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2010-08-31 06:05:28

Finray: Hup! Dos, Tres, Cuatro; +2,629|6062|Catherine Black

Uzique wrote:
Finray wrote:
No, no, no, no. You're missing the point, completely. I wrote "when?" because not only did Intel used to be the better CPU - admittedly only since about Core2Duo, not before that - but because they still ARE the better CPU.

I do infact know that AMD used to be better for gaming. I was simply stating that AMD don't hold a light to Intel, like Jenspm insinuated.
jesus christ, finray, you just don't get something SO simple.

all im saying is that your timeline is fucking TINY and shows your AGE

you admit that intel "only since core2duo" USED to be the better cpu

i am saying that BEFORE c2d-era AMD was the best.

therefore jenspm's insinuation makes PERFECT SENSE- you just can't see it because you're so fucking NEW.

i cannot believe it has taken 3 posts to spell it this very simple and rather irrelevant point...

I cannot believe it's taken 3 posts for you to still be on your fucking high horse and realise I never said ANYTHING about pre core2duo times and there is no fucking reason why you should have started talking about them whatsoever. Here's a little insight, I ALREADY KNEW about the state of affairs PRE C2D and I already KNEW that AMD were the better buy and you're running on assumptions. All I meant with my little half-sarcastic comment was that INTEL > AMD CURRENTLY. Didn't say ANYTHING about the past, nowhere in my post WHATSOEVER did that feature, ALL I said was the CURRENTLY

INTEL > AMD

Does that clear it up for you?

2010-08-31 06:05:29

FloppY_: +1,010|6559|Denmark aka Automotive Hell

Bertster7 wrote:
FloppY_ wrote:
GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:
Quadro FX580 is POS in every possiple way, I did not say all Quadro are POS. You people sure like to make up things from your own minds and claim someone said it even when they didn't. Chill ffs.
I hope you are referring to Uzique

Because:
FloppY_ wrote:
Protip: Panz called it a POS, I called them cheap.. And I was referring to the basic ones...
I hope you realise calling them cheap is nonsensical. A really old shit one costs that much, new ones cost thousands. I just feel sorry for the poor person you advised to get an old shitty quaddro instead of a less dated gpu that would have cost less and performed better.

Yeah too bad the "really old one" as you call it, was the latest series of the time... Lowest end yes, but brand new...

Your thoughts, insights, and musings on this matter intrigue me

2010-08-31 06:07:00

Finray: Hup! Dos, Tres, Cuatro; +2,629|6062|Catherine Black

Uzique wrote:
therefore jenspm's insinuation makes PERFECT SENSE- you just can't see it because you're so fucking NEW.

No, it makes NO sense whatsoever, because it is WRONG.

2010-08-31 06:07:09

GC_PaNzerFIN: Work and study @ Technical Uni; +528|6688|Finland

In case you didn't know, you can softmod a lot of Geforce models to Quadros. Best part is you save stunning amount of money in process.

@floppy

Last edited by GC_PaNzerFIN (2010-08-31 06:07:50)

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2010-08-31 06:08:40

Bertster7: Confused Pothead; +1,101|6855|SE London

Uzique wrote:
oh i had about 3-4 computers before my AMD64 gaming system... obviously you can extend the rule to the absurd based on age, alone...

i was just trying to give some context and debunk the 'myth' that intel have held some sort of dominance. i'd say that the recent quad-core era has probably, as far as i can remember, been the greatest run of market-majority holding that intel have ever done-- i don't think they've ever had it so good/easy.

But it's not a myth. Intel do have market dominance and have made better products in general. I would expect your statement that Intel have never had it so good is probably not correct and if it is, that is most likely due to the fact that they now make all Apple CPUs, which is completely unrelated to AMD.

2010-08-31 06:09:29

FloppY_: +1,010|6559|Denmark aka Automotive Hell

GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:
In case you didn't know, you can softmod a lot of Geforce models to Quadros. Best part is you save stunning amount of money in process.

@floppy

Yeah that will work well... I'm not going to "experiment" with a customers computer.

