Macbeth
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I've been following this off and on for a little while now.
To the surprise of many educators who campaigned last year for change in the White House, the Obama administration's first recipe for school reform relies heavily on Bush-era ingredients and adds others that make unions gag.

Standardized testing, school accountability, performance pay, charter schools -- all are integral to President Obama's $4.35 billion "Race to the Top" grant competition to spur innovation. None is a typical Democratic crowd-pleaser.

Labor leaders, parsing the Education Department's fine print, call the proposal little more than a dressed-up version of the No Child Left Behind law enacted seven years ago under Obama's Republican predecessor.

"It looks like the only strategies they have are charter schools and measurement," said Randi Weingarten, president of the American Federation of Teachers. "That's Bush III." Weingarten, who praises Obama for massive federal aid to help schools through the recession, said her 1.4 million-member union is engaged in "a constructive but tart dialogue" with the administration about reform.
Race to the top was part of the stimulus bill. A bunch of states got money they needed after they pushed through a bunch of great reforms. NJ missed out on $400 million due to an error filling out our forms -_-

In Washington Michelle Rhee, the school chancellor, repeatedly went to war with the teachers unions over new contracts which would have installed merit pay and removed some tenure. Eventually a new contract with the teachers union was written up but the union had managed to get more pay. It seems Michelle's crusade for education reform in D.C. might be coming to an end.

Anyway, with the whole debate over health care reform, bailouts, and whatever the hell they are bitching about on Fox News, CNN, and MSNBC these days it's too bad education reform is largely ignored. Obama came out against teachers unionsthe GOP undying enemy and supported education genuine education reform. With a democrat president in support of real education refrom there could have been some genuine improvement but the Tea Party is a bunch of myopic retards and some dumbass democrats thought healthcare reform would be the better thing to divide the country over.

On a sidenote, a new documentary coming out soon details how screwed up education is in this country as well as Rhee's attempt at reform in D.C.  The trailer is bit sappy but the movie might be interesting.
Turquoise
O Canada
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I agree that education reform probably should've been the first issue to deal with rather than healthcare reform....
cpt.fass1
The Cap'n Can Make it Hap'n
+329|7141|NJ
We literally allow popular opinion dictate education. We have states that want to teach Intelligent Design over evolution. Public schools should not be dictated by what the population wants, it's the only way to move forward.


Should we teach making Meth and Dealer 101 in Inner City Schools? It's been too long that we allow the people who breed more, more benefits that the people who breed intelligently.

Also the error in the filling of the paper work was not doing it.

Last edited by cpt.fass1 (2010-09-17 17:32:10)

Doctor Strangelove
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Turquoise wrote:

I agree that education reform probably should've been the first issue to deal with rather than healthcare reform....
Yes, but reforming healthcare is probably more straightforward than education is.
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
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Race to the Top is one of the few things that I agree with Obama on, and I only agree because it punched the Teachers Union in the mouth here in New York.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6850|North Carolina

Doctor Strangelove wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

I agree that education reform probably should've been the first issue to deal with rather than healthcare reform....
Yes, but reforming healthcare is probably more straightforward than education is.
To a degree...  I think that, overall, the Democrats should have gone for an incremental approach on healthcare reform.  Also, they could've gotten a lot of support for socialized childcare.
Reciprocity
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Turquoise wrote:

To a degree...  I think that, overall, the Democrats should have gone for an incremental approach on healthcare reform.  Also, they could've gotten a lot of support for socialized childcare.
Indoctrination!  he wants to indoctrinate our children.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6850|North Carolina

Reciprocity wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

To a degree...  I think that, overall, the Democrats should have gone for an incremental approach on healthcare reform.  Also, they could've gotten a lot of support for socialized childcare.
Indoctrination!  he wants to indoctrinate our children.
True, maybe a better plan would be subsidization of childcare -- a voucher for parents to send their kids to private childcare centers.
unnamednewbie13
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We need more student accountability.
Reciprocity
Member
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and

we need more parent accountability.
AussieReaper
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and

we need more teacher accountability.
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Reciprocity
Member
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and

we need more bus driver abbountacility.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6850|North Carolina
and...  we need Germany's two-tier system of dividing kids by technical and academic skills.
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5803|London, England

Turquoise wrote:

and...  we need Germany's two-tier system of dividing kids by technical and academic skills.
And what happens to the late bloomers then? They're pigeonholed for life.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6850|North Carolina

JohnG@lt wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

and...  we need Germany's two-tier system of dividing kids by technical and academic skills.
And what happens to the late bloomers then? They're pigeonholed for life.
Being pigeonholed but having a good paying job is better than not being pigeonholed and being unemployed.
11 Bravo
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Turquoise wrote:

and...  we need Germany's two-tier system of dividing kids by technical and academic skills.
and blond haired blue eyed 6 foot tall ones....
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6850|North Carolina

11 Bravo wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

and...  we need Germany's two-tier system of dividing kids by technical and academic skills.
and blond haired blue eyed 6 foot tall ones....
You say that like it's a bad thing. 
Morpheus
This shit still going?
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Turquoise wrote:

Reciprocity wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

To a degree...  I think that, overall, the Democrats should have gone for an incremental approach on healthcare reform.  Also, they could've gotten a lot of support for socialized childcare.
Indoctrination!  he wants to indoctrinate our children.
True, maybe a better plan would be subsidization of childcare -- a voucher for parents to send their kids to private childcare centers.
so public schools have even less money and get even shittier.
EE (hats
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6850|North Carolina

Morpheus wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Reciprocity wrote:


Indoctrination!  he wants to indoctrinate our children.
True, maybe a better plan would be subsidization of childcare -- a voucher for parents to send their kids to private childcare centers.
so public schools have even less money and get even shittier.
Hmmm?...  Childcare funds are entirely different from school funds.
eleven bravo
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turq, everyother one of your posts starts with "True,..."  just thought you should realize that.
Tu Stultus Es
11 Bravo
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true
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6850|North Carolina

eleven bravo wrote:

turq, everyother one of your posts starts with "True,..."  just thought you should realize that.
I try to mix it up with words like "good point", "to a degree", and other concessionary phrases.  It has a diplomatic effect sometimes.

I'll try to use my thesaurus more often though.
eleven bravo
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do or do not, there is no try
Tu Stultus Es
Morpheus
This shit still going?
+508|6444|The Mitten

Turquoise wrote:

Morpheus wrote:

Turquoise wrote:


True, maybe a better plan would be subsidization of childcare -- a voucher for parents to send their kids to private childcare centers.
so public schools have even less money and get even shittier.
Hmmm?...  Childcare funds are entirely different from school funds.
Oh, whoops, missed that. Private schools still can get state money though...
Also, I've had enough of this teacher's union bullshit - my mom works for a local school district (in NJ), and they were all over the place with budget cuts & etc....
EE (hats
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6850|North Carolina

Morpheus wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Morpheus wrote:


so public schools have even less money and get even shittier.
Hmmm?...  Childcare funds are entirely different from school funds.
Oh, whoops, missed that. Private schools still can get state money though...
Also, I've had enough of this teacher's union bullshit - my mom works for a local school district (in NJ), and they were all over the place with budget cuts & etc....
So...  are you saying you dislike teacher's unions, or are you saying that the cuts represent a lack of power on the part of the unions?

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