Cameron

ANd by the way, can someone just tell me what the hell dolphin diving was?  I got the whole bunny hopping thing, even though I didn't even feel bad to be killed by one of those faggots when I was in the prone by a tree or by cover - I was 11B - I really know what it is like to be a ground pounder

This is my two cents on the tpoic, I think this patch was just what this game needed, the heli, and jets are now as they should be, no long gods of the sky, the accuracy improvements were much needed, and I love being able to see the uav's it make take the enemy by suprise much easyer plus it give you the heads up on weather or not there are enemys in the area.  And thats all I have to say about that....

I like the new patch, i just think it needs some sanding around the edges..

fuzzyballs44 wrote:

AH1Z SOCOM GHOST wrote:

I like the new patch, i just think it needs some sanding around the edges..

this was one of the best posts yet.....short, to the point, and fair.  He is absolutely right, the patch is awesome, but with fine tuning and actually CONSTRUCTIVE FEEDBACK from the players EA and Dice can work for us.  With the attitudes and ridiculous posts from some of these people were gonna be lucky to have EA ever sand the edges for us.

This is it. People who call people whiners for putting their view accross should grow up. The new patch does need some slight adjustment and anybody who says it doesn't needs to play all aspects of the game to get a better understanding of it.

Last edited by General_CoLin_Tassi (2006-02-18 02:09:23)

fuzzyballs44 wrote:

General_CoLin_Tassi wrote:

fuzzyballs44 wrote:

this was one of the best posts yet.....short, to the point, and fair.  He is absolutely right, the patch is awesome, but with fine tuning and actually CONSTRUCTIVE FEEDBACK from the players EA and Dice can work for us.  With the attitudes and ridiculous posts from some of these people were gonna be lucky to have EA ever sand the edges for us.

This is it. People who call people whiners for putting their view accross should grow up. The new patch does need some slight adjustment and anybody who says it doesn't needs to play all aspects of the game to get a better understanding of it.

http://bf2s.com/player/44465804/

Check that site...actually is slamming EA about the patch in his sig.  I'll give him credit on his Karkand skills and time, but look at his jet stats....28000 kills and 2000 deaths...10:1 kill/death ratio!!!  That is crazy....the patch was necessary in something like that.  You cannot contribute that to all skill.  That is what I'm talking about when I say 5% are going to ruin it for the majority!

Yep, true mate. Tubers and bunny hoppers were annoying problems in BF2 and are now well sorted (I think)with the new patch. A debate has now begun on the new patch as it has caused some new annoying problems, hasn't fixed a couple of bugs and has gone too far in some area's.

ComradeWho wrote:

General_CoLin_Tassi wrote:

fuzzyballs44 wrote:

http://bf2s.com/player/44465804/

Check that site...actually is slamming EA about the patch in his sig.  I'll give him credit on his Karkand skills and time, but look at his jet stats....28000 kills and 2000 deaths...10:1 kill/death ratio!!!  That is crazy....the patch was necessary in something like that.  You cannot contribute that to all skill.  That is what I'm talking about when I say 5% are going to ruin it for the majority!

Yep, true mate. Tubers and bunny hoppers were annoying problems in BF2 and are now well sorted (I think)with the new patch. A debate has now begun on the new patch as it has caused some new annoying problems, hasn't fixed a couple of bugs and has gone too far in some area's.

see fellers, when you decide to mix with the balance set forth in the initial game release you are getting into a big can of worms, because community griping always produces poorly designed patches hastily released which create more problems than they fix
anybody remember then they patched AA to make it less effective due to whining? ohhh yeah, gee, that worked out well.
it was really senseless to mess with the nade launcher.. calling it "nube tubing" because it's effective and easy to use is ridiculous - it's the assault class, it's supposed to own your little ass at close range 9 out of 10 times with ease. that's the whole point of it - it goes and clears out things - that is it's strength and role - that's why they called it assault.. ahhh.. ohhh.. oooo!!! wow makes so much sense, maybe too much huh? appearantly it did. well now that class is effectively useless, nobody plays with it and as a result infantry combat is dramatically different. we have half snipers, half support - and that's basically it. spec ops no longer is the most powerful tool against tanks (hey who cares about balance when we can make some pathetic old vets who never saw c4 used that way feel more like they're back with the MEU).. and as for anti - tank, why? so you can get sniped with your slow movement or mowed down before you get close enough to use your DAO against the guy with the monster PKM.. and why even be medic when you can get the uber kills and the team points of the support class that gets a point every time a team mate changes a clip. as for assault - like we said, why? nade launcher is no longer the strongest close range weapon (of course it should be but it isn't now, idiots), so why be that class? you can't get as many kills with it and it has no team point bonuses like medic or support.. so that leaves us with sniper and support as i already said and if you'be played then you know first hand for yourself.. which means that the two strongest and most played classes are the ones that stay static from a distance and kill people who wander into their crosshaids - you know what this sounds like? sounds like a patch that was made to cater to all the crappy players who just wanted to log on for half an hour and kill something, because that's what we've got know - a game based on getting the effortless kill. if you're not one of these classes or armor then you are just a poor sucker wandering around the map trying to get to/from a flag waiting to come into the crosshairs of one of the thousands of mediocre players who have just been given a gift from the gaming gods..

