BF2S Forums Tuition Fees - Standardised? Privatised?

Turquoise wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Aww thats cute macbeth, did they strip out everyone that didnt stop at an associates? Doubt it. Good luck finding a job with a 2 year degree.

Not true at all actually...

If you get a certification as an HVAC tech, you can make quite a bit of money straight out of school.  The same is true of an aviation tech degree.

There are all sorts of skilled jobs that are blue collar that pay pretty well and are high demand.

The only catch is that these types of jobs usually have a lower salary ceiling than what certain 4 year degrees can grant you access to.  Usually, a 4 year degree has more social value for an entry level office job, and from there, you can move up in a company.  However, this usually requires getting a Masters and sometimes a doctorate.

Basically, the technical route is better for the average person, since most people aren't really academic.  Society in general needs far fewer academics than technically inclined people.

Right, but I'm not talking about technical schools here, I'm talking about community colleges which generally offer a 'lite' version of a degree from a four year college. At a community college, people generally take what would be the core classes of a four year degree. Frankly, I don't know anyone that plans on stopping their schooling after two years so comparing a community college to a technical school is apples and oranges.

I don't have a problem with community colleges, they're a fabulous way to save on tuition bills. But to say that a person can get by in life with nothing more than an associates degree (technical schools don't hand out associates, they hand out certificates) is just folly.

Turquoise wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Right, but I'm not talking about technical schools here, I'm talking about community colleges which generally offer a 'lite' version of a degree from a four year college. At a community college, people generally take what would be the core classes of a four year degree. Frankly, I don't know anyone that plans on stopping their schooling after two years so comparing a community college to a technical school is apples and oranges.

Hmm...  Ok, I see what you mean now.  I guess I get confused easily with the terminology, because most of the community colleges in my area are technical schools.  They do have the kind of degrees you're talking about, but the majority of effort seems to be towards actual workplace training.

JohnG@lt wrote:

I don't have a problem with community colleges, they're a fabulous way to save on tuition bills. But to say that a person can get by in life with nothing more than an associates degree (technical schools don't hand out associates, they hand out certificates) is just folly.

Yes, if they get the specific type of degree you're talking about.

Here's the list of degrees offered at the local community college:

    * Liberal Arts
          o Liberal Arts (A.A.)
          o Liberal Arts (A.S.)
    * Accounting & Business Administration
          o Accounting (A.S.)
          o Accounting (A.A.S.)
          o Business Administration (A.S.)
          o Business Administration (Cert.)
    * Africana Studies
          o Africana Studies (A.A.)
    * Allied Health Sciences
          o Medical Laboratory Technology (A.A.S.)
          o Physical Therapist Assistant (A.A.S.)
          o Radiation Therapy Technology (A.A.S.)
          o Radiologic Technology (A.A.S.)
          o Respiratory Care (A.A.S.)
          o Surgical Technology (A.A.S.)
    * Art
          o Art (A.S.)
          o Art Studies (A.A.)
          o Commercial Art: Digital Technologies (A.A.S.)
          o Desktop Publishing and Design (Cert.)
          o Photography (A.S.)
          o Photography (Cert.)
          o Web Design (Cert.)
    * Biology
          o Biology (A.S.)
    * Chemistry
    * Communications
          o American Sign Language (A.A.)
          o Communication Arts (A.A.)
          o Media (A.A.)
    * Criminal Justice
          o Criminal Justice (A.S.)
          o Fire Science (A.S.)
    * Economics and Finance
          o Financial Markets (Cert.)
    * Engineering/Physics/Technologies
          o Civil Engineering Technology (A.A.S.)
          o Computer Repair Technology (A.A.S.)
          o Construction Management (Cert.)
          o Electrical Engineering Technology (A.A.S.)
          o Engineering Science (A.S.)
          o Telecommunications Technology - Verizon (A.A.S.)
    * English
    * Foreign Languages
    * Health/Physical Education/Recreation
          o Alcoholism & Addictions Counseling (A.S)
          o Credentialed Alcohol & Substance Abuse Counselor (CASAC) (Cert.)
    * History/Political Science/Geography
    * Hospitality Business
          o Dietary Management (Cert.)
          o Food and Nutrition (A.S.)
          o Food Service Administration, Restaurant Management (A.A.S.)
          o Food Service Technology (Cert.)
          o Hotel Technology Administration (A.A.S.)
    * Interdisciplinary Studies
    * Legal Studies
          o Paralegal (A.A.S.)
          o Paralegal Studies (Cert.)
    * Library
    * Marketing, Retailing, Fashion Buying and Merchandise, Fashion Design and Interior Design
          o Fashion Buying and Merchandising (A.A.S.)
          o Fashion Design (A.A.S.)
          o Interior Design/Home Furnishing (A.A.S.)
          o Interior Design/Home Furnishing (Cert.)
          o Marketing (A.A.S.)
          o Retailing Business Management (A.A.S.)
    * Mathematics/Computer Science/Information Technology
          o Computer Science (A.S.)
          o Information Technology (A.A.S.)
          o Information Technology (Cert.)
          o Logistics & Transportation Management (A.A.S.)
          o Mathematics (A.S.)
    * Mortuary Science
          o Mortuary Science (A.A.S.)
    * Music
          o Performing Arts Music (A.A.S.)
          o Studio Recording Technology (Cert.)
    * Nursing
          o Provider of Care (ADN)
          o Manager of Care (ADN)
          o Nursing (A.S.)
    * Office Technology
          o Office Technology/Legal (A.A.S. and Cert.)
          o Office Technology/Medical (A.A.S. and Cert.)
          o Office Technology/Administrative Support Technology (A.A.S. and Cert.)
          o Health Information Technology (Cert.)
    * Philosophy
    * Physical Sciences
    * Psychology
          o Disability Studies (A.A.)
          o Disability Studies (Cert.)
    * Reading and Basic Education
    * Sociology, Anthropology, and Social Work Department
          o Human Services: Community Service and Social Welfare (A.A.)
    * Student Personnel Services
    * Teacher Education Transfer Program (Liberal Arts & Science)
          o Early Childhood Education (A.A.)
          o Childhood Education (A.A.)
          o Adolescence Education (A.A.)
          o Early Childhood Education (A.S.)
          o Childhood Education (A.S.)
          o Adolescence Education (A.S.)
          o Teacher Assistant (Cert.)
    * Theatre/Dance
          o Acting (A.A.)
          o Dance (A.A.)
          o Technical Theatre (A.A.)

