Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7

 

2010-09-18 13:24:08
rdx-fx
...
+955|7037

JohnG@lt wrote:

Sure, and the sledge I'm pulling becomes progressively heavier as I go.

Turquoise wrote:

Well, even under the best designed system, you're likely to notice that the average person is exactly that...  average.

If you happen to be exceptionally intelligent/productive, then any system you live under will have at least somewhat of that effect.
Always some of that effect, of course. But in an efficient (sane) system, you'd spend resources in proportion to the expected return.  Spending additional resources on the underperforming students, while actively hindering the above average students, is the very definition of insanity.

eleven bravo wrote:

I was in GATE
Same here. 6th grade, I was programming Apple II computers in assembly language, discussing operating system design and electrical engineering concepts, learning basic calculus, and scoring grade 12+ on every column of their standardized test.  Things a 2nd year college student might see in an engineering degree program. (This was in the Alaskan equivalent to GATEs.)

7th and 8th grade, I was in GATEs in California. Reading Dostoyevsky, Tolstoy, The Federalist Papers, existentialist philosophers, Ayn Rand, and anything else the teacher threw at us to provoke individual critical thinking. Again, we were studying psychology, logic, English grammar & literature at a level not generally seen until college.

The point is NOT ePenis stroking here.  The point is to illustrate the insane difference between what is possible and what is common. NONE of the above topics are difficult to understand, if presented properly to an interested audience.
2010-09-18 13:25:49
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5804|London, England

rdx-fx wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Sure, and the sledge I'm pulling becomes progressively heavier as I go.

Turquoise wrote:

Well, even under the best designed system, you're likely to notice that the average person is exactly that...  average.

If you happen to be exceptionally intelligent/productive, then any system you live under will have at least somewhat of that effect.
Always some of that effect, of course. But in an efficient (sane) system, you'd spend resources in proportion to the expected return.  Spending additional resources on the underperforming students, while actively hindering the above average students, is the very definition of insanity.

eleven bravo wrote:

I was in GATE
Same here. 6th grade, I was programming Apple II computers in assembly language, discussing operating system design and electrical engineering concepts, learning basic calculus, and scoring grade 12+ on every column of their standardized test.  Things a 2nd year college student might see in an engineering degree program. (This was in the Alaskan equivalent to GATEs.)

7th and 8th grade, I was in GATEs in California. Reading Dostoyevsky, Tolstoy, The Federalist Papers, existentialist philosophers, Ayn Rand, and anything else the teacher threw at us to provoke individual critical thinking. Again, we were studying psychology, logic, English grammar & literature at a level not generally seen until college.

The point is NOT ePenis stroking here.  The point is to illustrate the insane difference between what is possible and what is common. NONE of the above topics are difficult to understand, if presented properly to an interested audience.
I would've killed to have been in a program like that. Holy shit. Did they segregate you from the rest of the population?
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
2010-09-18 13:26:58
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6851|North Carolina

JohnG@lt wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Also, I thought you hated conformity?...
I do. Now. I had a roommate in the Army from Gastonia who was older than me, 29 to my 21, who used to ask me constantly why I cared what other people thought about me. He was essentially a hermit himself. He'd have his two-liter of Coke, bag of Cool Ranch Doritos with cheese salsa, and pack of Marlboro Reds to keep him happy while he played solitaire on his laptop while watching Bill O'Reilly or Star Trek. He was a thoroughly unhappy person simply because he was back in the military after having been in the Navy previously and watching his job at a GM plant in NC evaporate. He wanted more than anything to be a rock star and became depressed when he turned 29 and was still alive and unsuccessful unlike his idols: Hendrix, Cobain and Morrison.

He watched me get used by 'friends' and watched me get dumped and eventually he made me question my obsequious nature. Why did I care if people liked me? Why did I bend over backwards in order to change my personality to fit what other people wanted? It took years for what he said to sink in but I eventually became happy with myself, who I am, and to reach a point where I'm ok with rejection. People either like me or dislike me and I don't particularly care either way anymore. I detest conformity because I detest what it made of me. It made me a tool.
There's a certain irony to your friend's nature.  He was unhappy with his life while being a nonconformist, and yet...  his dream involved being adored by millions -- the epitome of caring what others think of you.

