why dont they eradicate the royal family bollocks and use that money for education?
$352 a semester.Ilocano wrote:
Want to do photography. Go Community college that even a minimum wager can afford. Hell, I know of at least one CC that has a reputation for an excellent photography program.
this discussion is stupid. nobody cares what they do in aussie land ffs.
Versus 9K Pounds/yr in the UK.DrunkFace wrote:
$352 a semester.Ilocano wrote:
Want to do photography. Go Community college that even a minimum wager can afford. Hell, I know of at least one CC that has a reputation for an excellent photography program.
Because the royal family are the only thing that separates us from being French11 Bravo wrote:
why dont they eradicate the royal family bollocks and use that money for education?
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I'd type my pc specs out all fancy again but teh mods would remove it. Again.
Uh, the food?presidentsheep wrote:
Because the royal family are the only thing that separates us from being French11 Bravo wrote:
why dont they eradicate the royal family bollocks and use that money for education?
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jk
My point is though, given that everyone has access to loans it doesn't limit anything. So previously you paid off 15k over 10 years? Now you pay off 30k over 20 years. I don't see why that would stop anyone going.presidentsheep wrote:
What with the huge amount of nabs getting useless degrees, you need one to work in retail these days.
Charging huge amounts so only the rich can get degrees isn't the solution to this either.
Australia - 2,941,299 sq mi / 22,551,193 peopleDrunkFace wrote:
http://filipspagnoli.files.wordpress.co … e-full.jpg11 Bravo wrote:
yes but you guys are racist and dont let people into your countryDrunkFace wrote:
Here you just get the privilege of actually enrolling in a course you might want to do at the university of your choice.
New Jersey- 8,721 sq mi / 8,707,739 people
45% of NJ is still FOREST How are you guys anywhere near full?
Nor do they care about americaville.11 Bravo wrote:
this discussion is stupid. nobody cares what they do in aussie land ffs.
Too much logic. Not enough anger.ghettoperson wrote:
My point is though, given that everyone has access to loans it doesn't limit anything. So previously you paid off 15k over 10 years? Now you pay off 30k over 20 years. I don't see why that would stop anyone going.presidentsheep wrote:
What with the huge amount of nabs getting useless degrees, you need one to work in retail these days.
Charging huge amounts so only the rich can get degrees isn't the solution to this either.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
extra 15k debt is not a small amount.ghettoperson wrote:
My point is though, given that everyone has access to loans it doesn't limit anything. So previously you paid off 15k over 10 years? Now you pay off 30k over 20 years. I don't see why that would stop anyone going.presidentsheep wrote:
What with the huge amount of nabs getting useless degrees, you need one to work in retail these days.
Charging huge amounts so only the rich can get degrees isn't the solution to this either.
I'd type my pc specs out all fancy again but teh mods would remove it. Again.
What's the average yearly income in the U.K.?presidentsheep wrote:
extra 15k debt is not a small amount.ghettoperson wrote:
My point is though, given that everyone has access to loans it doesn't limit anything. So previously you paid off 15k over 10 years? Now you pay off 30k over 20 years. I don't see why that would stop anyone going.presidentsheep wrote:
What with the huge amount of nabs getting useless degrees, you need one to work in retail these days.
Charging huge amounts so only the rich can get degrees isn't the solution to this either.
well the people we let in care...but you dont care about that, right? racistsDrunkFace wrote:
Nor do they care about americaville.11 Bravo wrote:
this discussion is stupid. nobody cares what they do in aussie land ffs.
Cause no one wants to live hereMacbeth wrote:
Australia - 2,941,299 sq mi / 22,551,193 peopleDrunkFace wrote:
http://filipspagnoli.files.wordpress.co … e-full.jpg11 Bravo wrote:
yes but you guys are racist and dont let people into your country
New Jersey- 8,721 sq mi / 8,707,739 people
45% of NJ is still FOREST How are you guys anywhere near full?
It's the price of a car.presidentsheep wrote:
extra 15k debt is not a small amount.ghettoperson wrote:
My point is though, given that everyone has access to loans it doesn't limit anything. So previously you paid off 15k over 10 years? Now you pay off 30k over 20 years. I don't see why that would stop anyone going.presidentsheep wrote:
What with the huge amount of nabs getting useless degrees, you need one to work in retail these days.
Charging huge amounts so only the rich can get degrees isn't the solution to this either.
