atheism does not mean that you don't believe in god.presidentsheep wrote:
Atheist means you don't believe in god, agnostic means you don't know enough about it.
Therefore I am an agnostic atheist, compared to say an agnostic theist, who doesn't know for certain but believes.
Calling yourself purely agnostic is just stupid and calling yourself an atheist is arrogant.
Atheism is the belief there is no god.
atheism isn't a belief, dude.
KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
atheism does not mean that you don't believe in god.presidentsheep wrote:
Atheist means you don't believe in god, agnostic means you don't know enough about it.
Therefore I am an agnostic atheist, compared to say an agnostic theist, who doesn't know for certain but believes.
Calling yourself purely agnostic is just stupid and calling yourself an atheist is arrogant.
WIKI wrote:
atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities.
Your thoughts, insights, and musings on this matter intrigue me
FFS Kennings, are we starting this again? Being an atheist does not mean you are irreligious. Quite the opposite, in fact.
well then, i guess floppy has unlocked the mystery, via wikipidia. you are too dense to even bother responding to. Why didn't i think of just consulting wikipedia.FloppY_ wrote:
KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
atheism does not mean that you don't believe in god.presidentsheep wrote:
Atheist means you don't believe in god, agnostic means you don't know enough about it.
Therefore I am an agnostic atheist, compared to say an agnostic theist, who doesn't know for certain but believes.
Calling yourself purely agnostic is just stupid and calling yourself an atheist is arrogant.WIKI wrote:
atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities.
EWven Dawkins makes the same point, in The God Delusion: "I am agnostic only to the extent that I am agnostic about fairies at the bottom of the garden."
that's not really the argument here, and i don't really disagree (somewhat) with that statement.DesertFox- wrote:
FFS Kennings, are we starting this again? Being an atheist does not mean you are irreligious. Quite the opposite, in fact.
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atheism is the rejection of belief in deities. 'religion' is the organised worship of deities, around theological and theistic principles.DesertFox- wrote:
FFS Kennings, are we starting this again? Being an atheist does not mean you are irreligious. Quite the opposite, in fact.
antitheism is the active opposition of deities- something a little more than atheism.
spirituality and religiosity are two very, very different things.
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Religion doesn't necessarily have to be theistic. Deities are usually what people think of when you throw the word 'religion' out, but there's more to it than that.
How so? I know they are but I'd like to hear your take on it (mainly because I can't explain it myself).Uzique wrote:
spirituality and religiosity are two very, very different things.
spirituality is an innate, individual and psychological process.
religiosity is the organized, inter-personal, communal experience of spirituality... normally organised around social hierarchies and power exchanges.
that's my personal distinction.
i guess you could say that spirituality is a belief or faith in 'otherness' derived from within your own consciousness and thought-process, whereas religion is a belief or faith in 'otherness' reliant upon definitions, systems and practises already established by other human beings; thus, even if you are a methodist or a puritan and have a 'direct connection' with your deity, you are still very much inculcated in a human tradition. spirituality is located a level of skepticism and cynicism below that human construct.
religiosity is the organized, inter-personal, communal experience of spirituality... normally organised around social hierarchies and power exchanges.
that's my personal distinction.
i guess you could say that spirituality is a belief or faith in 'otherness' derived from within your own consciousness and thought-process, whereas religion is a belief or faith in 'otherness' reliant upon definitions, systems and practises already established by other human beings; thus, even if you are a methodist or a puritan and have a 'direct connection' with your deity, you are still very much inculcated in a human tradition. spirituality is located a level of skepticism and cynicism below that human construct.
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Well put, and what I think too. Just articulated a lot better
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LOL, Berlusconi...he just can't stop digging his own grave.
Italian PM Silvio Berlusconi has been indicted to stand trial on charges of paying for sex with an under-age prostitute and abuse of power.
Examining judge Cristina Di Censo said the process would start on 6 April, after prosecutors in Milan asked for an immediate trial.