Nevertheless, I agree with your general point here.  I think it just goes back to one simple, cynical truth...

Most people are followers.  They perform best when others guide them, and so conformity is well suited for them.  You just happen to be more of a leader, I suppose.  Nietzsche once phrased it as the ubermenschen vs. the untermenschen.  Most people are the latter.  You're the former.

But even the ubermenschen have to care somewhat of what others think of them, because if they didn't, then they wouldn't be good leaders.
2010-09-18 13:28:20
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5804|London, England

Turquoise wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Also, I thought you hated conformity?...
I do. Now. I had a roommate in the Army from Gastonia who was older than me, 29 to my 21, who used to ask me constantly why I cared what other people thought about me. He was essentially a hermit himself. He'd have his two-liter of Coke, bag of Cool Ranch Doritos with cheese salsa, and pack of Marlboro Reds to keep him happy while he played solitaire on his laptop while watching Bill O'Reilly or Star Trek. He was a thoroughly unhappy person simply because he was back in the military after having been in the Navy previously and watching his job at a GM plant in NC evaporate. He wanted more than anything to be a rock star and became depressed when he turned 29 and was still alive and unsuccessful unlike his idols: Hendrix, Cobain and Morrison.

He watched me get used by 'friends' and watched me get dumped and eventually he made me question my obsequious nature. Why did I care if people liked me? Why did I bend over backwards in order to change my personality to fit what other people wanted? It took years for what he said to sink in but I eventually became happy with myself, who I am, and to reach a point where I'm ok with rejection. People either like me or dislike me and I don't particularly care either way anymore. I detest conformity because I detest what it made of me. It made me a tool.
There's a certain irony to your friend's nature.  He was unhappy with his life while being a nonconformist, and yet...  his dream involved being adored by millions -- the epitome of caring what others think of you.

Nevertheless, I agree with your general point here.  I think it just goes back to one simple, cynical truth...

Most people are followers.  They perform best when others guide them, and so conformity is well suited for them.  You just happen to be more of a leader, I suppose.  Nietzsche once phrased it as the ubermenschen vs. the untermenschen.  Most people are the latter.  You're the former.

But even the ubermenschen have to care somewhat of what others think of them, because if they didn't, then they wouldn't be good leaders.
Ha, you're missing the middle road that Rand described. The individualists who wish to neither lead nor follow.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
2010-09-18 13:29:42
13urnzz
Banned
+5,830|6943

JohnG@lt wrote:

Ha, you're missing the middle road that Rand described. The individualists who wish to neither lead nor follow.
burnzz shrugged.
2010-09-18 13:30:31
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6851|North Carolina

JohnG@lt wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:


I do. Now. I had a roommate in the Army from Gastonia who was older than me, 29 to my 21, who used to ask me constantly why I cared what other people thought about me. He was essentially a hermit himself. He'd have his two-liter of Coke, bag of Cool Ranch Doritos with cheese salsa, and pack of Marlboro Reds to keep him happy while he played solitaire on his laptop while watching Bill O'Reilly or Star Trek. He was a thoroughly unhappy person simply because he was back in the military after having been in the Navy previously and watching his job at a GM plant in NC evaporate. He wanted more than anything to be a rock star and became depressed when he turned 29 and was still alive and unsuccessful unlike his idols: Hendrix, Cobain and Morrison.

He watched me get used by 'friends' and watched me get dumped and eventually he made me question my obsequious nature. Why did I care if people liked me? Why did I bend over backwards in order to change my personality to fit what other people wanted? It took years for what he said to sink in but I eventually became happy with myself, who I am, and to reach a point where I'm ok with rejection. People either like me or dislike me and I don't particularly care either way anymore. I detest conformity because I detest what it made of me. It made me a tool.
There's a certain irony to your friend's nature.  He was unhappy with his life while being a nonconformist, and yet...  his dream involved being adored by millions -- the epitome of caring what others think of you.

Nevertheless, I agree with your general point here.  I think it just goes back to one simple, cynical truth...

