luckybaer
Member
+10|7208| Going Feral
Sounds like a lot of people are ticked off by the new patch.  The biggest gripe I hear is from the guys flying helos or jets.

I think that after a while, the good pilots are still going to rack up the points.  It may be harder for them, and they may need to think, but they will adapt and pwn again.  Besides, even though AA might be improved as far as effectiveness, I sure as hell don't feel excited about exposing myself to an experienced pilot or sniper by sitting in that stupid AA turret.  ;-)

The mediocre pilots are going to have to get better, or they will not be in the sky very long.  I think this is cool.  If they keep getting shot down and they can't figure out a way to beat the AA, then they'll either quit playing or they'll have to try some other vehicle or do infantry stuff.

This probably applies to many of the changes.  Guys that used to like to bunny-hop will either get better with other tactics or tricks, or they will whine and then hopefully quit.  Same thing for C4 throwers.  I never had a problem with these guys in the past, but no one asked me if these things should be taken out of the game.  Quite frankly, I never cared.

I also hear about the Support weapons being too accurate.  Well, at the distances in which most combat occurs in this game, a PKM or SAW, or whatever SHOULD be able to mow down unmounted infantry from 25M away!  And for those saying that support guys can now snipe, maybe they can, but if they're in the prone position, they are that much easier to headshot!

As for the sniper gun being beefed up, so what?  If you get hit in the chest by a .50 cal round, it seems only fair that you die.  :-)  Snipers still need to shoot and move, or they will die.  They STILL can be spotted by UAV.  Their silhouettes can still be spotted relatively easily.  They're still relatively useless in CQC.  So, maybe some good snipers will pick up some extra kills.  That's OK.  Commanders and opposing team members will just have to pay more attention to snipers.  I got killed about 3x in a round on Karkand last night by people sniping.  I didn't spaz out, and neither should anyone else.  I either caught them while they were reloading, snuck up on them and killed them, or someone on my team took care of them.  No biggie.

I'm not very good at this game, and I still had fun last night.  I can only imagine that those who have real skills will enjoy the game with the new patch, too.  Good players will adapt and improve, while people getting by on tricks and exploits will either learn new tricks and exploits, learn how to kick butt without cheap tricks and exploits, or get frustrated because their k/d ratio is going down and leave the game.

I don't think I'm being an ass about this.  I'm trying to be rational.
RedFiercare
The Kid
+2|7177
I... don't think the M95 can 1-shot to the chest.  I got hit by it as a sniper last night and got taken down to the regular 2 bars.
n00b.Worx
Member
+44|7160|West Berlin!

Dr.Battlefield wrote:

Now this is brilliant!
Shut the fuck up.
luckybaer
Member
+10|7208| Going Feral

RedFiercare wrote:

I... don't think the M95 can 1-shot to the chest.  I got hit by it as a sniper last night and got taken down to the regular 2 bars.
I think you are right.  I guess maybe a good sniper was out there and got me a couple of times.  I thought I was doing my "I'm up.  He sees me!  I'm down!" routine fairly well, but I still got nailed!
MuseSeeker
2142 Soldier: Behenaut
+110|7209|EUR
As for the m95 - I think its the same ol', I got shot by it and the regular 2 bars standing.

But the new sniper; Kicks Ass.
Dr.Battlefield
Got milk?
+150|7186

n00b.Worx wrote:

Dr.Battlefield wrote:

Now this is brilliant!
Shut the fuck up.
FUCKING ARSE BANDIT
I'm confused. I guess I said somethin not really smart or something I thot but couldnt write it right, because of my poor english. So I deleted my post. Dont know what maked you so mad. Sorry anyway
-=[MDK]=-MrBojangles
Bullet Sponge
+4|7113
I agree 100% with you man.  I was really happy about alot of the things in the new patch.  Maybe not all of them, but quite a few. 

As far as the noob-tubing, bunning hopping and prone spamming....

We have all used these, I ask you not to lie about it to yourself.  Lie to me on here all you want, but know that you do use them from time to time.    I know I might not jump prone all the time to dodge bullets, but when jumping over a wall dodging incomming fire ill do it so im coverd when I land.  And to say you have never come around the corner on someone in like karkand or sharqi and got the suprise of your life by some support guy unloading on you, only to fire one grenade and have you come out the victor, is also a lie. 

With the new patch these two things have been taken away.  I belive that for the good of everyone its ok, but these two times that I have described, we all will be cursing the new patch.


