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2011-01-12 21:10:07
mcminty
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burnzz wrote:

CapnNismo wrote:

You're driving down the road, have your phone set up with navigation enable and a call arrives -
fuck the call, and only assholes talk on their cell phone while they're driving.
This.

In some places it's even illegal to talk on the phone while driving..    



CapnNismo wrote:

killer21 - not only that, but on the current 3G CDMA network on Verizon you cannot do simultaneous voice and data transfer. That's a pretty huge fail right there.

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/mobile-gadget … phone/4329
Lol, is that just how CDMA works? o.O
2011-01-12 23:26:56
Benzin
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mcminty - that's why there's a speaker phone and/or Bluetooth headset capability. Still talk and navigate.

And yes, that's just how CDMA works. I don't know, however, if the LTE network that they've been building is any different though.
2011-01-12 23:35:36
mcminty
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CapnNismo wrote:

mcminty - that's why there's a speaker phone and/or Bluetooth headset capability. Still talk and navigate.

And yes, that's just how CDMA works. I don't know, however, if the LTE network that they've been building is any different though.
Speaker phone is eh. I've got inbuilt car bluetooth, with controls on the steering wheel, so I'm fine to "pick the phone up".. but I'd never dial anyone. Anyway, I digress..

Hmm, CDMA sounds rather flawed...
2011-01-12 23:43:05
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
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Hurricane2k9 wrote:

CapnNismo wrote:

killer21 - not only that, but on the current 3G CDMA network on Verizon you cannot do simultaneous voice and data transfer. That's a pretty huge fail right there.

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/mobile-gadget … phone/4329
i think I've used that feature twice in my life
lol.. i was gunna say. I only knew that already because of .... that one time I tried it.
Well, it's true
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2011-01-12 23:58:21
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
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CapnNismo wrote:

Stimey: It's never been exclusive here in Austria either. Orange had it, T-Mobile had it and now A1 (the largest provider) just got it.

If you guys haven't used data and voice at the same time, you're truly not mobile warriors. I use that shit all the time. Think about it like this, too: You're driving down the road, have your phone set up with navigation enable and a call arrives - what do you do? Keep navigating or talk on the phone? With a GSM network, you don't have to make that choice. With an Android phone, it's built-in functionality. With an iPhone, you have to shell out cash to get the navigation and if you're on Verizon you do have to make the choice. GSM > CDMA

AT&T's 3G network is also faster than Verizon's. AT&T's only problem has been the shoddiness of the network coverage, beyond that, it's pretty stout.
How bad is your sense of direction that you can't take a call in between turns? Really, it just pauses the navigation while you are on the phone and immediately resumes once you hang up. Shit, in all actuality I rarely even use the navigation unless I am out of town. I've never been interrupted whilst using navigation, and as a Realtor, my phone is my primary tool. I'm on it a helluva lot. I think sometimes we invent a technological crisis just because we admire our ability to work through them.

A more likely scenario is that someone calls me, wants to see a movie, and I need to hang up and check the movie times ..etc. But even then, what kind of douchebag makes the other person sit there holding whilst you peruse around to the moviefone app on your phone? ..lol A normal, decent human being says let me call you back in a sec.
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2011-01-13 00:09:11
pirana6
Go Cougs!
+691|6548|Washington St.
my 3 year old phone make calls and texts just fine. why do i need something else to solve problems i don't already have?

fuck you apple. i will hate you until the day i die.
2011-01-13 00:52:19
max
Vela Incident
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Kmar wrote:

How bad is your sense of direction that you can't take a call in between turns? Really, it just pauses the navigation while you are on the phone and immediately resumes once you hang up. Shit, in all actuality I rarely even use the navigation unless I am out of town. I've never been interrupted whilst using navigation, and as a Realtor, my phone is my primary tool. I'm on it a helluva lot. I think sometimes we invent a technological crisis just because we admire our ability to work through them.

