>Sigh< I'm beginning to think even the clinically diagnosed sociopaths borderline-personality-disorder patients don't like to have their good name besmirched by association with the Taliban.
Oh, well, anyways, here we go...
Fear, coercion, domination by threats of violence, rape, mutilation, disfigurement.
These aren't tools of manipulation?
On what fucking planet are these tactics those of a legitimate government?
(Before Dilbert pipes up with an answer, note the word legitimate in there. If he pipes up with "Israel and the USA!", then he is implying they are, indeed, legitimate governments)
Sounds like a homicidal sociopath there...
"They're the Righteous, and everyone else exists only at their mercy and whim."
Typical humans are social creatures. Our history of civilization is that of the normal citizen working within a social group (a civilization), respecting the laws of the land, respecting others property and person. If the majority of people were not like this, civilization couldn't exist.
"Reread"?
Really now.. Let me walk you through a rereading of the above quote. I'll underline the hard bits for you;
(hint: condescension met with condescension)
"Usually has a history of behavioral and academic difficulties, yet "gets by" by conning others. Problems in making and keeping friends; aberrant behaviors such as cruelty to people or animals, stealing, etc."
Taliban Madrassas teach but three things: Hate towards Infidels, Xenophobia, and the selected words of Muhammed and the Koran. Selected meaning 'only the hateful, xenophobic, cruel, vicious, Jihadi bits'. They are a gross perversion of what a classical madrassa is supposed to be. They are for people that either cannot summon the discipline for 'boring' conventional education, or aren't given the choice. Violence, hate, action - all great educational tools for those with borderline personalities and ADHD/ADD.
"Abberant behaviors, such as cruelty to people" -
have we mentioned their fondness for skipping straight to extreme punishments, rather than more measured approaches? yes? a couple times now? good.
Have we mentioned their violence, cruelty, perversion, and generally aberrant behavior, outside the norm of accepted civilized behavior? yes? a couple times now? good.
The point that has been previously made, in less direct wording, is that the Taliban's interpretation of Islam is about 1400 years behind the rest of humanity in ethical and legal development. They are still in the dark ages, and wish to bring the rest of the world back into those dark ages.
I interpreted his "cuz he is one and thinks he is smart " as a rather insightful jab at your expense, implying that even the probable clinical sociopaths (you) don't like being associated with the Taliban. Harsh, yes. True? hopefully not entirely.
I think we're done here.
Oh, well, anyways, here we go...
Macbeth wrote:
The Taliban's control over the civilians isn't manipulation or conning at all.
Really?Macbeth wrote:
They were considered largely legitimate and their actions had the sanction of a lot of people in the country.
Fear, coercion, domination by threats of violence, rape, mutilation, disfigurement.
These aren't tools of manipulation?
On what fucking planet are these tactics those of a legitimate government?
(Before Dilbert pipes up with an answer, note the word legitimate in there. If he pipes up with "Israel and the USA!", then he is implying they are, indeed, legitimate governments)
Right. so kidnapping and killing her is perfectly acceptable. No need to tell her to leave, no need to deport her, no need to grab her and escort her to the border. Nah, peaceful civilian female, there to help the poor have a better life (not teaching religion, not forcing western values, not a member of the US military).. kill her. that's the only option.Macbeth wrote:
She was an aid worker who was on-Muslim and non-afghan who was operating in a country which is filled with Muslims who didn't want to see her or her type there.
Sounds like a homicidal sociopath there...
oh, right. Because it may be loosely based on the scribblings in a holy book, as interpreted by a semi-literate homicidal maniac, it's all okay. Right, right. "Your Honor, I am NOT guilty of these murders, as it is written in my Bible that I shall stone someone to death for Adultery. Soz all okay, lulz."Macbeth wrote:
They are religious people. The vast majority of religious people find justification for their actions through religion.
"They're the Righteous, and everyone else exists only at their mercy and whim."
No, that is NOT "typical human nature".Macbeth wrote:
That's typical human nature and a common act idea of every religious group to some extent.
Typical humans are social creatures. Our history of civilization is that of the normal citizen working within a social group (a civilization), respecting the laws of the land, respecting others property and person. If the majority of people were not like this, civilization couldn't exist.