You make a good point. Well said.

ComradeWho wrote:

General_CoLin_Tassi wrote:

fuzzyballs44 wrote:

http://bf2s.com/player/44465804/

Check that site...actually is slamming EA about the patch in his sig.  I'll give him credit on his Karkand skills and time, but look at his jet stats....28000 kills and 2000 deaths...10:1 kill/death ratio!!!  That is crazy....the patch was necessary in something like that.  You cannot contribute that to all skill.  That is what I'm talking about when I say 5% are going to ruin it for the majority!

Yep, true mate. Tubers and bunny hoppers were annoying problems in BF2 and are now well sorted (I think)with the new patch. A debate has now begun on the new patch as it has caused some new annoying problems, hasn't fixed a couple of bugs and has gone too far in some area's.

see fellers, when you decide to mix with the balance set forth in the initial game release you are getting into a big can of worms, because community griping always produces poorly designed patches hastily released which create more problems than they fix
anybody remember then they patched AA to make it less effective due to whining? ohhh yeah, gee, that worked out well.
it was really senseless to mess with the nade launcher.. calling it "nube tubing" because it's effective and easy to use is ridiculous - it's the assault class, it's supposed to own your little ass at close range 9 out of 10 times with ease. that's the whole point of it - it goes and clears out things - that is it's strength and role - that's why they called it assault.. ahhh.. ohhh.. oooo!!! wow makes so much sense, maybe too much huh? appearantly it did. well now that class is effectively useless, nobody plays with it and as a result infantry combat is dramatically different. we have half snipers, half support - and that's basically it. spec ops no longer is the most powerful tool against tanks (hey who cares about balance when we can make some pathetic old vets who never saw c4 used that way feel more like they're back with the MEU).. and as for anti - tank, why? so you can get sniped with your slow movement or mowed down before you get close enough to use your DAO against the guy with the monster PKM.. and why even be medic when you can get the uber kills and the team points of the support class that gets a point every time a team mate changes a clip. as for assault - like we said, why? nade launcher is no longer the strongest close range weapon (of course it should be but it isn't now, idiots), so why be that class? you can't get as many kills with it and it has no team point bonuses like medic or support.. so that leaves us with sniper and support as i already said and if you'be played then you know first hand for yourself.. which means that the two strongest and most played classes are the ones that stay static from a distance and kill people who wander into their crosshaids - you know what this sounds like? sounds like a patch that was made to cater to all the crappy players who just wanted to log on for half an hour and kill something, because that's what we've got know - a game based on getting the effortless kill. if you're not one of these classes or armor then you are just a poor sucker wandering around the map trying to get to/from a flag waiting to come into the crosshairs of one of the thousands of mediocre players who have just been given a gift from the gaming gods..

lol true true

[FIS]-Thor wrote:

ComradeWho wrote:

General_CoLin_Tassi wrote:

Yep, true mate. Tubers and bunny hoppers were annoying problems in BF2 and are now well sorted (I think)with the new patch. A debate has now begun on the new patch as it has caused some new annoying problems, hasn't fixed a couple of bugs and has gone too far in some area's.

see fellers, when you decide to mix with the balance set forth in the initial game release you are getting into a big can of worms, because community griping always produces poorly designed patches hastily released which create more problems than they fix
anybody remember then they patched AA to make it less effective due to whining? ohhh yeah, gee, that worked out well.
it was really senseless to mess with the nade launcher.. calling it "nube tubing" because it's effective and easy to use is ridiculous - it's the assault class, it's supposed to own your little ass at close range 9 out of 10 times with ease. that's the whole point of it - it goes and clears out things - that is it's strength and role - that's why they called it assault.. ahhh.. ohhh.. oooo!!! wow makes so much sense, maybe too much huh? appearantly it did. well now that class is effectively useless, nobody plays with it and as a result infantry combat is dramatically different. we have half snipers, half support - and that's basically it. spec ops no longer is the most powerful tool against tanks (hey who cares about balance when we can make some pathetic old vets who never saw c4 used that way feel more like they're back with the MEU).. and as for anti - tank, why? so you can get sniped with your slow movement or mowed down before you get close enough to use your DAO against the guy with the monster PKM.. and why even be medic when you can get the uber kills and the team points of the support class that gets a point every time a team mate changes a clip. as for assault - like we said, why? nade launcher is no longer the strongest close range weapon (of course it should be but it isn't now, idiots), so why be that class? you can't get as many kills with it and it has no team point bonuses like medic or support.. so that leaves us with sniper and support as i already said and if you'be played then you know first hand for yourself.. which means that the two strongest and most played classes are the ones that stay static from a distance and kill people who wander into their crosshaids - you know what this sounds like? sounds like a patch that was made to cater to all the crappy players who just wanted to log on for half an hour and kill something, because that's what we've got know - a game based on getting the effortless kill. if you're not one of these classes or armor then you are just a poor sucker wandering around the map trying to get to/from a flag waiting to come into the crosshairs of one of the thousands of mediocre players who have just been given a gift from the gaming gods..

lol true true

However, a real 203 round will not explode for approximately 50 meters - this is designed to not harm the attacker - the kill radius is 5 meters and there is fragmentation for 35 meter radius - even more for HE rounds that are used in a MK-19. 

