FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
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13urnzz wrote:

i have personally seen what Huntsman can do - think rationally, reach across the aisle, and exemplify the best of what the term "Republican" used to mean.

i also volunteered at the 2002 Olympics and met Mitt, he seemed genuine in the brief time i was around him.

but i also know that mormans have their own brand of batshit ideas, separate from the teabaggers.

FEOS wrote:

I don't disagree that he may not be the best guy for the job...but as compared to another four years of the incumbent? I'd take it.
you know, i can't think of one Bush era policy that obama retired. can you?
Reasonable spending levels...even though we thought they were unreasonable at the time.

For one.

Putting a definite end date for Iraq and Afghanistan.

Two.

Initiating substantial defense cuts.

Three.

To give him credit, he's now talking about doing stuff he used to bash Bush for trying to do, as if it were his (Obama's) idea: reforming entitlements. Don't think it'll happen, though.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

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13urnzz
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FEOS wrote:

Reasonable spending levels...even though we thought they were unreasonable at the time.

For one.

Putting a definite end date for Iraq and Afghanistan.

Two.

Initiating substantial defense cuts.

Three.

To give him credit, he's now talking about doing stuff he used to bash Bush for trying to do, as if it were his (Obama's) idea: reforming entitlements. Don't think it'll happen, though.
one - Bush was no Republican when it came to spending.

two - there's a reason you don't put an exact date on troop withdrawal (ask someone's who've served in the military on this forum)

three - true, i'll give you this one. the best way to cut defense spending is to give a real number to the Joint Chiefs and let them come up with the cuts.

it's how Republican's have done it in the past. oh wait, Obama's not a Republican, he just acts like one.
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6798|'Murka

13urnzz wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Reasonable spending levels...even though we thought they were unreasonable at the time.

For one.

Putting a definite end date for Iraq and Afghanistan.

Two.

Initiating substantial defense cuts.

Three.

To give him credit, he's now talking about doing stuff he used to bash Bush for trying to do, as if it were his (Obama's) idea: reforming entitlements. Don't think it'll happen, though.
one - Bush was no Republican when it came to spending.
No disagreement on that. Hence the "we thought they were unreasonable at the time" comment.

two - there's a reason you don't put an exact date on troop withdrawal (ask someone's who've served in the military on this forum)
Yah. I'll be sure to ask someone...if I can find someone nearby who's ever served. Maybe I'll just ask one of my co-workers next time I'm in the office?

Spoiler (highlight to read):
Sixteen years and counting on active duty not enough for me to figure that one out on my own?

three - true, i'll give you this one. the best way to cut defense spending is to give a real number to the Joint Chiefs and let them come up with the cuts.

it's how Republican's have done it in the past. oh wait, Obama's not a Republican, he just acts like one.
Except for socialized medicine and hundreds of billions of dollars in regulations over the past 2.5 years. Yeah. Just like a Republican.

Or not.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
13urnzz
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burnzz wrote:

oh wait, Obama's not a Republican, he just acts like one.

FEOS wrote:

Except for socialized medicine and hundreds of billions of dollars in regulations over the past 2.5 years. Yeah. Just like a Republican.

Or not.
billions of dollars in regulations? what, because he won't completely gut the EPA and

tried to put in place brakes on Wall Street, and the Consumer Protection Act? Republicans wouldn't even fund those, please show me which 'regulations' got passed? like closing Gitmo?
13urnzz
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i so don't give a fuck anymore. my mission is to vote against anything that will help any children anywhere, because i don't have any.

i teabag on future generations, fuck 'em.
13urnzz
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don't have healthcare? fuck you too.
13urnzz
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didn't save for retirement? too bad. you put into the Ponzi scheme? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA good luck getting that back!

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13urnzz
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roads falling apart? don't blame me.
13urnzz
Banned
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i'm selling my house so the local breeders can't nick me for property tax, anymore. let them home school the little fuckers, i don't care.
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6798|'Murka

13urnzz wrote:

burnzz wrote:

oh wait, Obama's not a Republican, he just acts like one.

FEOS wrote:

Except for socialized medicine and hundreds of billions of dollars in regulations over the past 2.5 years. Yeah. Just like a Republican.