When a customer orders something, you build and deliver what's best within the budget given, whilst filling their need...

Your thoughts, insights, and musings on this matter intrigue me

2010-08-31 06:10:56

Bertster7: Confused Pothead; +1,101|6855|SE London

FloppY_ wrote:
Bertster7 wrote:
FloppY_ wrote:
GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:
Quadro FX580 is POS in every possiple way, I did not say all Quadro are POS. You people sure like to make up things from your own minds and claim someone said it even when they didn't. Chill ffs.
I hope you are referring to Uzique

Because:

I hope you realise calling them cheap is nonsensical. A really old shit one costs that much, new ones cost thousands. I just feel sorry for the poor person you advised to get an old shitty quaddro instead of a less dated gpu that would have cost less and performed better.
Yeah too bad the "really old one" as you call it, was the latest series of the time... Lowest end yes, but brand new...

It's a shit card. You advised him badly.

2010-08-31 06:13:06

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6744

Bertster7 wrote:
Uzique wrote:
oh i had about 3-4 computers before my AMD64 gaming system... obviously you can extend the rule to the absurd based on age, alone...

i was just trying to give some context and debunk the 'myth' that intel have held some sort of dominance. i'd say that the recent quad-core era has probably, as far as i can remember, been the greatest run of market-majority holding that intel have ever done-- i don't think they've ever had it so good/easy.
But it's not a myth. Intel do have market dominance and have made better products in general. I would expect your statement that Intel have never had it so good is probably not correct and if it is, that is most likely due to the fact that they now make all Apple CPUs, which is completely unrelated to AMD.

i mean the 'myth of dominance' whereby intel were always the default, obvious choice for a processor...

when making pc builds in the past, pre-quadcore era, ive had to research a little more my choice of CPU

nowadays it's just a matter of buying the most OC-friendly intel core

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2010-08-31 06:13:14

FloppY_: +1,010|6559|Denmark aka Automotive Hell

Bertster7 wrote:
FloppY_ wrote:
Bertster7 wrote:

I hope you realise calling them cheap is nonsensical. A really old shit one costs that much, new ones cost thousands. I just feel sorry for the poor person you advised to get an old shitty quaddro instead of a less dated gpu that would have cost less and performed better.
Yeah too bad the "really old one" as you call it, was the latest series of the time... Lowest end yes, but brand new...
It's a shit card. You advised him badly.

And you are an ignorant fucking moron...

The computer was for CAD rendering & design... the card was all they needed...

Fuck it's not like I created it to render James Cameron's Avatar in real time you ignorant fuck...

Your thoughts, insights, and musings on this matter intrigue me

2010-08-31 12:23:20

Bertster7: Confused Pothead; +1,101|6855|SE London

FloppY_ wrote:
Bertster7 wrote:
FloppY_ wrote:
Yeah too bad the "really old one" as you call it, was the latest series of the time... Lowest end yes, but brand new...
It's a shit card. You advised him badly.
And you are an ignorant fucking moron...

The computer was for CAD rendering & design... the card was all they needed...

Fuck it's not like I created it to render James Cameron's Avatar in real time you ignorant fuck...

Which is precisely the point I'm making.

They should have got a bog standard GPU. A Quaddro is almost certainly completely inappropriate and and the low end Quaddros are never worth getting for anyone.

He should have bought a much cheaper card.

It's pretty obvious you don't know shit about them, whereas I used to provide support on specialised rendering hardware, including lots of Quaddros, for the BBC. I'm quite familiar with what they are and are not appropriate for. I very much doubt you are, particularly since you were calling them Quattros.

If anyone here is coming off as an ignorant moron, I'd imagine it's you.

Castigating people for spending money on bags and headphones, whilst advising other people to buy overpriced, underpowered GPUs. Well done.

