Yup, and that's not even a particularly pessimistic view, its just realistic.Acerider wrote:
That's also a really good point. It's funny, now that I think of it, an alien species waging war on us might be the best way to preserve humanity. Give humanity a common goal and an enemy we don't understand and can't reason with, and every country will stop doing selfish stuff and start working together. We can't destory ourselves if we're working together for the good of the planet. I think our civilization is advancing too early. We're developing all this weaponry and stuff, and after a while we only have one target we can use it on. Us.
Yes, funny how often the two coincide. Life is boring, the boring theories are often true. I like how, when asked "Wwell, maybe technology is the problem?", governments and people usually respond with "Well, if it weren't for technology, our lives would be worse and other more powerful people would make our lives miserable." I could point out that the poorest and most abused countries in the world have the happiest and most religiously devoted people... But. I like how people who think technology is our greatest achievement never consider that there are some problems we wouldn't have to worry about if we advanced technologically only as far as needed to make life significantly easier, and then stopped. Because, sometimes the best defence is staying out of someone elses way, and only resorting to war if your being unjustly treated. Now, when you tell people what I just said, they usually think/respond with :"Well, have fun in slavery when an ambitious and merciless alien race comes along". Well. Like you just said Jord, the universe is infinite. Using standard theories, there is always the probability that there is a much more advanced race than ours out there, and it's just a matter of time until one such race declares war on us, or until we provoke em'. And even if we win, it'll just happen again with another race. Until we do not win. So, no matter how much we advance in the technology sector, we have an expiry date, and we can only smudge it out once. So, just staying out of the way of another alien race might be better than building up massive armies and weapons. Wwe may not even be significant to them, it's unlikely they'll have any of the same views or habits as us.jord wrote:
Yup, and that's not even a particularly pessimistic view, its just realistic.Acerider wrote:
That's also a really good point. It's funny, now that I think of it, an alien species waging war on us might be the best way to preserve humanity. Give humanity a common goal and an enemy we don't understand and can't reason with, and every country will stop doing selfish stuff and start working together. We can't destory ourselves if we're working together for the good of the planet. I think our civilization is advancing too early. We're developing all this weaponry and stuff, and after a while we only have one target we can use it on. Us.
Said and done, though, I think technologies a good thing, but stockpiling weaponry and with nothing to use it on could lead to a disatrous civil war.
In a perfect world, we'd have vehicles and equipment that could all be stored away until we need it, and when we do, we could just remotely activate it instantly.
Happiness is just perspective. People think others should be happy because "kids in africa are starving, people are being tortured in burma,etc". People in the west can't empathize with that. You're right technology doesn't make us magically happier despite making our lives easier than past generations.Acerider wrote:
Yes, funny how often the two coincide. Life is boring, the boring theories are often true. I like how, when asked "Wwell, maybe technology is the problem?", governments and people usually respond with "Well, if it weren't for technology, our lives would be worse and other more powerful people would make our lives miserable." I could point out that the poorest and most abused countries in the world have the happiest and most religiously devoted people... But. I like how people who think technology is our greatest achievement never consider that there are some problems we wouldn't have to worry about if we advanced technologically only as far as needed to make life significantly easier, and then stopped. Because, sometimes the best defence is staying out of someone elses way, and only resorting to war if your being unjustly treated. Now, when you tell people what I just said, they usually think/respond with :"Well, have fun in slavery when an ambitious and merciless alien race comes along". Well. Like you just said Jord, the universe is infinite. Using standard theories, there is always the probability that there is a much more advanced race than ours out there, and it's just a matter of time until one such race declares war on us, or until we provoke em'. And even if we win, it'll just happen again with another race. Until we do not win. So, no matter how much we advance in the technology sector, we have an expiry date, and we can only smudge it out once. So, just staying out of the way of another alien race might be better than building up massive armies and weapons. Wwe may not even be significant to them, it's unlikely they'll have any of the same views or habits as us.jord wrote:
Yup, and that's not even a particularly pessimistic view, its just realistic.Acerider wrote:
That's also a really good point. It's funny, now that I think of it, an alien species waging war on us might be the best way to preserve humanity. Give humanity a common goal and an enemy we don't understand and can't reason with, and every country will stop doing selfish stuff and start working together. We can't destory ourselves if we're working together for the good of the planet. I think our civilization is advancing too early. We're developing all this weaponry and stuff, and after a while we only have one target we can use it on. Us.
Said and done, though, I think technologies a good thing, but stockpiling weaponry and with nothing to use it on could lead to a disatrous civil war.