Most people are followers.  They perform best when others guide them, and so conformity is well suited for them.  You just happen to be more of a leader, I suppose.  Nietzsche once phrased it as the ubermenschen vs. the untermenschen.  Most people are the latter.  You're the former.

But even the ubermenschen have to care somewhat of what others think of them, because if they didn't, then they wouldn't be good leaders.
Ha, you're missing the middle road that Rand described. The individualists who wish to neither lead nor follow.
Individualism is fine and well, and it describes me better than the other 2 as well, but we're more or less forced to lean one way or another in both our private and public lives.

In business, you're usually either a cog in a wheel or a manager -- or sometimes both.

Individualism seems more like an introspective thing in modern society.
2010-09-18 13:34:47
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5804|London, England

Turquoise wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Turquoise wrote:


There's a certain irony to your friend's nature.  He was unhappy with his life while being a nonconformist, and yet...  his dream involved being adored by millions -- the epitome of caring what others think of you.

Nevertheless, I agree with your general point here.  I think it just goes back to one simple, cynical truth...

Most people are followers.  They perform best when others guide them, and so conformity is well suited for them.  You just happen to be more of a leader, I suppose.  Nietzsche once phrased it as the ubermenschen vs. the untermenschen.  Most people are the latter.  You're the former.

But even the ubermenschen have to care somewhat of what others think of them, because if they didn't, then they wouldn't be good leaders.
Ha, you're missing the middle road that Rand described. The individualists who wish to neither lead nor follow.
Individualism is fine and well, and it describes me better than the other 2 as well, but we're more or less forced to lean one way or another in both our private and public lives.

In business, you're usually either a cog in a wheel or a manager -- or sometimes both.

Individualism seems more like an introspective thing in modern society.
No offense, but you hardly fit the individual model... You sway back and forth on issues like a leaf in the wind. Pragmatism is the very definition of conformity and conformity makes one a follower.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
2010-09-18 13:35:19
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5804|London, England

Hunter/Jumper wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Race to the Top is one of the few things that I agree with Obama on, and I only agree because it punched the Teachers Union in the mouth here in New York.
fcuk you Moron
Are you a teacher?
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
2010-09-18 13:36:45
rdx-fx
...
+955|7037

JohnG@lt wrote:

I would've killed to have been in a program like that. Holy shit. Did they segregate you from the rest of the population?
Same school as everyone else. spent the last 1/2 to 1/3rd of the school day in a different classroom.
California, it was on the far east side of the school grounds.  Alaska, it was in a couple of rooms in the back of the library.

In the Alaskan elementary school program, there were 12 of us out of a total school population of around 400.
So, about 3% of the kids in the school.
Not exactly being flown out to Area 51 for sekret sqwirrl skool, but also a long ways from the common denominator.
2010-09-18 13:38:35
13urnzz
Banned
+5,830|6943

rdx-fx wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

I would've killed to have been in a program like that. Holy shit. Did they segregate you from the rest of the population?
Same school as everyone else. spent the last 1/2 to 1/3rd of the school day in a different classroom.
California, it was on the far east side of the school grounds.  Alaska, it was in a couple of rooms in the back of the library.
they kept putting me in a higher grade. it was hard to keep friendships . . .
2010-09-18 13:39:47
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5804|London, England

rdx-fx wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

I would've killed to have been in a program like that. Holy shit. Did they segregate you from the rest of the population?
Same school as everyone else. spent the last 1/2 to 1/3rd of the school day in a different classroom.
California, it was on the far east side of the school grounds.  Alaska, it was in a couple of rooms in the back of the library.

In the Alaskan elementary school program, there were 12 of us out of a total school population of around 400.
So, about 3% of the kids in the school.
Not exactly being flown out to Area 51 for sekret sqwirrl skool, but also a long ways from the common denominator.
I got placed in advanced classes from first grade on but in sixth grade I fell in with a group of kids who dragged me down to their level... general population. I got tired of being made fun of for being in the smart kids class on the bus etc. Getting out of public school and into private school for high school was the best thing that ever happened to me. If I had continued down the path I was on I probably would've dropped out.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
2010-09-18 13:43:01
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6851|North Carolina

JohnG@lt wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:


Ha, you're missing the middle road that Rand described. The individualists who wish to neither lead nor follow.
Individualism is fine and well, and it describes me better than the other 2 as well, but we're more or less forced to lean one way or another in both our private and public lives.