Or not.
billions of dollars in regulations? what, because he won't completely gut the EPA and

tried to put in place brakes on Wall Street, and the Consumer Protection Act? Republicans wouldn't even fund those, please show me which 'regulations' got passed? like closing Gitmo?
So they're ALL needed? "Think of the children"...right?

http://www.heritage.org/research/report … regulation

Abstract: The burden of regulation on Americans increased at an alarming rate in fiscal year 2010. Based on data from the Government Accountability Office, an unprecedented 43 major new regulations were imposed by Washington. And based on reports from government regulators themselves, the total cost of these rules topped $26.5 billion, far more than any other year for which records are available. These costs will affect Americans in many ways, raising the price of the cars they buy and the food they eat, while destroying an untold number of jobs. With the enactment of new health care laws, financial regulations, and plans for rulemaking in other areas, the regulatory burden on Americans is set to increase even further in the coming year.
More

In fact, according to a report by the Small Businesses Administration, businesses with 20 or fewer employees faced an annual regulatory cost of $10,585 per employee in 2008.  In total, according to that same report, compliance with federal regulations cost businesses around $17.5 trillion in 2008 alone.  And unfortunately, Congressional Democrats and President Obama have only made it worse since then.  Between Dodd-Frank, ObamaCare, and actions by federal agencies like the Environmental Protection Agency and the National Labor Relations Board, we have seen a huge onslaught of federal regulations and red tape that is burying American businesses in paperwork, driving up the cost to do business.  A recent study by the Heritage Foundation reports that 43 major regulations were imposed in the 2010 fiscal year, with an estimated economic cost of $26.5 billion.
And another

And another
The Economist has a look at regulation in the age of Barack Obama and concludes that unlike many other charges lobbed against the president, the notion that he has enmeshed America in stifling new rules is well grounded.

During his first two years in office, President Obama issued 132 “economically significant” new rules, the costs or benefits of which each exceeded $100 million a year. That is about 40 percent more than the annual rate under both George W. Bush and Bill Clinton. And many of the regulations associated with health care and financial reform are still to come.

Existing rules are also being enforced more keenly. The workplace safety regulator slapped employers with 167 percent more violations during Obama’s first year than in Bush’s last. The Food and Drug Administration has stepped up scrutiny of drugs that have already been approved for sale. The regulatory workforce has grown 16 percent in the last two years while private employment has fallen.

Not all of the new rules are detrimental to the nation’s recovery but the sheer size of them coupled with the widespread expectation—or fear—that even more regulations will be enacted in the years to come, is certainly not good for business. “Also unquantifiable is the innovation that may be deterred by regulation,” according to The Economist.

Rules meant to deter the abuse of student aid by for profit colleges could stunt the growth of college courses taught over the Internet; tighter conditions on drug approvals, prompted by much publicized scandals, raise the cost of drug research, especially for small companies; and “net neutrality” rules could expose Internet access providers to stifling litigation.

Every government intervention in the private sector has unintended consequences; none of them ever benefit growth and business freedom.

President Obama hasn’t been good for capitalism these last two years. He is now reaching out to the business community and signalling a willingness to scrap unnecessary bureaucracies and rules. Let’s hope the next two years will be better.
And there's still more...trying to avoid a tl;dr.

And Obama's "regulatory review" doesn't apply to new regulations. Weird.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

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13urnzz
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hey! i'm onboard now! fuck people that have children, are poor (46 M and growing) don't have healthcare, and aren't responsible enough to keep their own air clean!

DON"T BLAME ME, MY MOVEMENTS BEEN AROUND BEFORE OBAMA WAS PRESIDENT!
13urnzz
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oh yeah, my local congressional rep helped gridlock congress too, added bonus. we showed that fucker in the White House! he does he think he is, our elected executive or something?

hang in there Chaffetz, help is coming, we'll swap out the one guy for another guy just like him in 2012!
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6798|'Murka

13urnzz wrote:

hey! i'm onboard now! fuck people that have children, are poor (46 M and growing) don't have healthcare, and aren't responsible enough to keep their own air clean!

DON"T BLAME ME, MY MOVEMENTS BEEN AROUND BEFORE OBAMA WAS PRESIDENT!
You seem to be implying I'm a tea partier. Not the case.

I just don't drink the DNC kool-aid.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
13urnzz
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FEOS wrote:

13urnzz wrote:

hey! i'm onboard now! fuck people that have children, are poor (46 M and growing) don't have healthcare, and aren't responsible enough to keep their own air clean!

DON"T BLAME ME, MY MOVEMENTS BEEN AROUND BEFORE OBAMA WAS PRESIDENT!
You seem to be implying I'm a tea partier. Not the case.

I just don't drink the DNC kool-aid.
i don't give a flying fuck what you are- the right, the left, the goddam middle of this country is screwed thanks to the efoorts of both.
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5745|London, England

13urnzz wrote:

FEOS wrote:

13urnzz wrote:

hey! i'm onboard now! fuck people that have children, are poor (46 M and growing) don't have healthcare, and aren't responsible enough to keep their own air clean!