In a perfect world, we'd have vehicles and equipment that could all be stored away until we need it, and when we do, we could just remotely activate it instantly.
Ii don't think there's any sense in preparing for a war with Aliens nor in stockpiliing weapons, they'll be obsolete.
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What if we are the most advanced species in the universe? While the perceivable universe may be spatially infinite, the amount of planets and stars in the universe are not infinite. If this is the case, we may woefully ponder on supreme alien races until the end of the universe, only coming across less advanced species.
I sincerely doubt we're the most advanced species in the universe, it's just far too vast for that to sound plausible to me. Of course this is all just speculation and thoughts, nobody really knows.Superior Mind wrote:
What if we are the most advanced species in the universe? While the perceivable universe may be spatially infinite, the amount of planets and stars in the universe are not infinite. If this is the case, we may woefully ponder on supreme alien races until the end of the universe, only coming across less advanced species.
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Possible but not probable. I do think we're quite advanced though, more than people would assume. I think there are species out there that have nailed things like faster than light travel and all sorts of crazy shit, it's just that the universe is so big, and they are so relatively small that even they aren't much in the grand scheme of things.Superior Mind wrote:
What if we are the most advanced species in the universe? While the perceivable universe may be spatially infinite, the amount of planets and stars in the universe are not infinite. If this is the case, we may woefully ponder on supreme alien races until the end of the universe, only coming across less advanced species.
That's what I think, in other words even the most advanced of species are nothing to the universe.
Has anyone ever thought about, why the universe must be so gigantic? Surely it must serve some purpose for it being so big.
Faster than like speed travel isn't possible.Mekstizzle wrote:
Possible but not probable. I do think we're quite advanced though, more than people would assume. I think there are species out there that have nailed things like faster than light travel and all sorts of crazy shit, it's just that the universe is so big, and they are so relatively small that even they aren't much in the grand scheme of things.Superior Mind wrote:
What if we are the most advanced species in the universe? While the perceivable universe may be spatially infinite, the amount of planets and stars in the universe are not infinite. If this is the case, we may woefully ponder on supreme alien races until the end of the universe, only coming across less advanced species.
That's what I think, in other words even the most advanced of species are nothing to the universe.
Yes it is. It totally is. Black holes are so dense that they suck in light, light cannot escape a black hole (that's why it's black hur dur), so the light has to be acted upon a force greater than the speed of light, otherwise the black hole would not be black. Geddit?jord wrote:
Faster than like speed travel isn't possible.
also, tachyon's move faster than light
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hhhmm.. before we contemplate the possibility of life of other planets, lets first decide - what is life?
SamTheMan wrote:
hhhmm.. before we contemplate the possibility of life of other planets, lets first decide - what is life?
for a fatty you're a serious intellectual lightweight.
Life (cf. biota) is a characteristic that distinguishes objects that have signaling and self-sustaining processes (biology) from those that do not,[1][2] either because such functions have ceased (death), or else because they lack such functions and are classified as inanimate.[3]SamTheMan wrote:
hhhmm.. before we contemplate the possibility of life of other planets, lets first decide - what is life?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life
good answer, troll.Camm wrote:
SamTheMan wrote:
hhhmm.. before we contemplate the possibility of life of other planets, lets first decide - what is life?
Get a life Sam.
there's that word again, but do we really know what it means?AussieReaper wrote:
Get a life Sam.
I'll bite. How is faster than the speed of light travel possible for us? Drive into the nearest black hole?AussieReaper wrote:
Yes it is. It totally is. Black holes are so dense that they suck in light, light cannot escape a black hole (that's why it's black hur dur), so the light has to be acted upon a force greater than the speed of light, otherwise the black hole would not be black. Geddit?jord wrote:
Faster than like speed travel isn't possible.
also, tachyon's move faster than light
Well in theory they'd like to use wormholes. Technically you aren't going faster than light, however you do get quicker at the same destination than light.jord wrote:
I'll bite. How is faster than the speed of light travel possible for us? Drive into the nearest black hole?AussieReaper wrote:
Yes it is. It totally is. Black holes are so dense that they suck in light, light cannot escape a black hole (that's why it's black hur dur), so the light has to be acted upon a force greater than the speed of light, otherwise the black hole would not be black. Geddit?jord wrote:
Faster than like speed travel isn't possible.
also, tachyon's move faster than light
you are so unbelievably lame.SamTheMan wrote:
there's that word again, but do we really know what it means?AussieReaper wrote:
Get a life Sam.