http://collegecatalog.ncc.edu/current/programs/

Uzique wrote:

i stopped reading when you said 'poly'

imo all polytechnics should be stripped of full degree-granting ability... before any cuts are made to courses across the board, nationally

Here's me calling into question the need for pointless degrees. And you label me a fascist snob. Yet your snobbery at polytechnics and universities you deem to be bellow pare is apart. Sounding very upper class to me.

Your attitude, general language and name calling doesn't rally me to the student cause one bit.

Uzique wrote:

thank fuck you numbskulls aren't all in control

Also sounds kind of snobby, but I'm still not sure how to tell the alcohol from the Uzique.

uni costs €1600 / year here, and that is for every uni

i don't really think it's snobby to differentiate between 'proper' universities and polytechnics... i mean they've just been merged, on paper...

to differentiate between university subjects and individual degrees does involve a certain amount of subjectivity, though- i.e. snobbish judgement

Uzique wrote:

i don't really think it's snobby to differentiate between 'proper' universities and polytechnics... i mean they've just been merged, on paper...

to differentiate between university subjects and individual degrees does involve a certain amount of subjectivity, though- i.e. snobbish judgement

A University is simply a building, a staff and a syllabus.
Snobbery about public schools and universities is just that, snobbery.

Dilbert_X wrote:

Uzique wrote:

i don't really think it's snobby to differentiate between 'proper' universities and polytechnics... i mean they've just been merged, on paper...

to differentiate between university subjects and individual degrees does involve a certain amount of subjectivity, though- i.e. snobbish judgement

A University is simply a building, a staff and a syllabus.
Snobbery about public schools and universities is just that, snobbery.

Yes, but the snobbery is not completely baseless. The more highly regarded universities tend to have better staff, equipment, resources, etc.

you could always just move to america, join the military, enter a shitty college to do engineering and then graduate with a guaranteed 250k/annum job!

This is your present and your future England. Bunch of self righteous entitled scum. Declare marshal law already and send in the military to beat the fuck out of them.

Turquoise wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

This is your present and your future England. Bunch of self righteous entitled scum. Declare marshal law already and send in the military to beat the fuck out of them.

Now wait a minute...  I thought you were saying I would like Stalinism....  hmmmm

They're destroying public and private property. Clearly the police are ineffective. Did I say kill? No. Forcing them to behave is quite another story.

Heh, I've spent the evening shooting down all the ridiculous posts from students on Facebook about the protests. A lot of them seem to think violence is the only way to be heard, which obviously makes it all too easy.