A more likely scenario is that someone calls me, wants to see a movie, and I need to hang up and check the movie times ..etc. But even then, what kind of douchebag makes the other person sit there holding whilst you peruse around to the moviefone app on your phone? ..lol A normal, decent human being says let me call you back in a sec.
Speakerphone.
once upon a midnight dreary, while i pron surfed, weak and weary, over many a strange and spurious site of ' hot  xxx galore'. While i clicked my fav'rite bookmark, suddenly there came a warning, and my heart was filled with mourning, mourning for my dear amour, " 'Tis not possible!", i muttered, " give me back my free hardcore!"..... quoth the server, 404.
2011-01-13 01:25:34
Benzin
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Just because you can't imagine yourself doing it, Kmar, doesn't mean that others don't do it or shouldn't do it. I've been on the phone a number of times and also had to consult the GPS unit in my car.

I know the iPhone handles multitasking very differently than Android does, so this situation probably isn't really that huge of a problem on the iPhone, but Android provides a very nice UI for when you have the phone mounted in a car dock (or you can turn the UI on yourself if you don't have one of the special docks that activates it automatically) that allows you to access music, navigation, contacts, voice search and the phone itself - all with nice, large buttons. Very useful.

But given that the iPhone doesn't provide this functionality standard, it's likely a non-issue with this situation. Given that the iPhone is so fast, though, it doesn't take long to pull up a website and also keep someone on the line.
2011-01-13 02:34:31
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
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I just don't think its something most people do. I haven't seen it or heard about people doing calls and data simultaneously that much. I once saw an at&t commericial that told me how extremely necessary it was tho ..lol.  I am sure your scenario applies to a few. But I don't think most people need voice+data at the same time. I sure as hell don't think its a "huge" fail. The fact that you had to point out a scenario in which you would need data+voice shows us excatly how important it is. If it were a major problem then there would be no need to point it out.
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2011-01-13 02:35:11
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
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max wrote:

Kmar wrote:

How bad is your sense of direction that you can't take a call in between turns? Really, it just pauses the navigation while you are on the phone and immediately resumes once you hang up. Shit, in all actuality I rarely even use the navigation unless I am out of town. I've never been interrupted whilst using navigation, and as a Realtor, my phone is my primary tool. I'm on it a helluva lot. I think sometimes we invent a technological crisis just because we admire our ability to work through them.

A more likely scenario is that someone calls me, wants to see a movie, and I need to hang up and check the movie times ..etc. But even then, what kind of douchebag makes the other person sit there holding whilst you peruse around to the moviefone app on your phone? ..lol A normal, decent human being says let me call you back in a sec.
Speakerphone.
I still hang up on your lame ass.
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2011-01-13 04:41:50
killer21
Because f*ck you that's why.
+400|6848|Reisterstown, MD

CapnNismo wrote:

mcminty - that's why there's a speaker phone and/or Bluetooth headset capability. Still talk and navigate.

And yes, that's just how CDMA works. I don't know, however, if the LTE network that they've been building is any different though.
The LTE network apparently will be able to have a phone call and data transfer at the same time...or that is the thought anyway.
2011-01-13 05:43:18
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
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I am sure that the situation has arised on a few occasions for a few people. However, that does not contitute a "huge" fail.  Just curious .. how often do you guys use navigate?  Do you guys not know your home towns, or are you just a bunch of traveling gypsies? I mean, of course there is a use for it.. like for people who get lost easily, or travel/work. But how often is it really interferring with your oppurtunity to make and take calls (on Verizon)? I still contend that it is for the most part, not that important for most people. I'd also bet that most people are even oblivious to the fact that you can't do it.  I usually only pay attention to the gps navigation for a brief moment when the key turns come up. Actually I find the whole android gps experience fucking annoying. Maybe its the voice .. maybe its because I am a masterful navigator on my own.. maybe its because dudes aren't supposed to get directions.