In business, you're usually either a cog in a wheel or a manager -- or sometimes both.

Individualism seems more like an introspective thing in modern society.
No offense, but you hardly fit the individual model... You sway back and forth on issues like a leaf in the wind. Pragmatism is the very definition of conformity and conformity makes one a follower.
Most leaders are ideologues in rhetoric, but pragmatists in practice.

That's basically how I live.  I can support a given idea under certain conditions, but when it comes down to it, the situation dictates behavior.

I will follow someone's lead if it makes sense and satisfies my interests, but if things change in either respect, I'll change as well.

Sometimes, leading is most practical.  Sometimes, following is.  I don't restrict myself to either.  That probably makes me individualist in some respects at least.
2010-09-18 13:43:16
Trotskygrad
бля
+354|6445|Vortex Ring State

rdx-fx wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Sure, and the sledge I'm pulling becomes progressively heavier as I go.

Turquoise wrote:

Well, even under the best designed system, you're likely to notice that the average person is exactly that...  average.

If you happen to be exceptionally intelligent/productive, then any system you live under will have at least somewhat of that effect.
Always some of that effect, of course. But in an efficient (sane) system, you'd spend resources in proportion to the expected return.  Spending additional resources on the underperforming students, while actively hindering the above average students, is the very definition of insanity.

eleven bravo wrote:

I was in GATE
Same here. 6th grade, I was programming Apple II computers in assembly language, discussing operating system design and electrical engineering concepts, learning basic calculus, and scoring grade 12+ on every column of their standardized test.  Things a 2nd year college student might see in an engineering degree program. (This was in the Alaskan equivalent to GATEs.)

7th and 8th grade, I was in GATEs in California. Reading Dostoyevsky, Tolstoy, The Federalist Papers, existentialist philosophers, Ayn Rand, and anything else the teacher threw at us to provoke individual critical thinking. Again, we were studying psychology, logic, English grammar & literature at a level not generally seen until college.

The point is NOT ePenis stroking here.  The point is to illustrate the insane difference between what is possible and what is common. NONE of the above topics are difficult to understand, if presented properly to an interested audience.
I read Dostoyevsky in Grade 8, but it was on my own accord... And I was scripting stuff in AppleScript in Gr. 7/8.

But I will say that most of the shit that is presented as gifted education before Gr. 7/8 is bullshit in terms of value, as I didn't remember shit from the G/T programs that I took in Grs 4/5/6 when in HS.
2010-09-18 13:43:23
Hunter/Jumper
Member
+117|6800

JohnG@lt wrote:

Hunter/Jumper wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Race to the Top is one of the few things that I agree with Obama on, and I only agree because it punched the Teachers Union in the mouth here in New York.
fcuk you Moron
Are you a teacher?
lol No Just ~ funnin Son
2010-09-18 13:44:40
rdx-fx
...
+955|7037

JohnG@lt wrote:

Race to the Top is one of the few things that I agree with Obama on, and I only agree because it punched the Teachers Union in the mouth here in New York.

Hunter/Jumper wrote:

fcuk you Moron

JohnG@lt wrote:

Are you a teacher?
Fucking brilliant!




Idea for a bumper sticker, there;

If you can read this, thank a teacher.  If you can't, kick the Secretary of Education in the nuts!
2010-09-18 13:48:04
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5804|London, England

Trotskygrad wrote:

rdx-fx wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Sure, and the sledge I'm pulling becomes progressively heavier as I go.

Turquoise wrote:

Well, even under the best designed system, you're likely to notice that the average person is exactly that...  average.

If you happen to be exceptionally intelligent/productive, then any system you live under will have at least somewhat of that effect.
Always some of that effect, of course. But in an efficient (sane) system, you'd spend resources in proportion to the expected return.  Spending additional resources on the underperforming students, while actively hindering the above average students, is the very definition of insanity.

eleven bravo wrote:

I was in GATE
Same here. 6th grade, I was programming Apple II computers in assembly language, discussing operating system design and electrical engineering concepts, learning basic calculus, and scoring grade 12+ on every column of their standardized test.  Things a 2nd year college student might see in an engineering degree program. (This was in the Alaskan equivalent to GATEs.)

