lowing
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+1,662|7038|USA

Shocking wrote:

Do you feel like you're bound to a bigger community that you need to provide for? Has it been taught to you since boyhood that people ought to take care of eachother? You know that those dreadful welfare systems are a result of that mindset as well, right? People take care of eachother and it also means that many feel like they have responsibility to a bigger collective.

Do you have that? No. Does your new orleans looter feel like he has a responsibility to his community? No, just to himself. Does that open a door to taking advantage of someone else's misery? Yes.
My opinions stem from helping those that can not help themselves. So yes, my neighbors in crisis is a crisis for me.

Getting flooded out is not my green light to rape and pillage my neighbor because "I am free". ( I really hope you grasp how ridiculous that argument is).   if it happens I would lend a hand the best way I can to my community in need.
Shocking
sorry you feel that way
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Why would you help your neighbours in crisis when you've been touting for years that people only get in trouble because of their own incompetence? You won't provide for eachother on a national level what makes you think people will on a smaller scale?

These looters act completely on their own, it's a direct consequence of an extremely individualistic society that something like this will happen more than in a collectivistic society. It doesn't mean it's fucking accepted, I never said that. I say it's a consequence of the lifestyle the Americans prefer. You can't have it all.
inane little opines
lowing
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+1,662|7038|USA

Shocking wrote:

Why would you help your neighbours in crisis when you've been touting for years that people only get in trouble because of their own incompetence? You won't provide for eachother on a national level what makes you think people will on a smaller scale?

These looters act completely on their own, it's a direct consequence of an extremely individualistic society that something like this will happen more than in a collectivistic society. It doesn't mean it's fucking accepted, I never said that. I say it's a consequence of the lifestyle the Americans prefer. You can't have it all.
Well as I have maintained throughout my time on this forum, I believe in helping those that help themselves, an earthquake, a flood, a house fire are unarguably situations that are well beyond their control. Why wouldn't I help my neighbors? They  are hard working, have kids etc...

No it is not a consequence of a free society emulating personal responsibility and individualism. It is criminal behavior, nothing more than taking advantage of those you can exploit. No need to read into that.

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-Whiteroom-
Pineapplewhat
+572|7046|BC, Canada

lowing wrote:

Nic wrote:

lowing wrote:

A "tip of the hat" to the Japanese people and their dignity, respect and sense of unity they display in their crisis. No rapes no murders, no looting. Compare their behavior to that of New Orleans, LA or any other crisis in any American example, none of which can compare to the triple blow dealt Japan of earthquake tsunami and nuclear crisis at the same time. People of New Orleans, LA, you should be ashamed, for you were a disgrace then and you are indeed a disgrace still.
Lol just lol.
I disagree the behavior displayed in New Orleans would be funny, if not for how pathetic and tragic and disgusting it was. The Japanese has set the bar for how all civilized nations should carry themselves when faced with such a crisis.

Oh wait!! Were you laughing at my observation without showing me how wrong it is? For that, not much I can say except, go figure "just" go figure.
Actually lol because its an American attitude, not a LA/ New Orleans attitude. And at the fact that you are obvious troll sometimes. I'm actually torn between being impressed and a bit of pity that you have kept the act up so long.
lowing
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+1,662|7038|USA

Nic wrote:

lowing wrote:

Nic wrote:

Lol just lol.
I disagree the behavior displayed in New Orleans would be funny, if not for how pathetic and tragic and disgusting it was. The Japanese has set the bar for how all civilized nations should carry themselves when faced with such a crisis.

Oh wait!! Were you laughing at my observation without showing me how wrong it is? For that, not much I can say except, go figure "just" go figure.
Actually lol because its an American attitude, not a LA/ New Orleans attitude. And at the fact that you are obvious troll sometimes. I'm actually torn between being impressed and a bit of pity that you have kept the act up so long.
Sorry, not a troll, my opinions haves remained consistent since I have been here. I am honest. If it were an "act" I would never be able to remember what I lied about from post to post.

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Shocking
sorry you feel that way
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lowing wrote:

Well as I have maintained throughout my time on this forum, I believe in helping those that help themselves, an earthquake, a flood, a house fire are unarguably situations that are well beyond their control. Why wouldn't I help my neighbors? They  are hard working, have kids etc...