Lte has been live here in Tampa for a month or so. .. for laptops at least. The plans aren't realy worth it. I read an article awhile ago that said that if you used your data plan constantly for 32 minutes on Verizon lte you'd burn through all of bandwidth on the best plan. http://mobile.pcmag.com/device2/article … 767,00.asp
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2011-01-13 06:36:21
killer21
Because f*ck you that's why.
+400|6848|Reisterstown, MD

Honestly Kmar, I've used the whole phone and data thing probably twice since I've had my iphone 4.  To me, it's not a "huge fail" thing that should detract people from getting the 3G version from Verizon.  I have used the GPS for a few places that my normal GPS can't find because it was military related or whatever.  But it was never in conjunction while I was on the phone.  In all honesty, a regular GPS would suffice in most situations which would really make the gps feature on the iphone 4 irrelevant...at least to me anyway.
2011-01-13 06:43:38
Cheez
Herman is a warmaphrodite
+1,027|6696|King Of The Islands

mcminty wrote:

Hmm, CDMA sounds rather flawed...
Remember when they turned it off 5 years ago?

Memories.

Edit: I just realised my phone is 5 years old now. I need to upgrade.

Last edited by Cheez (2011-01-13 06:44:23)

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2011-01-13 11:59:28
Ilocano
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killer21 wrote:

Honestly Kmar, I've used the whole phone and data thing probably twice since I've had my iphone 4.  To me, it's not a "huge fail" thing that should detract people from getting the 3G version from Verizon.  I have used the GPS for a few places that my normal GPS can't find because it was military related or whatever.  But it was never in conjunction while I was on the phone.  In all honesty, a regular GPS would suffice in most situations which would really make the gps feature on the iphone 4 irrelevant...at least to me anyway.
How often do you update your GPS?  I have a Tom Tom, a Nuvi, and one in the Odyssey.  But all three maps are at least a year old.   I use my GPS not just to find an address, but for POI.  Family goes out a lot on the weekends.  We're somewhere and we want to find the closest whatever fancies us eating place.  I use the phones POI navigation to find someplace to eat.  Need a McDonalds.  Go online on the phone, go to locator, highlight address and have it use the GPS to get us there.

On phone + movie scenario.  Stay online, speakerphone.  Keep talking while browsing so we can discuss what show to watch, where, and when.
2011-01-13 12:52:16
killer21
Because f*ck you that's why.
+400|6848|Reisterstown, MD

I try and keep it updated every few months or whenever they have a map update for it.  Like I said, I have used the GPS on my iphone a couple of times and it is quite nice actually.  That is a good scenario because I have come across that when I called the wife and she wanted to find a number to buffalo wild wings that had just opened up near us.  So I minimize the conversation and opened up Safari and found the place.  It was quite convenient. 
2011-01-13 13:22:05
Kimmmmmmmmmmmm
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i use the 'google navigation'
Sometimes it understands me Speak the destination. the abilty to then also stream music at the same time is great for roading. But to start that you have to minimize the Map. The iphone had the ability to start the music player when you did a button combo on the phone exterior. i wish the droid would do that. less mess, easier to drive that way hah./
Incoming call scenario: the music stops. but google navigate will continue to talk while you are conversing. it's kind of rude.
2011-01-13 13:46:00
Ilocano
buuuurrrrrrppppp.......
+341|6924

Kimmmmmmmmmmmm wrote:

i use the 'google navigation'
Sometimes it understands me Speak the destination. the abilty to then also stream music at the same time is great for roading. But to start that you have to minimize the Map. The iphone had the ability to start the music player when you did a button combo on the phone exterior. i wish the droid would do that. less mess, easier to drive that way hah./
Incoming call scenario: the music stops. but google navigate will continue to talk while you are conversing. it's kind of rude.
Well, would you have preferred to miss the turn during the conversation?

What's annoying are the incoming email or message audio alerts that shuts down the mp3 player.  Kind of annoying if you are blasting the music, silence, then chime, slience, then music again.  Yeah, really no workaround to it save changing alert to vibrate.
2011-01-13 22:28:39
nickb64
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takeaway for me: meh

for my sister/mom: might be good, they wouldn't even give a shit if it was outdated in a month or two from buying it, plus iOS has a far smaller learning curve for non nerds.
2011-01-13 22:33:55
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
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killer21 wrote:

Honestly Kmar, I've used the whole phone and data thing probably twice since I've had my iphone 4.  To me, it's not a "huge fail" thing that should detract people from getting the 3G version from Verizon.  I have used the GPS for a few places that my normal GPS can't find because it was military related or whatever.  But it was never in conjunction while I was on the phone.  In all honesty, a regular GPS would suffice in most situations which would really make the gps feature on the iphone 4 irrelevant...at least to me anyway.
Honesty, I like it.

