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2006-02-17 14:32:53
OnePumpChump
Member
+0|7134|Ohio

TriggerHappy998 wrote:

And you're missing my point. Either play the game as it is... or quit. That's mostly what I'm trying to say.
How many times and how many different threads does this have to be repeated? Every thread about this patch always ends in this statement, as it should. Either play the game or quit, or better yet, just waste your time complaining about this patch in 200 different threads stating the same thing.

Last edited by OnePumpChump (2006-02-17 14:34:59)

2006-02-17 14:44:08
[RI]Crazy88s
Member
+0|7106
Or have a perfectly viable point and then get ur post deleted because you said FUCK 3x and Noob 2x and the admin disagrees w/ u. Rofl..... www.ragingiron.com for teh win.
2006-02-17 14:53:23
niomosy
Member
+26|7134

TriggerHappy998 wrote:

niomosy wrote:

TriggerHappy998 wrote:


Bugs will always be present in any and every game. It's a known fact that you can't please everyone. Thus people will complain.
This is true.  There's still some validity in bringing up those problems, I think.
I agree, but over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again?
Yeah, I know.  It gets old, particularly for a site admin.  I can sympathize.
2006-02-17 15:15:30
\o/ AfterMath
Member
+0|7114
I wish I could bitch to my boss enough and get a raise! I really wish life worked like that. Personal I never had a problem w/ anything in the 1.12 patch. I could kill bunnyhoppers and noob tubers like no other. If they got me you know what "OH THE FUCK WELL!"
But what never fails is they patch and everyone is right. Those people that sucked before still suck now! But to top it off now I have to relearn the damn game b/c they whinned so much for change and now theres change and they still suck.

AGREED AGREED AGREED!!!
Preach on Trigger!
2006-02-17 15:23:04
Dr_3V|L
Member
+51|7170|Twente, The Netherlands

GeneralDodo wrote:

this patch is excellent. personally, i'm loving it. the only reason n00btubers and bunnyhoppers are complaining is because they lost their lame tactic and not to mention, the only one they knew. you n00bs should quit bitching and learn how to adapt.
You wouldn't adapt to the people who used the game as it's meant to be played. Instead you bitched and whined to let Dice make the game easier for you. So why should they adapt now? Logic man... sad.

Last edited by Dr_3V|L (2006-02-17 15:43:25)

2006-02-17 17:19:43
oldschool3638
Member
+0|7201
Trigger - absolutely correct on many levels...no more whining.

I LOVE the new 1.2 patch. My litmus test for BFx changes is - does it make the "game" a more realistic simulation. As for the "strength" of the AA - well, I KNOW a few folks who dodged SA-X missiles for real - and they'll tell you that you either learn to adapt - or die in a big damn hurry.

Being able to reload on the run and not having dolphin diving morons fresh from Nintendo and XBoxland pollute a simulation sure excites me. The first evening I ran with the 1.2 patch I was much more successful using REAL WORLD squad and close order infantry tactics.

If you want to bunny hop - go play on your Playstation, but leave we older folks who grew up with paper SSI games that want to have some fun, comraderie, and simulate the real world the hell alone.

Thanks Trigger,
Just Another Old Fart
2006-02-17 23:05:10
Flyboy63
Member
+8|7149|South Australia
Good post.
2006-02-17 23:15:23
GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
+1,860|7089
The new patch is the shit
2006-02-17 23:34:05
pokerplaya
want to go heads up?
+11|7179|cairns australia
its called darwins theory of evolution.survival of the fittest.adapt or die.get over it we have the patch now and we are stuck with it good or bad.ffs they cant please all the people all the time only some of the people some of the time.if you hate it now dont play ,dont complain,find something else to do.this forum is now full of complaints about the patch and its gone to far.at last count there were 25 pages of whinging about aa wtf.waaaa waaaaa waaa
2006-02-17 23:45:49
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|7120|Canberra, AUS
Is it possible to start deleting/closing some of these threads?
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
2006-02-18 00:42:24
GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
+1,860|7089
grenading a car is not just feasible bit in some cases better,  you might hit the fuel line and have an even bigger explosion...in real life.  Im so glad that throwing C4 shit is out the door though, that was a load of bullshit.  C4 is way to strong to thrown around like a grenade and detonated
2006-02-18 03:56:22
Patashnik
Member
+0|7092

TriggerHappy998 wrote:


Before the patch:

"FIX THE FUCKING AA!!!"

After the patch:

"FIX THE FUCKING AA!!!"

Before the patch:

"FIX THE DAMN BUNNYHOPPING!!!"

After the patch:

"WTF NOW I CAN'T THROW MEDIC PACKS AND AMMO PACKS FAR BECAUSE I CAN'T JUMP THROW!!! FIX IT!"
Is it same people complaining? Or is it one kid wanting oranges and the other wanting apples? Two different kids with different complaints.