No it is not a consequence of a free society emulating personal responsibility and individualism. It is criminal behavior, nothing more than taking advantage of those you can exploit. No need to read into that.
Well, you're really just wrong about that assessment, there's not much more I can add to the argument I made. It's really not as simple as "the japanese have honor" or something like that, a country's government as a whole usually reflects the social values people hold. And especially when something like a natural disaster hits, you're going to fall back on the way of life that you have been carrying around for as long as you lived.

We're talking about a situation in which not only your neighbour's house burns down, but yours as well, and every other house in the street for that matter. You expect Americans to suddenly turn from the individualism that has been at the core of your society for centuries, to supporting everyone around them? Not a chance.
inane little opines
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7038|USA

Shocking wrote:

lowing wrote:

Well as I have maintained throughout my time on this forum, I believe in helping those that help themselves, an earthquake, a flood, a house fire are unarguably situations that are well beyond their control. Why wouldn't I help my neighbors? They  are hard working, have kids etc...

No it is not a consequence of a free society emulating personal responsibility and individualism. It is criminal behavior, nothing more than taking advantage of those you can exploit. No need to read into that.
Well, you're really just wrong about that assessment, there's not much more I can add to the argument I made. It's really not as simple as "the japanese have honor" or something like that, a country's government as a whole usually reflects the social values people hold. And especially when something like a natural disaster hits, you're going to fall back on the way of life that you have been carrying around for as long as you lived.

We're talking about a situation in which not only your neighbour's house burns down, but yours as well, and every other house in the street for that matter. You expect Americans to suddenly turn from the individualism that has been at the core of your society for centuries, to supporting everyone around them? Not a chance.
Ummmm 'the way of life I have been carrying around for as long as I lived" is not one of rapping or murdering my neighbors and shooting people trying to help me. Remember, we are not talking about 3 weeks later or something, when people get desperate, and start to fight for survival, we are talking about the VERY NEXT DAY!

As an example, the US and the American generosity is now, and usually is, first on the scene with aid. THat fact alone does not support your opinion.

It is not my gut instinct to turn to killing looting or raping my community as a result of being responsible and free. sorry.

As I said, I don't recall hearing stories of rape murder looting and shooting emergency workers coming out of any other city or town hit by Katrina, and we all are under the same govt.

What about the communities that get hit with tornadoes, there are no reports of rape and murder and shooting aid workers in any of those examples either. It is your assessment that might be wrong.

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-Sh1fty-
plundering yee booty
+510|5861|Ventura, California
One of the mother's of this child that comes to our daycare asked us to keep him inside for the whole day. She's afraid he'll get cancer from the Japanese radiation if he ventures outdoors too long.

Needless to say it was hard to keep a straight face when she said that. She must be trollin'
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Uzique
dasein.
+2,865|6857
shifty you're trolling yourself when you look down your nose at 'dumb people' whilst walking around peddling that bible shit door-to-door every sunday.
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Poseidon
Fudgepack DeQueef
+3,253|6925|Long Island, New York
so there was this big earthquake in Japan
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,820|6493|eXtreme to the maX
15,000 dead at the last estimate.

I heard a suggestion that Queensland should take some evacuees, hotels are empty, holiday season is over, it would be a good thing to do.
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11 Bravo
Banned
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Dilbert_X wrote:

11 Bravo wrote:

Nic wrote:

11b for mod
go talk about your stupid ass winter sports or something.  kthx.
You mean hockey?
no snow in LA of phoenix
lowing
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lol I just got blamed for starting this latest round of personal attacks against me!!!
-Sh1fty-
plundering yee booty
+510|5861|Ventura, California
I apologize in advance if this is a repost.

Source - Fox News

"External Power Line Connected to Crippled Nuke Plant..."

The Tokyo Electric Power Co. has connected an external transmission line with the stricken nuclear power plant Friday and confirmed that electricity can be supplied, Reuters reported, in a move hoping to cool down the exposed nuclear fuel rods.

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lowing
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-Sh1fty- wrote:

I apologize in advance if this is a repost.

Source - Fox News

"External Power Line Connected to Crippled Nuke Plant..."

The Tokyo Electric Power Co. has connected an external transmission line with the stricken nuclear power plant Friday and confirmed that electricity can be supplied, Reuters reported, in a move hoping to cool down the exposed nuclear fuel rods.
good luck to them.

Also, I hope the "heroes" that volunteered to expose themselves to a certain early and probably torturous death will never be forgotten.
-Sh1fty-
plundering yee booty
+510|5861|Ventura, California
Are you certain that they volunteered?
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Trotskygrad
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-Sh1fty- wrote:

Are you certain that they volunteered?
probably...

they're japanese *gets banned for racism*

no but seriously, there probably would be volunteers, people of any race/nationality love to think that they died doing something for the greater good and emergencies like this are one of the most guaranteed ways to get recognition.