Last edited by Bertster7 (2010-08-31 12:27:42)

2010-08-31 12:28:26

Bertster7: Confused Pothead; +1,101|6855|SE London

Uzique wrote:
Bertster7 wrote:
Uzique wrote:
oh i had about 3-4 computers before my AMD64 gaming system... obviously you can extend the rule to the absurd based on age, alone...

i was just trying to give some context and debunk the 'myth' that intel have held some sort of dominance. i'd say that the recent quad-core era has probably, as far as i can remember, been the greatest run of market-majority holding that intel have ever done-- i don't think they've ever had it so good/easy.
But it's not a myth. Intel do have market dominance and have made better products in general. I would expect your statement that Intel have never had it so good is probably not correct and if it is, that is most likely due to the fact that they now make all Apple CPUs, which is completely unrelated to AMD.
i mean the 'myth of dominance' whereby intel were always the default, obvious choice for a processor...

when making pc builds in the past, pre-quadcore era, ive had to research a little more my choice of CPU

nowadays it's just a matter of buying the most OC-friendly intel core

With the exception of the P4 era, they were/are.

2010-08-31 14:19:28

FloppY_: +1,010|6559|Denmark aka Automotive Hell

Bertster7 wrote:
FloppY_ wrote:
Bertster7 wrote:

It's a shit card. You advised him badly.
And you are an ignorant fucking moron...

The computer was for CAD rendering & design... the card was all they needed...

Fuck it's not like I created it to render James Cameron's Avatar in real time you ignorant fuck...
Which is precisely the point I'm making.

They should have got a bog standard GPU. A Quaddro is almost certainly completely inappropriate and and the low end Quaddros are never worth getting for anyone.

He should have bought a much cheaper card.

It's pretty obvious you don't know shit about them, whereas I used to provide support on specialised rendering hardware, including lots of Quaddros, for the BBC. I'm quite familiar with what they are and are not appropriate for. I very much doubt you are, particularly since you were calling them Quattros.

If anyone here is coming off as an ignorant moron, I'd imagine it's you.

Castigating people for spending money on bags and headphones, whilst advising other people to buy overpriced, underpowered GPUs. Well done.

The customer orders, I deliver...

The specific software had minimum requirements and adviced the use of a Quadro...

I can't fucking ignore the customers request now can i?

Your thoughts, insights, and musings on this matter intrigue me

2010-08-31 14:28:34

Jenspm: penis; +1,716|7006|St. Andrews / Oslo

For the record, I said "when" to point to the C2D period, because iirc (correct me if I'm wrong) AMD ate up some ground around the C2Q era (were they called Phenoms? idk), but then i7 entered and raped them so much that not even the fanboys buy AMD anymore.

Thus today's situation wasn't as relevant because the AMD brand has died quite a bit in recognition, to the point where brand loyalty is almost wiped out, at least from what I can see on these forums (which is the only tech-input I get, really)..

But I do understand Finray's point - "when" does generally insinuate that something's ended, and Intel's dominance clearly hasn't. However, AMD CPU-fanboyism has faltered quite a bit.

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2010-08-31 14:49:57

GC_PaNzerFIN: Work and study @ Technical Uni; +528|6688|Finland

AMD's CPU division is in trouble, there is no denying that. They keep selling the new X6s at loss and it shows in their negative quarterly scores. Intel has been stalling Sandy Bridge for a while now because they don't feel need to do anything as AMD struggles with 2 years old i7.

Bulldozer better be the shits or its looking pretty dark. Already showing that the developement rate is slow and prices remain the same when there is no competition against Intel.

Last edited by GC_PaNzerFIN (2010-08-31 14:50:18)

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2010-08-31 15:21:03

rdx-fx: ...; +955|6865

Anyone that actually uses a Quadro GPU with SolidWorks, AutoCAD, or Pro/Engineer here - raise their hands...

I do

2010-08-31 16:06:01

SonderKommando: Eat, Lift, Grow, Repeat....; +564|6933|The darkside of Denver

rdx-fx wrote:
Anyone that actually uses a Quadro GPU with SolidWorks, AutoCAD, or Pro/Engineer here - raise their hands...

I do

I use it to play cod4 at 250fps

2010-08-31 17:19:27

csmag: Member; +92|6720|Canada

SonderKommando wrote:
rdx-fx wrote:
Anyone that actually uses a Quadro GPU with SolidWorks, AutoCAD, or Pro/Engineer here - raise their hands...

