Rights and duty are often different things.
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Rights trump duty. Defending its citizens' rights is primary duty the country owes its citizens. You seek to disenfranchise citizens because of their vocation. It's ridiculous.Dilbert_X wrote:
Rights and duty are often different things.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Do you have freedom of speech while serving in the military?
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yes. but its fucking stupid to talk politics amongst your co-workers.Dilbert_X wrote:
Do you have freedom of speech while serving in the military?
Could a General appear on TV and endorse a political candidate?
A General one day after retiring?
A General one day after retiring?
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you got generals and vets out protesting against wars.Dilbert_X wrote:
Could a General appear on TV and endorse a political candidate?
A General one day after retiring?
picardfacepalm.jpgDilbert_X wrote:
Do you have freedom of speech while serving in the military?
When you sign up to serve (military or civil service, though the latter has fewer restrictions), you voluntarily suspend some aspects of your rights in order to protect those of others. You still have the right to vote for whomever you want. You can even work on their political campaigns in your spare time--just not in uniform. Nor can you attend rallies or make public statements while in uniform, or give any impression while not in uniform that your position is in any way affiliated with the US military.
So you're not really losing that much. You just have to change clothes to participate when you leave work and you have to be careful how you phrase things to avoid the appearance of official endorsement.
You make it sound as if you're not allowed to say anything, vote for anyone, or have anything resembling a normal life. Simply not the case.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
'dead bad guys' as if they're some fucking object.. It seems people forget that these guys are actually human.1stSFOD-Delta wrote:
Yeah they do, but nobody cares.Dilbert_X wrote:
Those rules don't apply in the field, derp....unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Rules are rules.
COURT MARTIAL!
Rule on desecrating corpses do.
Just like nobody cares about pissing on dead bad guys.
As people have said, it's incomparable to killing, not because killing is worse, but because killing is an accepted consequence of war. It's the sad truth, but most of us have come to terms with that - every death is a tragedy, but it is, unfortunately, inevitable in warfare. 'tis why soldiers are generally excused and morally permitted to kill, if for nothing else than to save their own lives.
But that doesn't mean that all moral ideals are discarded, it doesn't mean that you can't have some fucking respect/humbleness for the fact that you've just ended human life.
Jay, newbie, etc, stop trying to remove the symbolic meaning of the action. No, it's not just 'a bit of salty water that will wash off' - it's a blatant celebration of death, a show of domination. It's similar to sticking their heads on a stick and using it as a trophy. That's why people are upset by it.
Also, if it was 'just pee', they wouldn't be standing around in a fucking circle filming it.
I understand that these guys are under a lot of psychological stress, that after months in a war-zone you need to distance yourself somehow to be able to cope (guys in the helicopter who killed that journalist are an example), but that doesn't make their actions right.
Just as in some countries civil servants voluntarily suspend some aspects of their 'rights' in the interests of the greater good.FEOS wrote:
When you sign up to serve (military or civil service, though the latter has fewer restrictions), you voluntarily suspend some aspects of your rights in order to protect those of others.
Glad we cleared that up.
In the US there seems to be an unwritten rule where former Presidents STFU and let the next guy get on with the job.
Its a shame Aussie PMs can't seem to do that.
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Jens says it well.
Jenspm wrote:
Jay, newbie, etc, stop trying to remove the symbolic meaning of the action. No, it's not just 'a bit of salty water that will wash off' - it's a blatant celebration of death, a show of domination. It's similar to sticking their heads on a stick and using it as a trophy. That's why people are upset by it.
Also, if it was 'just pee', they wouldn't be standing around in a fucking circle filming it.
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Its going to get more troops killed.usmarine wrote:
get over it. way way worse things in the world.
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Here, it's a legal thing. Once you're out, there are no restrictions. You are advocating that once you've served, you shouldn't be allowed to speak. If you paid attention, you would've noticed that I pointed out that even when in service, military/civil servants can speak publicly, they just can't say they are speaking on behalf of their organization or in an official capacity. That's why that "CIA endorsement of Ron Paul" was nonsense. It was nothing of the sort.Dilbert_X wrote:
Just as in some countries civil servants voluntarily suspend some aspects of their 'rights' in the interests of the greater good.FEOS wrote:
When you sign up to serve (military or civil service, though the latter has fewer restrictions), you voluntarily suspend some aspects of your rights in order to protect those of others.
Glad we cleared that up.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
One asshat can ruin the reputation of the whole organisation.