I respect them for what they're doing, only hope that they won't die in vain.

Last edited by Trotskygrad (2011-03-18 17:26:44)

-Whiteroom-
Pineapplewhat
+572|7046|BC, Canada

lowing wrote:

-Sh1fty- wrote:

I apologize in advance if this is a repost.

Source - Fox News

"External Power Line Connected to Crippled Nuke Plant..."

The Tokyo Electric Power Co. has connected an external transmission line with the stricken nuclear power plant Friday and confirmed that electricity can be supplied, Reuters reported, in a move hoping to cool down the exposed nuclear fuel rods.
good luck to them.

Also, I hope the "heroes" that volunteered to expose themselves to a certain early and probably torturous death will never be forgotten.
This, those guys are going above and beyond in the extreme. I just hope what they pay for it works in the end.
Monkey Spanker
Show it to the nice monkey.
+284|6639|England

-Sh1fty- wrote:

Are you certain that they volunteered?
Yup all over the Japanese news about the volunteers @ the power station. They have even been thanked by the Emperor which just doesn't happen.
Quote of the year so far "Fifa 11 on the other hand... shiny things for mongos "-mtb0minime
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lowing
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Monkey Spanker wrote:

-Sh1fty- wrote:

Are you certain that they volunteered?
Yup all over the Japanese news about the volunteers @ the power station. They have even been thanked by the Emperor which just doesn't happen.
Is there any word as to how they are doing health wise?
-Sh1fty-
plundering yee booty
+510|5861|Ventura, California
How dangerous is this anyway? Do they just die or is this a lingering process that will take months of treatment and pain until they die? Hope if they have issues that it's quick and painless.
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Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6988|132 and Bush

Irresponsible report: Radiation level rise in California.

Responsible report: Radiation level rise in California. Increase is literally one billionth of what is considered harmful.

It is amazing is that we even have equipment that can pick that virtually infinitesimal amount up.
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Da Blooze
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It's very dangerous in the proximity that they're working, and it worsened quickly.

I'm guessing they are resigned to die because they know they've probably already received an eventually lethal dose.  It's the difference between starting to develop cancer(s) in the near future and eventually succumbing to the illness over the next year/several years, versus dying in a matter of weeks or months.

The longer they stay on, the more radiation is accumulated, and the quicker the end is going to come.

Sort of like being told:  "You are now going to die in the near future.  You can choose to leave, and die slowly over the next year or two, or you can stay, be a hero, and die in less than 6 months."

Still obviously a tough decision, but I'm guessing that if you knew your time was up soon, you'd probably be much more prone to making selfless decisions.
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Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6988|132 and Bush

http://gps.alaska.edu/ronni/sendai2011.html
Visualization of the earthquake slip & seiemic wave using GPS.

The movie shows the displacements as well as body(?) and surface waves created by the M9.0 and M7.9 earthquakes in Japan on March 11, 2011 between 05:30-06:30 UTC. Each dot/arrow represents a continuous high precision GPS station of which more than 1200 are distributed throughout Japan in a network called GEONET. This is an absolutely unique instrumentation density found nowhere else on the world. I visualize and postprocess the 30 second positioning solution provided by the ARIA team ("Preliminary GPS time series provided by the ARIA team at JPL and Caltech. All original GEONET RINEX data provided to Caltech by the Geospatial Information Authority (GSI) of Japan.").

The blue vectors show horizontal displacements, meaning that the direction of the vector on the plot actually points in the direction of motion/displacement. The red vectors show vertical displacement; which is either up or down from the GPS site's initial position as indicated by the arrow head. The base of all arrows denotes the location of the GPS site. All displacements shown are with respect to the first measurement of the UTC day 2011-March-11.

What you see is both dynamic displacement and static displacement and what the difference between an order of magnitude for an earthquake means in terms of energy release and affected region. The dynamic displacement is composed of at least three components.
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oz.
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Kmar wrote:

Irresponsible report: Radiation level rise in California.

Responsible report: Radiation level rise in California. Increase is literally one billionth of what is considered harmful.

It is amazing is that we even have equipment that can pick that virtually infinitesimal amount up.
lol.

Trust the media!
everything i write is a ramble and should not be taken seriously.... seriously.

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