I would much rather go head to head with someone and let the skill speak rather than one shot one kill - I'm dead and they are playing for stats.  If you are in the game for merely stats, there would be better games that you could actually get payed to play - move on to poker or something where knowing the stats might actually benefit you$$$$$

[FIS]-Thor wrote:

ComradeWho wrote:

General_CoLin_Tassi wrote:

Yep, true mate. Tubers and bunny hoppers were annoying problems in BF2 and are now well sorted (I think)with the new patch. A debate has now begun on the new patch as it has caused some new annoying problems, hasn't fixed a couple of bugs and has gone too far in some area's.

see fellers, when you decide to mix with the balance set forth in the initial game release you are getting into a big can of worms, because community griping always produces poorly designed patches hastily released which create more problems than they fix
anybody remember then they patched AA to make it less effective due to whining? ohhh yeah, gee, that worked out well.
it was really senseless to mess with the nade launcher.. calling it "nube tubing" because it's effective and easy to use is ridiculous - it's the assault class, it's supposed to own your little ass at close range 9 out of 10 times with ease. that's the whole point of it - it goes and clears out things - that is it's strength and role - that's why they called it assault.. ahhh.. ohhh.. oooo!!! wow makes so much sense, maybe too much huh? appearantly it did. well now that class is effectively useless, nobody plays with it and as a result infantry combat is dramatically different. we have half snipers, half support - and that's basically it. spec ops no longer is the most powerful tool against tanks (hey who cares about balance when we can make some pathetic old vets who never saw c4 used that way feel more like they're back with the MEU).. and as for anti - tank, why? so you can get sniped with your slow movement or mowed down before you get close enough to use your DAO against the guy with the monster PKM.. and why even be medic when you can get the uber kills and the team points of the support class that gets a point every time a team mate changes a clip. as for assault - like we said, why? nade launcher is no longer the strongest close range weapon (of course it should be but it isn't now, idiots), so why be that class? you can't get as many kills with it and it has no team point bonuses like medic or support.. so that leaves us with sniper and support as i already said and if you'be played then you know first hand for yourself.. which means that the two strongest and most played classes are the ones that stay static from a distance and kill people who wander into their crosshaids - you know what this sounds like? sounds like a patch that was made to cater to all the crappy players who just wanted to log on for half an hour and kill something, because that's what we've got know - a game based on getting the effortless kill. if you're not one of these classes or armor then you are just a poor sucker wandering around the map trying to get to/from a flag waiting to come into the crosshairs of one of the thousands of mediocre players who have just been given a gift from the gaming gods..

lol true true

This game is designed to be a team oriented event....the focus is on being a lone wolf....look at the way the games are configured and the best way to achieve victory.  If you look at the kits in a non selfish point of view about how to get the most points and actually focus on what there actual purpose in the game is you could double your points compared to just what "I can do".  Look at what helps your team the most, because if your squad of six is balanced with all the kits you will OWN any enemy and team you come across...so the points come naturally.  This game never should be in the same conversation as HOW CAN I GET THE MOST POINTS WITH THE LEAST AMOUNT OF WORK ON MY PART!  Be support because you are good at remembering to rearm your buddies and lay down a sheet of bullets to protect them and cover them as they dart across the street.  Be a medic because you aren't worried about yourself, you just are concerned with hanging back and reviving your buddies so they can lay more rounds out and capture that CP...be engineer so that you can repair the armor, the AA turrets, the tow missiles, the supply crates and the gapping holes in the fence so that you can server your team better.  That is the way the game should be played.  It is where the balance comes from.  I have never been in a good squad that ssticks together and communicates that has one player at 10 points and another at 90...all of the scores(remember this is a tight good squad) are consistent with each other, no matter what the class is.  If you only have fun making quick easy points, then maybe you should play single player on easy level and build your own stats reader based on that.  EA's intent for medals and awards and ranks was to make IT DIFFICULT and not allow everyone to get them.  So when  you have 4 points per minute because you are a pilot, and 90% of the people are 60000 points below you because they are ground pounders, there is an imbalance there and you don't deserve those ranks and medals.  The talent for flying is there, but you are also nearly invinsible until the patch launched.

Last edited by fuzzyballs44 (2006-02-18 17:49:02)