for a fatty you're a serious intellectual lightweight.
thats it, use personal insults because you dont know the answer
Or I dunno, into a worm hole?jord wrote:
I'll bite. How is faster than the speed of light travel possible for us? Drive into the nearest black hole?AussieReaper wrote:
Yes it is. It totally is. Black holes are so dense that they suck in light, light cannot escape a black hole (that's why it's black hur dur), so the light has to be acted upon a force greater than the speed of light, otherwise the black hole would not be black. Geddit?jord wrote:
Faster than like speed travel isn't possible.
also, tachyon's move faster than light
That was my point before, you can never technically go faster than light. You can go 99.999999999999* the speed of light though.RDMC wrote:
Well in theory they'd like to use wormholes. Technically you aren't going faster than light, however you do get quicker at the same destination than light.jord wrote:
I'll bite. How is faster than the speed of light travel possible for us? Drive into the nearest black hole?AussieReaper wrote:
Yes it is. It totally is. Black holes are so dense that they suck in light, light cannot escape a black hole (that's why it's black hur dur), so the light has to be acted upon a force greater than the speed of light, otherwise the black hole would not be black. Geddit?
also, tachyon's move faster than light
Who truly knows eh?AussieReaper wrote:
Or I dunno, into a worm hole?jord wrote:
I'll bite. How is faster than the speed of light travel possible for us? Drive into the nearest black hole?AussieReaper wrote:
Yes it is. It totally is. Black holes are so dense that they suck in light, light cannot escape a black hole (that's why it's black hur dur), so the light has to be acted upon a force greater than the speed of light, otherwise the black hole would not be black. Geddit?
also, tachyon's move faster than light
Ah there's no point getting into that technicality, yeah we're pretty sure you can't physically travel faster than light speed but like aussienigga said it's not necessarily about doing that, it's about getting there quicker than light speed. I can't be bothered to say jumping and bending through spacetime or some weird shit like that.jord wrote:
That was my point before, you can never technically go faster than light. You can go 99.999999999999* the speed of light though.RDMC wrote:
Well in theory they'd like to use wormholes. Technically you aren't going faster than light, however you do get quicker at the same destination than light.jord wrote:
I'll bite. How is faster than the speed of light travel possible for us? Drive into the nearest black hole?
Multiple dimensions are hard to speculate about. Sorry for being obvious. Though, the best explanation offered is probably the one in "A wrinkle in Time".Mekstizzle wrote:
Ah there's no point getting into that technicality, yeah we're pretty sure you can't physically travel faster than light speed but like aussienigga said it's not necessarily about doing that, it's about getting there quicker than light speed. I can't be bothered to say jumping and bending through spacetime or some weird shit like that.jord wrote:
That was my point before, you can never technically go faster than light. You can go 99.999999999999* the speed of light though.RDMC wrote:
Well in theory they'd like to use wormholes. Technically you aren't going faster than light, however you do get quicker at the same destination than light.
nope, you got it backwards. debating with an atheist is like trying to argue about how to solve a mathematical program with a 6 year old. they simply don't have the knowledge to understand or the will to understand.Ultrafunkula wrote:
Said it before and I say it again.
Debating with a highly religious person is like playing chess with a pigeon. The birds knocks down all the pieces, shits on the board and flies home to brag about how he won.
It's pointless. They're so brainwashed with their stuff that they refuse to even consider otherwise even if the proof is sitting right there in front of them. Earth 10k years old... pff... I'm going to take a morning dump.
it's pointless, atheists and anti-religous people are so brainwashed with sterotypes and religous people worshipping some little man in the clouds that they refuse to consider what it actually means to be religous.
you're a perfect example, nobody said the world is only 10k years old, and the christian church doesn't believe in that. in fact, the christian church doesn't deny the theory of evolution. its called symbolism bro:
"The Bible is not fundamentally a work of science," he said. "It is a letter of love that God has written to his people, in a language that was used 2,000-3,000 years ago. Obviously, at that time a concept like the big bang was totally extraneous."
who said God is considered as life?AussieReaper wrote:
If the only life is on Earth, but God exists and is real, where is He?-Sh1fty- wrote:
uriteUltrafunkula wrote:
He doesn't have to. God told some yokel to write that in a book and that's proof enough, amirite?
FYI, just because it says there's only life on Earth, doesn't mean I wouldn't think it's freaking cool if we had some neighbors.
Surely God is alive... right? Must exist somewhere, right?
Doesn't the all life in the universe in on Earth contradict the point that God exists? Unless God is on Earth, right?
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