A rich kid doesn't need a tax-subsidized scholarship. If a private college wants to hand one out, that's great, but I'm not paying for that shit.DrunkFace wrote:
Because they're qualified.JohnG@lt wrote:
Never said that. Why would a qualified rich kid get a scholarship?DrunkFace wrote:
So out of a class of 1500, they gave out 1500 scholarships?
He's somewhat correct about social problems stemming from wealth disparity actually, but that's what we have the right to bear arms for.JohnG@lt wrote:
I don't think so. Deciding when the wealthy have too much is entirely arbitrary. We have a wealth gap here in the US that's rather large but it doesn't prevent our poor from owning their own homes, putting food on their table, having cable television etc. The poor don't sit around going 'Fuck the rich, the assholes are keeping us down'. No, that's middle and upper class liberals who A) are jealous or B) feel guilty and C) have enough free time to worry about things like that.
Thats why we got merit and need base scholarships. Schools usually give them to attract better students.Turquoise wrote:
A rich kid doesn't need a tax-subsidized scholarship. If a private college wants to hand one out, that's great, but I'm not paying for that shit.DrunkFace wrote:
Because they're qualified.JohnG@lt wrote:
Never said that. Why would a qualified rich kid get a scholarship?
Ivy League financial aid is independent of your classroom performance (other than that necessary to gain admission). Harvard, Yale, and Princeton will ask for ten percent on family incomes ranging from 120,000 to 180,000, while the poorer ones have no such distinction.Cybargs wrote:
usually if youre talking about ivy league level colleges most of them will let you pay 10% of your parents income if you do well enough.
Are pre-existing assets also taken into account? Maybe I should retire around those times.nukchebi0 wrote:
Ivy League financial aid is independent of your classroom performance (other than that necessary to gain admission). Harvard, Yale, and Princeton will ask for ten percent on family incomes ranging from 120,000 to 180,000, while the poorer ones have no such distinction.Cybargs wrote:
usually if youre talking about ivy league level colleges most of them will let you pay 10% of your parents income if you do well enough.
afaik its based on annual salary.Ilocano wrote:
Are pre-existing assets also taken into account? Maybe I should retire around those times.nukchebi0 wrote:
Ivy League financial aid is independent of your classroom performance (other than that necessary to gain admission). Harvard, Yale, and Princeton will ask for ten percent on family incomes ranging from 120,000 to 180,000, while the poorer ones have no such distinction.Cybargs wrote:
usually if youre talking about ivy league level colleges most of them will let you pay 10% of your parents income if you do well enough.
Cool. Adjust income to just under $180000. 10% of tuition should be chicken feed. As it stands, oldest son's prep-school base tuition will already be over $13K. That doesn't include scrips, service hours, and fundraiser pay-offs.Cybargs wrote:
afaik its based on annual salary.Ilocano wrote:
Are pre-existing assets also taken into account? Maybe I should retire around those times.nukchebi0 wrote:
Ivy League financial aid is independent of your classroom performance (other than that necessary to gain admission). Harvard, Yale, and Princeton will ask for ten percent on family incomes ranging from 120,000 to 180,000, while the poorer ones have no such distinction.
Nah. Second semester. They're not THAT mean.SenorToenails wrote:
You're doing PDEs and complex analysis as a first year??? And it would be your first semester, right? Nuts! I took complex analysis and PDEs in my third year... And the PDE class DESTROYED just about everyone. The professor for it got into some trouble with the department and was punished by being made to teach undergrads...he taught it like a PhD program class since that's all he knew how to do, lolSpark wrote:
Nah I mean the maths courses. The maths in EM is basically vector calc and frankly it's not hard. Mechanistic but not hard. The pure maths courses I'm doing are insane though. Mostly the aforementioned PDEs+Complex Analysis course.
The PDEs part has been fairly OK. The complex analysis part was absolute nuts. Squeezing that amount of material into 12 lectures *shudders*
Anyone who's been around this forum a while should know I'm not as old as I appear to beJohnG@lt wrote:
1st year? I always thought you were older than that.Spark wrote:
I'll give you one guessSenorToenails wrote:
What book do you guys use for that EM class? QM also?
I've not done QM, if I were to do it it would've have to have been last semester. Bear in mind I'm 1st year...
We're not skimping on EM either - a lot of people I see skip the linear media and dielectrics section...
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is that meant to be a lot in america for prep-schools?Ilocano wrote:
Cool. Adjust income to just under $180000. 10% of tuition should be chicken feed. As it stands, oldest son's prep-school base tuition will already be over $13K. That doesn't include scrips, service hours, and fundraiser pay-offs.Cybargs wrote:
afaik its based on annual salary.Ilocano wrote:
Are pre-existing assets also taken into account? Maybe I should retire around those times.
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I think 13k isn't that bad for a prep school. I know expensive ones range up to 50k+ a year.Uzique wrote:
is that meant to be a lot in america for prep-schools?Ilocano wrote:
Cool. Adjust income to just under $180000. 10% of tuition should be chicken feed. As it stands, oldest son's prep-school base tuition will already be over $13K. That doesn't include scrips, service hours, and fundraiser pay-offs.Cybargs wrote:
afaik its based on annual salary.
the whole point is that it's dirt cheap
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Finland has free education.