You go to college to increase your income when you graduate do you not? That's an investment. 15k is nothing when your income is probably increased by that much on a yearly basis just for holding a piece of paper.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
30K over 20 years, and my kids can go to Harvard, MIT, Stanford, and the like. Sign me up.JohnG@lt wrote:
Too much logic. Not enough anger.ghettoperson wrote:
My point is though, given that everyone has access to loans it doesn't limit anything. So previously you paid off 15k over 10 years? Now you pay off 30k over 20 years. I don't see why that would stop anyone going.presidentsheep wrote:
What with the huge amount of nabs getting useless degrees, you need one to work in retail these days.
Charging huge amounts so only the rich can get degrees isn't the solution to this either.
Better question: What's the average yearly income for college graduates in the UK?Macbeth wrote:
What's the average yearly income in the U.K.?presidentsheep wrote:
extra 15k debt is not a small amount.ghettoperson wrote:
My point is though, given that everyone has access to loans it doesn't limit anything. So previously you paid off 15k over 10 years? Now you pay off 30k over 20 years. I don't see why that would stop anyone going.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
I agree, but only if you're thinking of it in terms of a lump sum. If you're thinking of it in terms of you pay off a insignificant amount of your income for twice as long, what difference does it really make? Am I being dense here, is there an argument here I'm missing?presidentsheep wrote:
extra 15k debt is not a small amount.ghettoperson wrote:
My point is though, given that everyone has access to loans it doesn't limit anything. So previously you paid off 15k over 10 years? Now you pay off 30k over 20 years. I don't see why that would stop anyone going.presidentsheep wrote:
What with the huge amount of nabs getting useless degrees, you need one to work in retail these days.
Charging huge amounts so only the rich can get degrees isn't the solution to this either.
You're probably arguing with someone that views the price of a video game as being high. He has no perspective. To him, 15k is a shitload of money.ghettoperson wrote:
I agree, but only if you're thinking of it in terms of a lump sum. If you're thinking of it in terms of you pay off a insignificant amount of your income for twice as long, what difference does it really make? Am I being dense here, is there an argument here I'm missing?presidentsheep wrote:
extra 15k debt is not a small amount.ghettoperson wrote:
My point is though, given that everyone has access to loans it doesn't limit anything. So previously you paid off 15k over 10 years? Now you pay off 30k over 20 years. I don't see why that would stop anyone going.
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"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Well, we don't have to... That's something worth revolting over.JohnG@lt wrote:
Because shit always gets kicked down hill. Over on this side of the pond, my generation is going to end up paying off all the debt the baby boomers racked up. Then we get to pay for their retirement on top of it. Fun stuff.Uzique wrote:
what does a shitty prep school have to do with anything? and isn't it ironic that you complain about costs straight after encouraging the parents to cough up? oooookay. i think the students are angry that the good principle of our education-accessibility is being sacrificed as part of austere financial measures that have NOTHING to do with the student population. why are we paying for the older generation's foolish mistakes and avarice?Ilocano wrote:
I'm with G@lt here.
Can't afford the fees? Blame your parents for not providing enough, or get a fuck'in job to pay for it.
Visited one of the prep schools I'm considering for my son. Paltry merit scholarships, and even then, significant sacrifices to maintain them. But then, tons of needs scholarship. Fuck that!!!
23.5k is the average graduates income.
The point i'm trying to make is that it's a large increase, one that will put off average/poorer students. Assuming you've got no money going into this you're loaning 9k for tuition fees plus another 6 or 7 for accommodation etc.
45k debt for the rest of your life to pay off seems like quite a large chunk to me.
@galt: i suppose 15k is just spare change to you?
The point i'm trying to make is that it's a large increase, one that will put off average/poorer students. Assuming you've got no money going into this you're loaning 9k for tuition fees plus another 6 or 7 for accommodation etc.
45k debt for the rest of your life to pay off seems like quite a large chunk to me.
@galt: i suppose 15k is just spare change to you?
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I'd type my pc specs out all fancy again but teh mods would remove it. Again.
So... ask your parents to do their job and help pay for your schooling?presidentsheep wrote:
23.5k is the average graduates income.
The point i'm trying to make is that it's a large increase, one that will put off average/poorer students. Assuming you've got no money going into this you're loaning 9k for tuition fees plus another 6 or 7 for accommodation etc.
45k debt for the rest of your life to pay off seems like quite a large chunk to me.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
I fucking love Galt implying that kids have control over how much their parents assist them.
My parents, grandparents etc are all chipping in and it's still going to saddle me with a shit ton of debt, straight out of uni even before i try to get a job.
I'd type my pc specs out all fancy again but teh mods would remove it. Again.
i know a lot of parents that would argue that, after putting their child through top private education from age 8-18, they should get into their own fucking debt when it comes to university. paying £20 grand a year to put a kid through public school is enough of the 'parental duties', methinks, let alone the £35k+ for university study.
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