As I said before, I'm sure the voice+data conundrum is something that applies to some people. But the combination of things that need to happen in a scenario are for the most part non relevant. Certainly not to the scale of a "huge fail". I'm only picking on this point because the implication is that it is a major deciding factor to people. I don't think that is the case at all. I'm sure that if I went to all of my Verizon using friends (which is almost all of them), and said did you know that you can't use data and talk on the phone at the same time? .. they'd say "No. Really?".
Actually, I imagine the conversation would have went something like this.

Me: Hey, remember that one time we wanted to see a movie and I had to hang up and call you back?
Friend: Yea, that ruined my night.
Me: Well, as it turns out, if I was on a gsm service I wouldn't have had to hang up at all!
Friend: Sweet feathery hell! What a huge fail you are, loser.

CapnNismo wrote:

AT&T's 3G network is also faster than Verizon's. AT&T's only problem has been the shoddiness of the network coverage, beyond that, it's pretty stout.
Well. Yea, this is actually a huge fail depending on where you live (like Tampa). Coverage is arguably the most important detail there is. Having the fastest network with no coverage is like having a Ferrari but not being able to find the keys. Also, don't buy into the "AT&T covers 97% of Americans" crap. That simply means that they have been issued a license to provide coverage to those people. It is not an indication of how well that service is provided. If their service was truly competent then they wouldn't be scoring so low in publications like Consumer Reports.
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2011-01-14 05:20:46
killer21
Because f*ck you that's why.
+400|6848|Reisterstown, MD

Kmar wrote:

Well. Yea, this is actually a huge fail depending on where you live (like Tampa). Coverage is arguably the most important detail there is. Having the fastest network with no coverage is like having a Ferrari but not being able to find the keys. Also, don't buy into the "AT&T covers 97% of Americans" crap. That simply means that they have been issued a license to provide coverage to those people. It is not an indication of how well that service is provided. If their service was truly competent then they wouldn't be scoring so low in publications like Consumer Reports.
It's funny.  When Verizon and AT&T were going through their "bitch slapping each other" phase with their commercials, AT&T always said that they "had the most coverage" but never mentioned about being the most reliable.  AT&T is just too inconsistent for my tastes.  If I could, I would switch to Verizon but I am going to wait until next year when they release a newer version of the iphone - possibly iphone 5.  Doesn't make sense for me to switch right now to Verizon and have to pay 175 termination fee for essentially the same phone minus a few features I already have. 
2011-01-14 09:24:42
Ilocano
buuuurrrrrrppppp.......
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I hear that the new iPhone will offer wireless tethering.  Of course Jobs will declare it a new innovation.
2011-01-14 18:46:35
Hurricane2k9
Pendulous Sweaty Balls
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Not to mention most Americans probably live in dense metropolitan areas. How about when you're traveling between those areas? EDGE (2G) at best on AT&T in a lot of upstate New York, from my experience.
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2011-01-14 18:51:47
13urnzz
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Hurricane2k9 wrote:

Not to mention most Americans probably live in dense metropolitan areas.
nuh uh, the only dense areas are on the coasts. while 'rural' my not be 50% anymore, small town america still rules.

if you don't believe me, http://forums.bf2s.com/viewforum.php?id=15

edit; Verizon kicks at&t ass in rural america

Last edited by burnzz (2011-01-14 18:52:32)

2011-01-15 03:38:43
jaymz9350
Member
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burnzz wrote:

edit; Verizon kicks at&t ass in rural america
yep in the area I live in I'd guess 90+% of people I know are on Verizon due to them actually having service in most area's.  There are only a couple small area's (like a couple sq mi at most) where I get little to no service around here with verizon while some carriers seem to only have a couple sq mi of coverage.

 

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