Mr Berlusconi denies paying for sex with Karima El Mahroug when she was 17.
He also rejects claims that he abused his power by seeking her release when she was detained in another case.
He has called the accusations "groundless" and dismissed the case as a farce.
Mr Berlusconi does, however, acknowledge that he called the police while she was being held on suspicion of theft.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-12083491He said he was doing a favour for the then-Egyptian leader, Hosni Mubarak, because Mr Berlusconi was told the girl was Mr Mubarak's granddaughter.
most italians like berlusconi, don't let our media distort the view. the guy is an incredibly popular politician with the rural and conservative majority of italians. and it's not as if corruption charges or public indecency is a big deal in italy, either... it's almost culturally entrenched. i can guarantee the italian voting-public are making a whole lot less of this court case 'fiasco' than we are over here in tut-tutting western europe.
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He does own a huge amount of the media in Italy and I'm guessing judging by this guy's character most of it is the low brow type so I wouldn't be surprised, it would be like Murdoch running for power here. If he wasn't Australian he'd have an easy time being King and Prime Minister of the UK.
i think it's more to do with the culture of italy than to do with any malign media ownership... sure, berlusconi is the richest and most influentail entrepreneur/businessman in italy as well as its statesman... but his popularity and rise with the people's politics is largely to do with the attitude of the voting public towards him. money cannot buy the opinion of the common man. in italy it simply isn't that big of a deal to be a bit of a lothario in the sheets, or to be a bit brash and braggadocio towards state affairs. the 'opposition' to berlusconi in italy largely seems to be the new, upcoming young generation of students, and the disilluisioned liberal-leaning educated elite. that's still a very small percentage of the total voting demographic, though.
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^and the feminists
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-12473446
tl;dr - Guy puts a "thief" sign around his employee and parades him to the police station, the employee sues his boss for being given such treatment and wins a settlement
cue generic outrage from the usual suspects. But I'm siding with the "thief" here. Innocent until proven guilty is a staple of our society. No need to be humiliated like that. He has his own story, there's no reason to dismiss his story, brand him as a low bit thief and believe his boss.
Try explaining that to the Daily Mail etc.. though.
The law makes sense, most of the time. He was within his rights to take his asshole Boss down
Everyone always gets annoyed when women ruin men's life with rape accusations that stick with them even if they prove to be false. This isn't much different.
tl;dr - Guy puts a "thief" sign around his employee and parades him to the police station, the employee sues his boss for being given such treatment and wins a settlement
cue generic outrage from the usual suspects. But I'm siding with the "thief" here. Innocent until proven guilty is a staple of our society. No need to be humiliated like that. He has his own story, there's no reason to dismiss his story, brand him as a low bit thief and believe his boss.
Try explaining that to the Daily Mail etc.. though.
The law makes sense, most of the time. He was within his rights to take his asshole Boss down
Everyone always gets annoyed when women ruin men's life with rape accusations that stick with them even if they prove to be false. This isn't much different.
I had to read that article in the sun today. Fuck I hate the sun, I should start buying my own papers, maybe I'll get that "I".
Defamation of character is also a crime. Especially when the person defamed hasn't been charged, let alone had their right to a fair trial.Mekstizzle wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-12473446
tl;dr - Guy puts a "thief" sign around his employee and parades him to the police station, the employee sues his boss for being given such treatment and wins a settlement
cue generic outrage from the usual suspects. But I'm siding with the "thief" here. Innocent until proven guilty is a staple of our society. No need to be humiliated like that. He has his own story, there's no reason to dismiss his story, brand him as a low bit thief and believe his boss.
Try explaining that to the Daily Mail etc.. though.
The law makes sense, most of the time. He was within his rights to take his asshole Boss down
Everyone always gets annoyed when women ruin men's life with rape accusations that stick with them even if they prove to be false. This isn't much different.
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something. - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
Wow, if only we all had jobs where we could flee the state to piss off and thwart our colleagues!