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2010-06-10 07:13:36

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pace51: Boom?; +194|5571|Markham, Ontario

Uzique wrote:
wtf are you talking about now pace

security is not a right

Yes it is. We have a right to be secure in our society. We have a right to be safe. Our right is safety and security, and our responsibility is to make sure others are safe and secure too. Excercise your rights without intruding on the rights of others. Canada's been governed by that system for a while, and it works quite well. Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

Seurity is a basic human right. And in anada, it's a right by law.

2010-06-10 07:16:03

#27

mcminty: Moderating your content for the Australian Govt.; +879|7119|Sydney, Australia

pace51 wrote:
Uzique wrote:
wtf are you talking about now pace

security is not a right
Yes it is. We have a right to be secure in our society. We have a right to be safe. Our right is safety and security, and our responsibility is to make sure others are safe and secure too. Excercise your rights without intruding on the rights of others. Canada's been governed by that system for a while, and it works quite well. Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

Seurity is a basic human right. And in anada, it's a right by law.

You... mean this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_of_person

2010-06-10 07:19:58

#28

pace51: Boom?; +194|5571|Markham, Ontario

mcminty wrote:
pace51 wrote:
Uzique wrote:
wtf are you talking about now pace

security is not a right
Yes it is. We have a right to be secure in our society. We have a right to be safe. Our right is safety and security, and our responsibility is to make sure others are safe and secure too. Excercise your rights without intruding on the rights of others. Canada's been governed by that system for a while, and it works quite well. Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

Seurity is a basic human right. And in Canada, it's a right by law.
You... mean this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_of_person

Exactly.

2010-06-10 07:27:49

#29

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6868

i don't think it's a human right. just because the UN applies it to a charter of democracy, doesn't make it an innate human right.

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2010-06-10 07:38:15

#30

pace51: Boom?; +194|5571|Markham, Ontario

Uzique wrote:
i don't think it's a human right. just because the UN applies it to a charter of democracy, doesn't make it an innate human right.

That's not why I believe it's a right. I believe it's a moral obligation to respect each others rights.

2010-06-10 07:43:51

#31

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6868

wtf are you even trying to say

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2010-06-10 07:44:42

#32

pace51: Boom?; +194|5571|Markham, Ontario

Uzique wrote:
wtf are you even trying to say

We all deserve to be safe.

2010-06-10 07:45:21

#33

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|7114

Rights don't mean shit when a gun is pointed at your face.

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2010-06-10 07:47:21

#34

pace51: Boom?; +194|5571|Markham, Ontario

Cybargs wrote:
Rights don't mean shit when a gun is pointed at your face.

Just because you deserve a right doesn't mean you'll get it. Of course you're right,, Cybargs. However, that's why, it's up to the courts to ensure that the person who injured one person in prevented from harming many more people.

2010-06-10 08:10:37

#35

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6868

oh my god i can't even begin to describe the facepalm

yeah, the courts will do a great job of protecting a person's rights... 18 months down the line when the paperwork is done and the case reaches court

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2010-06-10 09:29:56

#36

pace51: Boom?; +194|5571|Markham, Ontario

But they still will.

2010-06-10 09:30:59

#37

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6868

what, when you're dead?

way to go murder cases

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2010-06-10 09:32:45

#38

pace51: Boom?; +194|5571|Markham, Ontario

Uzique wrote:
what, when you're dead?

way to go murder cases

They'll still help someone.

2010-06-10 09:33:36

#39

Ultrafunkula: Hector: Ding, ding, ding, ding...; +1,975|6871|6 6 4 oh, I forget

pace51 wrote:
Uzique wrote:
what, when you're dead?

way to go murder cases
They'll still help someone.

2010-06-10 09:34:40

#40

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6868

wait, so now human rights are collective and not for each and every individual?

woopsie!

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2010-06-10 09:38:19

#41

Flaming_Maniac: prince of insufficient light; +2,490|7105|67.222.138.85

"human rights" are really provisions secured by social contract - nature will do nothing to ensure each and every person is given their "rights".

That said personal safety in general terms is the first thing secured by every social contract. It's not as if this right cannot be violated, but that can be said for any right. You can't completely secure any right, but personal security is the very basic aim of the social contract.

2010-06-10 09:40:47

#42

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6868

you use the term 'social contract' as if you're hinting at rousseau there...

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2010-06-10 09:44:35

#43

Flaming_Maniac: prince of insufficient light; +2,490|7105|67.222.138.85

I'm using the term to talk about anyone and everyone who talks about social contract. I think you can actually speak generally and correctly say personal safety in some form or another is fundamental to any social contract. I mean I usually don't talk in absolutes like that, but without personal safety everything crumbles. Now the point of personal safety in most social contracts is to extend that idea to the right to personal property and the security of that property, but this assumes personal security is a forgone conclusion.

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