7th and 8th grade, I was in GATEs in California. Reading Dostoyevsky, Tolstoy, The Federalist Papers, existentialist philosophers, Ayn Rand, and anything else the teacher threw at us to provoke individual critical thinking. Again, we were studying psychology, logic, English grammar & literature at a level not generally seen until college.

The point is NOT ePenis stroking here.  The point is to illustrate the insane difference between what is possible and what is common. NONE of the above topics are difficult to understand, if presented properly to an interested audience.
I read Dostoyevsky in Grade 8, but it was on my own accord... And I was scripting stuff in AppleScript in Gr. 7/8.

But I will say that most of the shit that is presented as gifted education before Gr. 7/8 is bullshit in terms of value, as I didn't remember shit from the G/T programs that I took in Grs 4/5/6 when in HS.
I was reading thick tomes on history in 2nd grade Nothing like a good war story to get me interested. I could've taught a college level American History class by the third grade. I wrote my first computer program in QBASIC when I was 8 on a 286 that my dad bought me. I was suspended in middle school because I told my computer teacher she was an idiot for wasting our time having us do ASCII art as a way of teaching us to type. She called me an arrogant prick.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
2010-09-18 13:49:31
Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|7162
my middle school to 10th grade years were boring as shit.
https://cache.www.gametracker.com/server_info/203.46.105.23:21300/b_350_20_692108_381007_FFFFFF_000000.png
2010-09-18 13:50:51
Morpheus
This shit still going?
+508|6445|The Mitten

JohnG@lt wrote:

Trotskygrad wrote:

rdx-fx wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Sure, and the sledge I'm pulling becomes progressively heavier as I go.

Turquoise wrote:

Well, even under the best designed system, you're likely to notice that the average person is exactly that...  average.

If you happen to be exceptionally intelligent/productive, then any system you live under will have at least somewhat of that effect.
Always some of that effect, of course. But in an efficient (sane) system, you'd spend resources in proportion to the expected return.  Spending additional resources on the underperforming students, while actively hindering the above average students, is the very definition of insanity.


Same here. 6th grade, I was programming Apple II computers in assembly language, discussing operating system design and electrical engineering concepts, learning basic calculus, and scoring grade 12+ on every column of their standardized test.  Things a 2nd year college student might see in an engineering degree program. (This was in the Alaskan equivalent to GATEs.)

7th and 8th grade, I was in GATEs in California. Reading Dostoyevsky, Tolstoy, The Federalist Papers, existentialist philosophers, Ayn Rand, and anything else the teacher threw at us to provoke individual critical thinking. Again, we were studying psychology, logic, English grammar & literature at a level not generally seen until college.

The point is NOT ePenis stroking here.  The point is to illustrate the insane difference between what is possible and what is common. NONE of the above topics are difficult to understand, if presented properly to an interested audience.
I read Dostoyevsky in Grade 8, but it was on my own accord... And I was scripting stuff in AppleScript in Gr. 7/8.

But I will say that most of the shit that is presented as gifted education before Gr. 7/8 is bullshit in terms of value, as I didn't remember shit from the G/T programs that I took in Grs 4/5/6 when in HS.
I was reading thick tomes on history in 2nd grade Nothing like a good war story to get me interested. I could've taught a college level American History class by the third grade. I wrote my first computer program in QBASIC when I was 8 on a 286 that my dad bought me. I was suspended in middle school because I told my computer teacher she was an idiot for wasting our time having us do ASCII art as a way of teaching us to type. She called me an arrogant prick.
ASCII art is pretty fuckin stupid.

I was in an advanced(gifted&talented style) reading/writing class in 3rd grade... but since I'm lazy, i couldn't be bothered to do the homework.
Never had (and still don't) have any problem reading anything (unless it's boring shit like Twilight), but couldn't ever get the writing part down.
I went into the 'regular' advanced class the next year.
Same with math.
EE (hats
2010-09-18 13:53:17
Reciprocity
Member
+721|7027|the dank(super) side of Oregon
this thead is humorous
2010-09-18 13:55:02
Morpheus
This shit still going?
+508|6445|The Mitten

Reciprocity wrote:

this thead is humorous
Isn't that the bone inside your arm?
See what I learnt in public school?