I personally liked all the changes, but the big big BIG beef with the patch is this:
http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=14317&p=1
2006-02-18 04:04:43
pure_beef_69
Banned
+186|7091
the people whinin are the retards who cant fite on foot
2006-02-18 04:57:30
Dr_3V|L
Member
+51|7170|Twente, The Netherlands
Please shut up pure_beef_69 if you can't say something more in-depth than that.
2006-02-18 05:23:29
Sgt_Of_Marines
Member
+0|7088

d4rkph03n1x wrote:

BiRdMaN829 wrote:

d4rkph03n1x wrote:

I never actually complained about things at all, I don't think I have a single thread in BF2 : Complain. My main source of anger is the fact that EA now implements ludicrous elements into it's game, and makes it less fun.
What exactly is that supposed to mean?  Ludicrous elements?  Could you cite some examples and explain why they are so ludicrous?
Not being able to jump and shoot at the same time? I bet you I could do it?
I would like to address this.  Have you ever fired a weapon?  Better yet, have you ever fired a rifle?  To make a long post short, no, I do not think that you can fire and jump at the same time.  Having been a Sgt in the Marines with a frontline unit 3rdAAV, 1st MARDIV, and having some experience with shooting... the answer is no.  I would like to see a video of you trying though.  Mind you, it is physically possible, but not with any resemblance of accuracy ot hope of hitting anything but dirt.  I appreciate the added realism that the new patch has brought.  People constantly jumping and shooting without running out of breath (there is a run meter, how about a jump meter? j/k) was a bit of a pet peeve.  Try running around your backyard and jumping and see how long it lasts.  I think a video of that would be nice as well.  Regards...
2006-02-18 09:03:50
Patashnik
Member
+0|7092
as Sgt_Of_Marines I've also been in the army and I can say that no, people do not jump and shoot guns.

edit: I also want to say that the argument of "if you don't like it just shut up and don't play" is flawed.
As a customer EA/Dice has made a promise to you through the advertising and marketing of the game, then you as a customer PAY for it.

If it was a free downloadable mod the argument is perfectly valid, but to their paying customers EA/Dice has an obligation to meet (this includes fixing bugs and balancing the game).

This has nothing to do wether I like or dislike the changes, but the fact remains that companies have to listen to a paying customer base-

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2006-02-18 09:07:23
Navyseal99
Unintentional Good-Guy
+0|7102

TriggerHappy998 wrote:

This may not come as a surprise to many people, but all of you who are complaining about bugs and overpowered AA and the like are mostly the same people who complained about things before 1.2. Well guess what? You complained and DICE listened. All you people that are complaining, THIS IS WHAT YOU WANTED. I am so sick of seeing people complain. YOU ASKED FOR IT AND YOU GOT IT.

Before the patch:

"FIX THE FUCKING AA!!!"

After the patch:

"FIX THE FUCKING AA!!!"

Before the patch:

"FIX THE DAMN BUNNYHOPPING!!!"

After the patch:

"WTF NOW I CAN'T THROW MEDIC PACKS AND AMMO PACKS FAR BECAUSE I CAN'T JUMP THROW!!! FIX IT!"

Make up your fucking minds!


You people have two options as far as I am concerned:

1. Enjoy the game as it is.
2. Quit playing, you won't be missed.

Rebuttal?

P.S. If I see any posts in this thread about EA being money-grubbing assholes or something similar I'm going to delete your post. So sick and tired of seeing that shit.

P.P.S. Yes, I'm complaining about the complainers, get over it.
AMEN, BROTHER!!!!!!
2006-02-18 09:14:35
kn0ckahh
Member
+98|7183|netherlands, sweet lake city
i enjoied the game as it was i never complained about anything... mayb a phew player with dirty mouths but now i can say absolutly hate this patch....   and the AA was just like underpowered i dont care now its overpowered and i do care :S:S... and  well the bunnyhopping is just about kicking the habbit   im used to hopping and its very hard to walk without sprint bug and c4 bugs    but the good things: support is like a sniper.....  never ppl who start complaining about hopping.... and nobody wants to get into the chopper   jippee now its my turn to fly

Last edited by kn0ckahh (2006-02-18 09:19:31)

2006-02-18 09:23:16
laser3476
Member
+0|7230
I like the new patch I get so many more points a game know just think the only 2 problems are sometimes the weaponds don't shoot for some reason and the rocket lanches but then it does and you got to fire it again.
2006-02-18 09:32:19
Gilgalad
Renaissance Soldier
+2|7222|Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA
I usually leave long threads alone because most people don't bother to read the whole thing, but here I feel the need to say a little something.