$13K a year for prep-school is dirt cheap? Sure, it's less than our yearly vacation fund. And yeah, cheaper than $45K/yr. But's that the going rate here. Cheaper at Cali than New York for sure.Uzique wrote:
the whole point is that it's dirt cheap
Quick google:
Average Private School Tuition: 2007-08
All Levels Elementary Secondary K-12 Schools
All Schools $8,549 $6,733 $10,549 $10,045
Catholic $6,018 $4,944 $7,826 $9,066
Other Religious $7,117 $6,576 $10,493 $7,073
Non-Sectarian $17,316 $15,945 $27,302 $16,247
Not "sweet" for your parents, then..
it really boggles my mind that public-schools here are more expensive than university
at least it makes sense in america that your prep-schools are cheaper than college
at least it makes sense in america that your prep-schools are cheaper than college
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I finished in 95. My sister finished in 93. Neither of my parents went to more than a year or so of college each.SenorToenails wrote:
As a question to you, FEOS, how many years ago did you finish college? My parents (apparently) never knew that the cost of college education had risen to such high levels, since both of them went to private universities in the mid-70's and apparently paying for it relatively easily was not particularly difficult back then.
Used TA to help pay for my Master's from 99-00.
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Well I disagree.Turquoise wrote:
A rich kid doesn't need a tax-subsidized scholarship. If a private college wants to hand one out, that's great, but I'm not paying for that shit.DrunkFace wrote:
Because they're qualified.JohnG@lt wrote:
Never said that. Why would a qualified rich kid get a scholarship?
Entry to University should be entirely merit based for all students and you or your parents economic situation should not even be a consideration.
On top of that. Why shouldn't a rich kid get a tax subsidised scholarship? They're probably paying more tax then you to start with, why should they be forced to pay for your poor arse and then have to pay for themselves as well?
They do its called a MERIT scholarship. if a poor kid does really well in school he can get both a merit and need base scholarship.DrunkFace wrote:
On top of that. Why shouldn't a rich kid get a tax subsidised scholarship? They're probably paying more tax then you to start with, why should they be forced to pay for your poor arse and then have to pay for themselves as well?Turquoise wrote:
A rich kid doesn't need a tax-subsidized scholarship. If a private college wants to hand one out, that's great, but I'm not paying for that shit.DrunkFace wrote:
Because they're qualified.
http://www.fafsa.ed.gov/
Not to mention you can get grants from the state. My friend patrick got a 5k (tuition is only 11k a year) grant from the state of california for studying at UC Irvine and he'd be considered middle class.
public schools in the states are pretty dirt cheap already... for private colleges it depends on them if theyre willing to give out a scholarship. Harvard for example gives quite a bit and NYU rarely gives out anything.
If you make all scholarships a merit based when it just fucks over the poorer students even more.
Edit: Drunkface if you're talking about entry, it's all merit and arguably race based. Asians get shafted the most coz they "study harder" and black kids get into colleges a lot easier. my black friend got into SUNY albany with a 2.8 GPA and a 1530 SAT score. shit she even knows she got in coz she black.
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Yeh, for a small select few. You must have missed the all students. I even bolded the all.Cybargs wrote:
They do its called a MERIT scholarship. if a poor kid does really well in school he can get both a merit and need base scholarship.
Not if your school system isn't fucked.If you make all scholarships a merit based when it just fucks over the poorer students even more.
You don't see a problem with that? And by entry I also mean a feasible method of actually attending/paying. Getting into Harvard is pointless unless you have a way of paying.Edit: Drunkface if you're talking about entry, it's all merit and arguably race based. Asians get shafted the most coz they "study harder" and black kids get into colleges a lot easier. my black friend got into SUNY albany with a 2.8 GPA and a 1530 SAT score. shit she even knows she got in coz she black.
Also GPA and SAT are just meaningless random numbers to me.
GPA is your grade point average (2.8 is around a 78% average), SAT is the college application score (think ATAR, 1500 SAT is a 75 ATAR).DrunkFace wrote:
Yeh, for a small select few. You must have missed the all students. I even bolded the all.Cybargs wrote:
They do its called a MERIT scholarship. if a poor kid does really well in school he can get both a merit and need base scholarship.Not if your school system isn't fucked.If you make all scholarships a merit based when it just fucks over the poorer students even more.You don't see a problem with that? And by entry I also mean a feasible method of actually attending/paying. Getting into Harvard is pointless unless you have a way of paying.Edit: Drunkface if you're talking about entry, it's all merit and arguably race based. Asians get shafted the most coz they "study harder" and black kids get into colleges a lot easier. my black friend got into SUNY albany with a 2.8 GPA and a 1530 SAT score. shit she even knows she got in coz she black.
Also GPA and SAT are just meaningless random numbers to me.
I know it fucking sucks for a lot of students who bust their ass and apply to colleges and have no way of paying it. that's life. Harvard is a private college and they can do whatever the hell they want with tuition. most public schools in the states are very very good anyway. You can bitch all day about the costs/scholarships for public/state colleges, but a private college can charge how much they want.
you mad? that kid out of high school hasnt paid for shit yet...his parents but not him.DrunkFace wrote:
Well I disagree.Turquoise wrote:
A rich kid doesn't need a tax-subsidized scholarship. If a private college wants to hand one out, that's great, but I'm not paying for that shit.DrunkFace wrote:
Because they're qualified.
Entry to University should be entirely merit based for all students and you or your parents economic situation should not even be a consideration.
On top of that. Why shouldn't a rich kid get a tax subsidised scholarship? They're probably paying more tax then you to start with, why should they be forced to pay for your poor arse and then have to pay for themselves as well?
drunkface it sounds like you want a society of royalty and peasants only?
Why does no one Rail against " Big Education " why do their costs go up ?
supply and demand.Hunter/Jumper wrote:
Why does no one Rail against " Big Education " why do their costs go up ?
its a bigger scam than oil if you ask me.Hunter/Jumper wrote:
Why does no one Rail against " Big Education " why do their costs go up ?
False. Artificially inflated because of government subsidies.Cybargs wrote:
supply and demand.Hunter/Jumper wrote:
Why does no one Rail against " Big Education " why do their costs go up ?
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