Last edited by Morpheus (2010-09-18 13:55:46)

EE (hats
2010-09-18 13:55:30
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5804|London, England

Morpheus wrote:

ASCII art is pretty fuckin stupid.

I was in an advanced(gifted&talented style) reading/writing class in 3rd grade... but since I'm lazy, i couldn't be bothered to do the homework.
Never had (and still don't) have any problem reading anything (unless it's boring shit like Twilight), but couldn't ever get the writing part down.
I went into the 'regular' advanced class the next year.
Same with math.
Writing is easy, I just tended to find whatever the teacher assigned as a topic to be boring. Don't even get me started on the teachers who wanted papers to be written to a certain length. Christ I hated them more than anyone. Yeah, assign me a ten page paper breaking down a poem line by line. I gives a fuck, really. I had this one teacher in high school who would give me a C on a paper with the word CONCISE scrawled across the top because I said in two pages what he wanted said in ten. Am I Charles Dickens? Do I get paid by the word?
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
2010-09-18 13:55:41
eleven bravo
Member
+1,399|5705|foggy bottom

rdx-fx wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Sure, and the sledge I'm pulling becomes progressively heavier as I go.

Turquoise wrote:

Well, even under the best designed system, you're likely to notice that the average person is exactly that...  average.

If you happen to be exceptionally intelligent/productive, then any system you live under will have at least somewhat of that effect.
Always some of that effect, of course. But in an efficient (sane) system, you'd spend resources in proportion to the expected return.  Spending additional resources on the underperforming students, while actively hindering the above average students, is the very definition of insanity.

eleven bravo wrote:

I was in GATE
Same here. 6th grade, I was programming Apple II computers in assembly language, discussing operating system design and electrical engineering concepts, learning basic calculus, and scoring grade 12+ on every column of their standardized test.  Things a 2nd year college student might see in an engineering degree program. (This was in the Alaskan equivalent to GATEs.)

7th and 8th grade, I was in GATEs in California. Reading Dostoyevsky, Tolstoy, The Federalist Papers, existentialist philosophers, Ayn Rand, and anything else the teacher threw at us to provoke individual critical thinking. Again, we were studying psychology, logic, English grammar & literature at a level not generally seen until college.

The point is NOT ePenis stroking here.  The point is to illustrate the insane difference between what is possible and what is common. NONE of the above topics are difficult to understand, if presented properly to an interested audience.
I remember having to do a presentation on NAFTA in the 4th grade.

its really sad that I knew more about it then than most people my age know about it now.
Tu Stultus Es
2010-09-18 13:58:33
Reciprocity
Member
+721|7027|the dank(super) side of Oregon

Morpheus wrote:

Reciprocity wrote:

this thead is humorous
Isn't that the bone inside your arm?
See what I learnt in public school?
humerus....you damned conformist.
2010-09-18 13:59:06
rdx-fx
...
+955|7037

Trotskygrad wrote:

But I will say that most of the shit that is presented as gifted education before Gr. 7/8 is bullshit in terms of value, as I didn't remember shit from the G/T programs that I took in Grs 4/5/6 when in HS.
I think the most valuable aspect of it was in removing that artificial horizon of 'oh, that's too hard for you to understand'.

When you're in grade school and someone guides you through ostensibly impossibly obtuse texts for the first time, forever after that you're no longer afraid of learning at any level.  After that, you can teach yourself pretty much anything you desire to learn. That is a good teacher.

Last edited by rdx-fx (2010-09-18 14:03:54)

2010-09-18 13:59:18
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5804|London, England

eleven bravo wrote:

I remember having to do a presentation on NAFTA in the 4th grade.

its really sad that I knew more about it then than most people my age know about it now.
Why on earth did you join the army? That question includes RDX too.

Last edited by JohnG@lt (2010-09-18 14:01:01)

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

 

Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7

Board footer

Privacy Policy - © 2025 Jeff Minard