DON"T BLAME ME, MY MOVEMENTS BEEN AROUND BEFORE OBAMA WAS PRESIDENT!
You seem to be implying I'm a tea partier. Not the case.

I just don't drink the DNC kool-aid.
i don't give a flying fuck what you are- the right, the left, the goddam middle of this country is screwed thanks to the efoorts of both.
You've been a lot more angry since you lost your job...
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6798|'Murka

13urnzz wrote:

FEOS wrote:

13urnzz wrote:

hey! i'm onboard now! fuck people that have children, are poor (46 M and growing) don't have healthcare, and aren't responsible enough to keep their own air clean!

DON"T BLAME ME, MY MOVEMENTS BEEN AROUND BEFORE OBAMA WAS PRESIDENT!
You seem to be implying I'm a tea partier. Not the case.

I just don't drink the DNC kool-aid.
i don't give a flying fuck what you are- the right, the left, the goddam middle of this country is screwed thanks to the efoorts of both.
So glad you feel so strongly aboot it.

Maybe before you trash the movement so much, you should research what they stand for a bit more. All the shit you're bitching about is exactly what they were created to try to fix (see Kmar's post in DST Chats).

It's ironic that you dislike them so much when you actually agree with them on so much...
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
13urnzz
Banned
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FEOS wrote:

It's ironic that you dislike them so much when you actually agree with them on so much...
i apologize for disparaging your service, that was low. As Jay pointed out a week ago, i sounded just like a Tea Partier then.

it was not an accident, and i really have voted for the best candidate for president since 1980 - i posted so you would eventually look at and defend who and why you did.

Neither party has it right, and of all the candidates past and present i can say Reagan's 2nd, Ross Perot's 1st and Bush's 1st were the campaign's that made the most sense to me.

i regret only the Long War advocacy that Bush endorsed, i feel my other votes were not in vain.
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6798|'Murka

13urnzz wrote:

FEOS wrote:

It's ironic that you dislike them so much when you actually agree with them on so much...
i apologize for disparaging your service, that was low. As Jay pointed out a week ago, i sounded just like a Tea Partier then.

it was not an accident, and i really have voted for the best candidate for president since 1980 - i posted so you would eventually look at and defend who and why you did.

Neither party has it right, and of all the candidates past and present i can say Reagan's 2nd, Ross Perot's 1st and Bush's 1st were the campaign's that made the most sense to me.

i regret only the Long War advocacy that Bush endorsed, i feel my other votes were not in vain.
I didn't see it as you disparaging anything...I just figured you didn't know. Plus, you seem a little lit up right now.

In the general, I vote for the best candidate, regardless of party. I didn't vote R or D in the last election.

I'm a registered Republican simply because I disagree with less on the Republican platform than on the Democrat platform. Notice I said the party, not the individual. I'll vote in the primary for whomever I feel best represents my views on the most issues, knowing they won't be batting 1.000...hell, they probably won't even be batting .650. But they'll be doing better than the donkey.

My first presidential election was Bush/Dukakis. That was a no-brainer, even though I wasn't as educated on the various issues then as I am now. I was torn between Bush and Perot in 92. Honestly can't remember which one I voted for, it was so close in my mind. I voted for Dole in 96...tons of respect for Dole on many levels, plus Clinton's behavior sickened me. Yes, the whole government was actually doing well at that point, but the lack of integrity on his part was something I couldn't abide by (not the cheating on the wife, the lying under oath). Loved Bush's platform in 2000. Wish he had moved back toward that, as much as possible, after 04.

I'm perfectly comfortable with every vote I've ever cast, from the local level all the way up through president. I'll be even more comfortable with the votes I cast in the 2012 election.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
13urnzz
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Ty
Mass Media Casualty
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The man does not have a nose for avoiding these sorts of photo ops.
https://queerty-prodweb.s3.amazonaws.com/wp/docs/2011/08/rick_perry_th.jpg
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[Blinking eyes thing]
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Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
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Seems like he's trying to sell me a used ford mustang in this speech.

Xbone Stormsurgezz
Spark
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F M D
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
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Hyuck, hyuck, hyuck.

Also, /live free or die hard poster
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6798|'Murka

Come on back to Texas, Rick. We've got a state that needs governen'...cuz you can do that much better than debatin'.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
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Yes, please go back to Texas. The world does not need another incoherent bible thumping drunk.

LOL Texas.
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