As a helo pilot (look at my stats if you want, im never usally a gunner so I dont have elvendybillion kills).  Im kinda stoaked about the new AA.  I can do all kinds of rolls and stuff that have worked in the past to dodge incomming AA.  Its nice to be able to learn new tatics now that the old ones wont be enough.  Staying hidden and behind cover while flying is gonna be the only way now to avoid incomming fire.  Good comunication with your gunner and total trust in his ability is gonna be key. 

well this is just my 2 cents.  Flame away...

-Ryan

Last edited by -=[MDK]=-MrBojangles (2006-02-15 12:37:38)

-=[MDK]=-MrBojangles
Bullet Sponge
+4|7113

Dr.Battlefield wrote:

n00b.Worx wrote:

Dr.Battlefield wrote:

Now this is brilliant!
Shut the fuck up.
FUCKING ARSE BANDIT
I'm confused. I guess I said somethin not really smart or something I thot but couldnt write it right, because of my poor english. So I deleted my post. Dont know what maked you so mad. Sorry anyway
Must have thought you were being sarcastic...

Im guessing you actually thought it was a good post...
Dr.Battlefield
Got milk?
+150|7186

-=[MDK]=-MrBojangles wrote:

Dr.Battlefield wrote:

n00b.Worx wrote:

Shut the fuck up.
FUCKING ARSE BANDIT
I'm confused. I guess I said somethin not really smart or something I thot but couldnt write it right, because of my poor english. So I deleted my post. Dont know what maked you so mad. Sorry anyway
Must have thought you were being sarcastic...

Im guessing you actually thought it was a good post...
I do think that its a good post, but I wont start flames, so I just cut it off.

Last edited by Dr.Battlefield (2006-02-15 15:31:06)

TsinTzU
Member
+10|7179|holland
luckybaer: I got just 3 words...
ur f-in right!
luckybaer
Member
+10|7208| Going Feral

-=[MDK]=-MrBojangles wrote:

Dr.Battlefield wrote:

n00b.Worx wrote:


Shut the fuck up.
FUCKING ARSE BANDIT
I'm confused. I guess I said somethin not really smart or something I thot but couldnt write it right, because of my poor english. So I deleted my post. Dont know what maked you so mad. Sorry anyway
Must have thought you were being sarcastic...

Im guessing you actually thought it was a good post...
I wrote it, so it is a good post.  :-)

Now, whether or not people agree... well, that's another story.  LOL
Rathji
Member
+1|7117

-=[MDK]=-MrBojangles wrote:

And to say you have never come around the corner on someone in like karkand or sharqi and got the suprise of your life by some support guy unloading on you, only to fire one grenade and have you come out the victor, is also a lie.
-Ryan
This would only happen if you were using the toob as a primary weapon. Of course you are going to use it in that situation if it is the only weapon you have out. The only reason you would keep it out in that situation if if you were planning on using it.

Out of my 53 whopping GL kills, prolly less than 5 were close range, 3 or 4 times I have died from firing at that range, and only 1 time I have ever jumped and shot the GL at my feet to get a kill. As far as I am concerned, this is a HUGE improvement. I dont have to worry about coming around the corner 10 times a map into a toobing idiot who is sitting there just waiting to automaticly wipe your ass off the map because they dont have to aim at all to instantly kill you.

If you deny that this was an issue before you have got to be deluding yourself. I can't even count the times I have just watched the kill spam in the upper left and see 80%+ of the kills coming from GP-30 or F2000 GL. The only exception was the occasional  Chopper/ APC / Tankbase raping spree.
stryyker
bad touch
+1,682|7154|California

you can adapt to a predictable change yes, but those AA missiles DONT MISS, they will do a backflip 90 degree turn and lick my anus every time
luckybaer
Member
+10|7208| Going Feral
"you can adapt to a predictable change yes, but those AA missiles DONT MISS, they will do a backflip 90 degree turn and lick my anus every time" - stryyker

Great.  Not only are the missiles tougher... NOW they're perverts, too.
jord
Member
+2,382|7112|The North, beyond the wall.

luckybaer wrote:

"you can adapt to a predictable change yes, but those AA missiles DONT MISS, they will do a backflip 90 degree turn and lick my anus every time" - stryyker

Great.  Not only are the missiles tougher... NOW they're perverts, too.
werent they always sick,child mallesting perverts?FUCK you pedofile missles!
Ty
Mass Media Casualty
+2,398|7208|Noizyland