Do you think people will be more or less inclined to assist the CIA if they know its simply a paid waiting room for a cushy job with the GOP and not about 'protecting freedom' after all?
Will Abdullah put his and his family's life on the line if he know's his handler doesn't really give a shit and is just marking time until he can get a spot on Fox?
Once you've served you should be careful about what you say, that is all.
Do you think people will be more or less inclined to assist the CIA if they know its simply a paid waiting room for a cushy job with the GOP and not about 'protecting freedom' after all?
Will Abdullah put his and his family's life on the line if he know's his handler doesn't really give a shit and is just marking time until he can get a spot on Fox?
Once you've served you should be careful about what you say, that is all.
Fuck Israel
You assume that the general public is pretty stupid, don't you? Particularly those outside the US, apparently.
And that guy was an analyst, IIRC...hardly anyone's "handler." The ones who are really out in the field don't want their faces on TV, and look askance at those who do. You've taken one person and assumed he is an example of an entire organization.
Fail.
And that guy was an analyst, IIRC...hardly anyone's "handler." The ones who are really out in the field don't want their faces on TV, and look askance at those who do. You've taken one person and assumed he is an example of an entire organization.
Fail.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
The public isn't stupid, they know that if someone is lining themselves up for a cushy job after working for the govt then they will be taking decisions at work to maximise their chances of getting that cushy job.
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Gingrich Wins The GOP Debate In The First Five Minutes
NORTH CHARLESTON, South Carolina—Newt Gingrich scored an early victory in tonight's Republican Presidential Debate with an indignant response to moderator John King's question about his ex-wife.
"I am appalled that you would begin a presidential debate on a topic such as this," Gingrich said to huge applause.
He added that bringing up the issue so close to the primary "is as close to despicable as anything I could imagine."
Gingrich's ex-wife Marianne Gingrich told ABC News' Brian Ross that Gingrich asked her for an open marriage so he could carry on an affair with his current wife, Callista. Gingrich and his daughters have denied the charge.
When King tried to defend his network, noting that the interview with the former Mrs. Gingrich is airing on ABC later tonight, Gingrich attacked CNN for repeating the "false" claims in the interview.
"It was repeated by your network, you chose to start your debate with it. Don’t try to pass the blame on to someone else," he said to a standing ovation.
Gingrich is paying the victim card and media critic with aplomb. This is the only thing anyone will be talking about tonight, and he won the moment.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
Haha wow that went so well for him it's untrue.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
Wow, he (King) sure got owned.
Of course, Gingrich has never slung mud at anyone.
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Yep. Totally unreasonable for them to ask personal moral questions of the guy running as the uber-social-conservative.Kmar wrote:
Gingrich Wins The GOP Debate In The First Five Minutes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl … Yf_005EqDMNORTH CHARLESTON, South Carolina—Newt Gingrich scored an early victory in tonight's Republican Presidential Debate with an indignant response to moderator John King's question about his ex-wife.
"I am appalled that you would begin a presidential debate on a topic such as this," Gingrich said to huge applause.
He added that bringing up the issue so close to the primary "is as close to despicable as anything I could imagine."
Gingrich's ex-wife Marianne Gingrich told ABC News' Brian Ross that Gingrich asked her for an open marriage so he could carry on an affair with his current wife, Callista. Gingrich and his daughters have denied the charge.
When King tried to defend his network, noting that the interview with the former Mrs. Gingrich is airing on ABC later tonight, Gingrich attacked CNN for repeating the "false" claims in the interview.
"It was repeated by your network, you chose to start your debate with it. Don’t try to pass the blame on to someone else," he said to a standing ovation.
Gingrich is paying the victim card and media critic with aplomb. This is the only thing anyone will be talking about tonight, and he won the moment.
(the loud cheering at political debates/rallies/speeches bothers me to no end )
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"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
I like how the Bush legacy is completely ignored as if it never happened. Don't think I've heard his name mentioned once in the Republican debates.
'Cause no one really gives a fuck about Bush.AussieReaper wrote:
I like how the Bush legacy is completely ignored as if it never happened. Don't think I've heard his name mentioned once in the Republican debates.
The irony of guns, is that they can save lives.
It's been four years. Get over it. He's as relevant as Clinton.AussieReaper wrote:
I like how the Bush legacy is completely ignored as if it never happened. Don't think I've heard his name mentioned once in the Republican debates.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat