There is a pop-out button on every chat piece. Just look for it.Sisco wrote:
I use it to talk to my family and friends mostly. But the sound quality got worse over the last months with me suffering from outages on a rather regular basis. And the new fancy layout made messaging a total pain in the ass. Or is there a way to have the messaging pop up in a seperate window for every chat you have?
watSisco wrote:
And the new fancy layout made messaging a total pain in the ass.
I'm going to use Teamspeak in my business.
Like a bawss.
Like a bawss.
everything i write is a ramble and should not be taken seriously.... seriously. ♥
I highly doubt they're going to ruin Skype.Kurazoo wrote:
So they've ruined WLMessenger now they'll ruin Skype.
Live/Hotmail was dying anyway, and this wasn't a move for any sort of messenger. This was a direct counter move to Apple's Facetime and Google Voice. This is a move for mobile phones, not the actual computer software. Integration of Skype on WP7 with something like Facetime would be a HUGE advantage over both Google Voice and Facetime. The move was pretty damn smart, and I highly doubt they're going to ruin Skype. Look what they've done with Windows 7 and WP7; they're damn revolutions in comparison with their other stuff. This will get handed to that team of people, not the retards who made Messenger and Live.
This is an improvement move, not a "Windows will destroy everything with this" move.
Actually it is true.CapnNismo wrote:
Actually that's not true. Due to Skype's lack of encryption on a lot of things and the not 100% reliability (anyone remember that huge outage last winter?), most large enterprise solutions turn elsewhere. Apparently Cisco is the weapon of choice here...KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Depends what you use it for. I use it at work for conferencing/communicating across continents. Skype's used in business far more than any other messeging platform. As far as I'm concerned, skype is awesome and saves my company a shit ton of money.
Skype does use encryption, just not very powerful encryption, it's a cost/benefit choice, you obviously aren't going to use it for communicating high value information nor do you need 2048 bit encryption, the time constraints are too stringent.
CapnNismo is going off what he reads on the internet, I'm going off experience where the last 3 companies I've worked for have used skype for conference and business communications
hahahahahaaaaaatazz. wrote:
I'm going to use Teamspeak in my business.
Like a bawss.
skype isn't crapping up SO far...
we shall see
I don´t have one, I have to click on each contact in the list on the left to see the idividual chat, which annoys me greatly.CapnNismo wrote:
There is a pop-out button on every chat piece. Just look for it.Sisco wrote:
I use it to talk to my family and friends mostly. But the sound quality got worse over the last months with me suffering from outages on a rather regular basis. And the new fancy layout made messaging a total pain in the ass. Or is there a way to have the messaging pop up in a seperate window for every chat you have?
256bit AES Rijndael encryption is more than sufficient to stop anything from listening in. It's used in the US Government to encrypt classified information. Unfortunately it's not about the actual call itself but the surrounding parameters and actions that are insecure in Skype. There are loads of articles on it.Sturgeon wrote:
Skype does use encryption, just not very powerful encryption, it's a cost/benefit choice, you obviously aren't going to use it for communicating high value information nor do you need 2048 bit encryption, the time constraints are too stringent.
Still, safe enough for most companies to use well.
My bad, someone told me they were using 128bit DES, yeah AES is more than enough for a messenger
I'm going by what I read from journalists who know what they're on about.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
CapnNismo is going off what he reads on the internet, I'm going off experience where the last 3 companies I've worked for have used skype for conference and business communications
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Skype doesn't have a network that is 100% reliability. Due to the way it works (almost like a torrent network), it doesn't have a central backbone of infrastructure that provides the best quality. I don't know about other mobile carriers, but as an example the largest mobile carrier in Austria has two networks: an enterprise and a consumer. Both are excellent, but the enterprise network receives priority because companies that have large contracts with the carrier are obviously worth a lot and receive special care. Skype doesn't have anything like this. Enterprise users are just like normal users.
For smaller companies this obviously isn't an issue whatsoever, but if you are talking about global multinational corporations where communication is key, you always need to have the ability to remain in contact. Then with the complex IT security practices that you have to deal with, admins don't just push updates as they come to users within the company. Updates are often evaluated to make sure that they don't present any new risks to a company's network or assets. Why do you think IE6 and so many other legacy systems have been around so long? This is also a reason why Chrome isn't the best option for businesses - Google updates the browser automatically and rapidly and that leaves admins with having very little control over the browser that is being used in the company short of compiling their own from the Chromium project's source code.
In contrast, you have products from companies like Cisco that provide the reliability and security that Skype does not. Here's a list of cited security issues that Skype suffers from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skype_security
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Skype has been this way for a long time, possibly more than a year. I really, really hated it at first but now I like it a lot. It is kind of like how steam chat has tabs now, everything is just done through the one window and you dont have 5 of them flashing at you.Sisco wrote:
I don´t have one, I have to click on each contact in the list on the left to see the idividual chat, which annoys me greatly.CapnNismo wrote:
There is a pop-out button on every chat piece. Just look for it.Sisco wrote:
I use it to talk to my family and friends mostly. But the sound quality got worse over the last months with me suffering from outages on a rather regular basis. And the new fancy layout made messaging a total pain in the ass. Or is there a way to have the messaging pop up in a seperate window for every chat you have?
I only have one person on Skype, and that's a mate who lives in Sweden.FatherTed wrote:
i honestly don't know anyone (my age at least) who still uses MSN messenger or any client really. what with everyone having a phone, and contracts getting cheaper and cheaper its texting for everything. at the outside maybe FB chat. skype was very popular in uni though, handy for doing group work/talking to family (and thus saving money for beer)
Like you say, plans are cheap these days. I never even come close to going over my cap and I never limit my phone use for anything, though I don't make all that many calls to begin with I guess.
Yeah, I know it´s like this for some time, but I miss the old system. I don´t like the steamchat either, I always prefered having several windows open seperately.TimmmmaaaaH wrote:
Skype has been this way for a long time, possibly more than a year. I really, really hated it at first but now I like it a lot. It is kind of like how steam chat has tabs now, everything is just done through the one window and you dont have 5 of them flashing at you.Sisco wrote:
I don´t have one, I have to click on each contact in the list on the left to see the idividual chat, which annoys me greatly.CapnNismo wrote:
There is a pop-out button on every chat piece. Just look for it.
I often send links back and forth with the people I´m skyping with, while chatting with others in the background and that was much more comfortable when you had seperate windows for each.
I work for a global multinational company. We use skype. You are wrong.CapnNismo wrote:
I'm going by what I read from journalists who know what they're on about.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
CapnNismo is going off what he reads on the internet, I'm going off experience where the last 3 companies I've worked for have used skype for conference and business communications
Edit:
Skype doesn't have a network that is 100% reliability. Due to the way it works (almost like a torrent network), it doesn't have a central backbone of infrastructure that provides the best quality. I don't know about other mobile carriers, but as an example the largest mobile carrier in Austria has two networks: an enterprise and a consumer. Both are excellent, but the enterprise network receives priority because companies that have large contracts with the carrier are obviously worth a lot and receive special care. Skype doesn't have anything like this. Enterprise users are just like normal users.
For smaller companies this obviously isn't an issue whatsoever, but if you are talking about global multinational corporations where communication is key, you always need to have the ability to remain in contact. Then with the complex IT security practices that you have to deal with, admins don't just push updates as they come to users within the company. Updates are often evaluated to make sure that they don't present any new risks to a company's network or assets. Why do you think IE6 and so many other legacy systems have been around so long? This is also a reason why Chrome isn't the best option for businesses - Google updates the browser automatically and rapidly and that leaves admins with having very little control over the browser that is being used in the company short of compiling their own from the Chromium project's source code.
In contrast, you have products from companies like Cisco that provide the reliability and security that Skype does not. Here's a list of cited security issues that Skype suffers from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skype_security
Ken, you're talking about one company in a sea of thousands... just because YOUR company prefers Skype, doesn't mean that is the rule for EVERY company. I'm just simply presenting the information as I have read and discovered it. Not trying to argue with you.
Sorry Sisco, I was wrong with what I said. If you click "View" along the top of the Skype window (I am assuming you're using Windows), then click "Compact View" in the drop down menu. To go back to the original, click the same menu only this time click "Default View". After that just double click on the user's name you wish to chat with and you're good to go.Sisco wrote:
I don´t have one, I have to click on each contact in the list on the left to see the idividual chat, which annoys me greatly.
skype mobile is one of those softwares i cannot get off my android until i wipe it - what yall call that wipe action? hah well it's one of THOSE running processes. :<
Yeah, I found that one, that´s close to it, but it opens the whole info/call/large picture window. I guess I´ll have to go with that.CapnNismo wrote:
Sorry Sisco, I was wrong with what I said. If you click "View" along the top of the Skype window (I am assuming you're using Windows), then click "Compact View" in the drop down menu. To go back to the original, click the same menu only this time click "Default View". After that just double click on the user's name you wish to chat with and you're good to go.Sisco wrote:
I don´t have one, I have to click on each contact in the list on the left to see the idividual chat, which annoys me greatly.
If you really want it how it used to be - just use Skype on Linux
It probably isn't the rule for every company. Every company I've interacted with here (probs upwards of 15) all use skype. To the point where when they give you their contact info they include their skype ID. But, I'm simply refuting what you are saying is standard. Now of course my company wouldn't use a cisco solution because we are direct competitors, but our vendors (who also build for cisco) use skype as well. I'd say that's pretty good evidence that what you've read isn't all that accurate.CapnNismo wrote:
Ken, you're talking about one company in a sea of thousands... just because YOUR company prefers Skype, doesn't mean that is the rule for EVERY company. I'm just simply presenting the information as I have read and discovered it. Not trying to argue with you.
here's the only relevant information to our debate from your source-
see highlighted part. Who says it has to be a customer-centric solution?It's been one issue with Skype since long before Microsoft came knocking on its door: Skype, despite usage by businesses the world over, isn't an enterprise-grade product.
"Skype, while having some nice communications features, is still a consumer-grade solution," said Steve Hilton, head of enterprise research for Analysys Mason, in a Tuesday note. "Enterprises don't want low quality communications services when dealing with customers. While enterprises will trade-off lower prices for lower quality, they could have purchased Skype solutions long ago had they wanted to save a few dollars (or pounds or Euros)."
in other words, you don't know what you're talking about
Whatever, dude - I'm just repeating what I've read. My main point was that Skype has yet to achieve the status of a true, enterprise-grade product. I never said businesses didn't use it.
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