Good post. All make sense apart from Sniper one-hit kill. Didn't they read my comments that having a one-hit-kill Sniper Rifle would prove how stupid the programmers really are? Obviously not, so here it is again.
[Blinking eyes thing]
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luckybaer
Member
+10|7208| Going Feral
I might have been down a couple of bars when I got killed.  Maybe someone head-shotted me.  Whatever it was, I hadn't been hit in a round that many times by a sniper before!
luckybaer
Member
+10|7208| Going Feral
Here's something I thought about while playing last night.  Support weapon is pretty accurate now, but I got frustrated as heck trying to keep up with unarmored squad members last night!  NOW I remember one of the reasons I like the medic class so much.  Not only can you save your team tickets by revives, you can get get points for healing, but you can do all that AND have a cool gun AND be able to run around fast.  THAT'S why I play medic more than support!
-=[MDK]=-MrBojangles
Bullet Sponge
+4|7113

Rathji wrote:

If you deny that this was an issue before you have got to be deluding yourself. I can't even count the times I have just watched the kill spam in the upper left and see 80%+ of the kills coming from GP-30 or F2000 GL. The only exception was the occasional  Chopper/ APC / Tankbase raping spree.
I do not deny that what so ever.  I was just playing devils advacote i guess.  I do like the new patch for this reason as well.
Esker
Member
+1|7161
Well the new sniper ain't a 1 shot kill rifle, unless of course it's a headshot, it behaves very similarly to an M24.

That's the only thing I liked, this patch has killed BF2...
$kelet0r
Member
+16|7116

Esker wrote:

Well the new sniper ain't a 1 shot kill rifle, unless of course it's a headshot, it behaves very similarly to an M24.

That's the only thing I liked, this patch has killed BF2...
lol
another one in the minority
this patch has worked miracles - loathe it if you will but the game was good before - now it's awesome
luckybaer
Member
+10|7208| Going Feral

Esker wrote:

Well the new sniper ain't a 1 shot kill rifle, unless of course it's a headshot, it behaves very similarly to an M24.

That's the only thing I liked, this patch has killed BF2...
Hey, can you give me some tips to try and improve my k/d with my assault rifle, carbines, etc.?  I'm getting better, but I wonder if there is something else I can do.
-=[MDK]=-MrBojangles
Bullet Sponge
+4|7113

Esker wrote:

this patch has killed BF2...
dude, great post....

any explanaion?
Esker
Member
+1|7161
To the guy who wanted advice, I really couldn't say now with this patch, my best advice would be to jump in a tank or go support and spray people =/

You want an explanation on why I think this patch killed BF2?

Fair enough but don't complain because it's looooong....

Let us begin with infantry, infantry are meant to be the most agile and versatile force on the battlefield, now it feels as though I'm driving a tank. It's clunky and slow. You can't dodge nothing anymore and it's taken all the skill out of hitting fast moving targets, because shooting dolphin divers and bunny hoppers was appealing to me, as it would be to the people shooting me. Armour is now the way forward because those pesky infantry men are so slow and useless you can shoot them down in no time.

Ok, now let us move onto the specific kits, snipers for instance. They've been given a gun that seems to behave like an M24, which is great if you can handle the autosnipers. Unfortunately however you now have mines that cannot be blown up at all, only defused. You may think "Wow this is awesome" but it honestly isn't. As MEC you can now effectively remove the initial assault by the US onto the Hotel by simply plonking Claymores down in the alley ways, there's always someone throwing ammo there aswell as first aid, it's even better when the server has the setting that stops friendly mines blowing up your teammates.

Support, well they've been given these superb machine guns that you can simply spray and pray at people, where's the skill in that? Well there isn't any. Even n00b tubers needed some skill, these guys need hardly any at all. I did it myself and got the highest amount of kills on the server, about 42 or so.

Assault: is simply a waste of time, the grenade launcher is about as potent as a shitty stick, go Medic instead, you get magical healing bags.

Medic: is now even better, they have 2 very good , accuarate weapons.

Engineer: The pump action shotgun that the engineer has is pretty useless because people simply spray machine gun bullets at you and you have no way of avoiding them.

Spec Ops: Didn't even bother playing as.

AT: Doesn't seem any different other than not being able to dodge like you used to.

Aircraft: There's a massive post already on this.

So yeah, the new patch not only fucked up the infantry side of the game but they've screwed over the aircraft too. Infantry feels like it was added into BF2 as an afterthought, it's like they've taken out everything that made the infantry decent and fun.
luckybaer
Member
+10|7208| Going Feral
I think assault has now been rendered relatively useless, although the GL is still kinda unique.

Why would I go assault and not medic?  For the body armor?  I don't think enough of an advantage there.  My G36E kicks butt, and I get the chance to revive teammates and pick up healing points, too.

Why would I go assault and not support?  Weapon is more accurate?  Maybe, but the increased accuracy along with the rate of fire and lots of ammo for the support guns is enough of an offset.  Plus, I get to resupply my teammates and get more points.

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