I do
I use it to play cod4 at 250fps

Not without a 9800gx2 you don't!

2010-08-31 23:56:00

FloppY_: +1,010|6559|Denmark aka Automotive Hell

rdx-fx wrote:
Anyone that actually uses a Quadro GPU with SolidWorks, AutoCAD, or Pro/Engineer here - raise their hands...

I do

SolidWorks, now THAT was the name of the software! I forgot it

Your thoughts, insights, and musings on this matter intrigue me

2010-09-01 00:29:37

rdx-fx: ...; +955|6865

I think it would be rather epic if they split the housekeeping chores of the CPU off into the northbridge core, and unified the rest of the CPU and GPU into what is now the CPU slot.

Hardware interrupt handling, BIOS interfacing, runlevel state, and the core kernel running in the northbridge
(security would benefit from this 'air gap' separation of kernel and application too)

APU slot handing the heavy code lifting on a unified CPU/GPU chip, with NO bus latency issues between the CPU and GPU.
Give it a GB or four of memory in the APU chip, and you would have a serious order-of-magnitude game changer.

(note: on chip, not on-die. GPU, CPU, and 4GB of memory on-die would cripple yield rates)

2010-09-01 00:33:19

FloppY_: +1,010|6559|Denmark aka Automotive Hell

rdx-fx wrote:
I think it would be rather epic if they split the housekeeping chores of the CPU off into the northbridge core, and unified the rest of the CPU and GPU into what is now the CPU slot.

Hardware interrupt handling, BIOS interfacing, runlevel state, and the core kernel running in the northbridge
(security would benefit from this 'air gap' separation of kernel and application too)

APU slot handing the heavy code lifting on a unified CPU/GPU chip, with NO bus latency issues between the CPU and GPU.
Give it a GB or four of memory in the APU chip, and you would have a serious order-of-magnitude game changer.

(note: on chip, not on-die. GPU, CPU, and 4GB of memory on-die would cripple yield rates)

Isn't this pretty much what Intel&Nvidia are working on atm?

ION Beeing the first real-world example?

Your thoughts, insights, and musings on this matter intrigue me

2010-09-01 06:18:28

RDMC: Enemy Wheelbarrow Spotted..!!; +736|6839|Area 51

Aries_37 wrote:
I've never owned an AMD system, or even an ATI card for that matter

p2>p4>c2d>i5

Fool.

j/k

2010-09-06 06:53:42

Shadow893: lel; +75|6966|England

DonFck wrote:
Uzique wrote:
people don't have 'brand loyalties' to computer hardware like they do to, say, clothing items or other intangibles.
But they do.

tbh

2010-09-06 13:17:05

unnamednewbie13: Moderator; +2,054|7045|PNW

I think Radeon is the more important component here. AMD is similar enough to ATI to not make too much of a difference, and by all business sense, AMD deserves to have their name put on it.

2010-09-08 13:41:18

Phrozenbot: Member; +632|6889|do not disturb

Of course, they did buy out ATi, not the other way around.

2010-09-08 13:49:53

rdx-fx: ...; +955|6865

FloppY_ wrote:
rdx-fx wrote:
I think it would be rather epic if they split the housekeeping chores of the CPU off into the northbridge core, and unified the rest of the CPU and GPU into what is now the CPU slot.

Hardware interrupt handling, BIOS interfacing, runlevel state, and the core kernel running in the northbridge
(security would benefit from this 'air gap' separation of kernel and application too)

APU slot handing the heavy code lifting on a unified CPU/GPU chip, with NO bus latency issues between the CPU and GPU.
Give it a GB or four of memory in the APU chip, and you would have a serious order-of-magnitude game changer.

(note: on chip, not on-die. GPU, CPU, and 4GB of memory on-die would cripple yield rates)
Isn't this pretty much what Intel&Nvidia are working on atm?

ION Beeing the first real-world example?

ION seems like it's just another chip set (Like Centrino). A chipset that Intel isn't exactly pleased with either.

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