Again, as above. NOT the acts of civilized people. Not ethical. And, again, an example of extreme behavior skipping over all of the more rational, sane, measured responses available. Y'know, like jail time, penalties, fees, a stern warning, probation.Macbeth wrote:
As for the honor killings: cultural act practiced everywhere in the world at one point or another.
Sociopath Definition wrote:
Usually has a history of behavioral and academic difficulties, yet "gets by" by conning others. Problems in making and keeping friends; aberrant behaviors such as cruelty to people or animals, stealing, etc.
"'Educashun? we don't need no stinkin' educashun! Madrassas teaching violent Islam, and memorizing parts of the Koran is all the edukashun we need!'"Macbeth wrote:
Seriously? You really twisted the meaning of that point. Reread the point a few times and tell me how it fits with people not wanting any sort of formal Western style of education and instead preferring their religious education which has been the area norm for a very long time.
"Reread"?
Really now.. Let me walk you through a rereading of the above quote. I'll underline the hard bits for you;
(hint: condescension met with condescension)
"Usually has a history of behavioral and academic difficulties, yet "gets by" by conning others. Problems in making and keeping friends; aberrant behaviors such as cruelty to people or animals, stealing, etc."
Taliban Madrassas teach but three things: Hate towards Infidels, Xenophobia, and the selected words of Muhammed and the Koran. Selected meaning 'only the hateful, xenophobic, cruel, vicious, Jihadi bits'. They are a gross perversion of what a classical madrassa is supposed to be. They are for people that either cannot summon the discipline for 'boring' conventional education, or aren't given the choice. Violence, hate, action - all great educational tools for those with borderline personalities and ADHD/ADD.
"Abberant behaviors, such as cruelty to people" -
have we mentioned their fondness for skipping straight to extreme punishments, rather than more measured approaches? yes? a couple times now? good.
Have we mentioned their violence, cruelty, perversion, and generally aberrant behavior, outside the norm of accepted civilized behavior? yes? a couple times now? good.
Nope.Macbeth wrote:
Part 2. Fuck it. I read the other one and you've totally twisted diagnostic criteria of those to fit some anti-Islamic sentiment. You've totally missed the point of each of them while also forgetting the history of the world for the past 3,000 years.
- Actually copied the diagnostic explanations from elsewhere.
- Made sure to be clear on the point that I was not targeting all of Islam, but only the Taliban in part, and the kidnapper/murderers of the original post. Note the previous distinctions between classical Islam and the rabid violent version espoused by the Taliban and the like.
- Forgetting history? hell, I've made more reference to history and civilization than you've even implied.
It did happen to the West and Christianity - it's called the Dark Ages. Already mentioned that. And during that dark age, classical Islam partly carried the torch of civilization and humanity. (The Germanic tribes and Ireland deserve an honorable mention there too). We've also covered that previously in this thread.Macbeth wrote:
Secondly, yes there is a bit of unintellectualism in modern Islam sure. But it didn't happen out of nowhere. The same thing could have happened to the West/Christianity if the ball had bounced a bit different. Look up the impact of the effects of the Mongol conquest and the Crusades on Islamic culture sometime. It's really interesting and highlights how if history was a bit different France, Germany, the U.K. would have been on the same level as modern Afghanistan.
The point that has been previously made, in less direct wording, is that the Taliban's interpretation of Islam is about 1400 years behind the rest of humanity in ethical and legal development. They are still in the dark ages, and wish to bring the rest of the world back into those dark ages.
The 11B and 0311 here are the resident masters of saying more with one line than most can say in a wall of text.Macbeth wrote:
Finally, i don't even remember the last time I've seen you post something constructive in DST marine. You've turned into a mindless cheerleader highfiving anyone who agrees with whatever your views are while making the occasional sniping comment. Shit dude, up your quality.
I interpreted his "cuz he is one and thinks he is smart " as a rather insightful jab at your expense, implying that even the probable clinical sociopaths (you) don't like being associated with the Taliban. Harsh, yes. True? hopefully not entirely.
I think we're done here.