First and foremost, I agree with most of what Trigger said. The pilots complained because when they weren't in a vehicle they couldn't handle the crazy movement of the ground pounders, and the ground pounders who couldn't even scratch a good pilot. These are the same unskilled (and unrounded) players who complained about both issues. Both had major obstacles thrown in thier way which makes the players redefine thier roles and strategies. Right now it is just chaos with every perceived "strength" being used by the masses.

I loved hearing the AA complainers talk about how now with thier l33t AA that no pilot could retain a 10:1 kill ratio. To this I laughed, and while I only had 2 or 3 kills per death for the first day or two, after modifying my flying style I managed several 15:1 rounds on Wake (PLA side). Carrier raping? Nope. But I used my AA missles a lot more to shoot down helos and enemy planes.

The movement changes on the ground were a bit heavy handed in my opinion. Running in place when standing up was quite lame, but whatever... Grenades being shot at feet now just have a slight delay before killing you and the one who fired it, so the system can be tweaked to obtain the original intent, but isn't outright bad.

The PKM accuracy is a problem though...
2006-02-18 09:43:53
KnowMeByTrailOfDead
Jackass of all Trades
+62|7126|Dayton, Ohio
I have not problem with the changes they made, i just think it is a little buggy right now.  Like the not being able to hear people shooting at you when they are just on the other side of the street, or the Tow rockets not working right,  I took 3 consecutive shots last night and they did not guide at all, they just dropped like dead weight and hit the ground, and they didn't explode.  I exited the TOW and jump back in and it started to work right.  Really though that is about all i have noticed.  Game on.

Edit,

I must say I was very suprised how ineffective the blackhawk guns have become.  I think I am better off with a couple snipers in the back then with those guns.  I was flying for 5 minutes and nither of my guns got  a single kill and we were only about 100 feet off the ground.  They were firing the whole time.  I realize that they didn't weaken them that much, they just took away the splash damage.

Last edited by KnowMeByTrailOfDead (2006-02-18 09:52:45)

2006-02-18 09:44:08
Ashford
Member
+2|7094
I have to agree, but make the AA a little more realistic , am mean it turning 180 degrees to hit me plane and then still following me while pulling a rolling dive is pretty unrealistic. Not to say I went 40 kills and 2 deaths in a plane. I LOVE THE NEW PATCH. every nub just runs to the AA. when they hear my plane coming i have a screenshot if you guys dont believe me.
2006-02-18 11:57:44
Pineapple_Pez
Member
+2|7189

priznat wrote:

I'm with Trigger on this one, enjoy the game. It is, after all, *only* a game.

I'm looking forward to being able to play maps with airplanes without being strafed/bombed for the 137th time in a row. It shouldn't be about realism or being able to use certain tactics, it should be the game should be fun for the widest spectrum of players. Not whoever has cultivated some really irritating tactic the game designers probably didn't intend to be in there. Sure, it may take some skill, but if it is no fun to play against, remind me why we're playing the game again?
This is one of the best posts I have ever read.
2006-02-18 12:13:42
d3v1ldr1v3r13
Satan's disciple on Earth.
+160|7130|Hell's prison
Personally, I think the patch is hilarious.  Its almost like EA were being smart-asses when they made it and now they are laughing.  We wanted a tougher AA or weaker Aircraft, well with their sense of humor we have both.  We wanted weapons more accurate.  We got it, now not alot of people cant stay alive very long because some dude with a PKM can knock you off a tank at the Hotel in Karkand from the Building in the center of the city.  We wanted an end to B-hopping, well now we cant throw stuff in the air anymore...Dolphin diving is gone...well, i never saw much use in that anyway.  But I think EA took all the stuff everyone was bitching about and ran with it!  End of story, they attitude was these kids want to complain, fine we will give them exactly what they want.  And yes they may have exaggerated things a bit.  But hey, if you did their jobs, which dont get me wrong its tougher than you may think, the tables would be turned and you would be hearing kids bitch about how they get owned on a daily basis because some douche got a few cheapshots, then you would heed the call, make a patch, and still bitch, having to surf the internet reading how unnappreciative little shits are of your work.  That would make you quite upset, something you put blood sweat and tears into just to have some 13 year old dork tell you how much it sucks.  Patch or not youre either going to play or put the game down.  Make the choice, It wont break my heart, just give me more of a chance of joining the server i want to join with you gone.  Now Piss off and go make rank!
2006-02-18 12:20:51
Hit_Sqd_BaKed
Member
+-2|7089
2 things 1. AA is too strong. AA isnt strong enough still. FYI if a rocket hit or even clipped a chopper or a plane the things going down, the fact that it takes more than one hit is unrealistic but hey its a game. 2. I think that before the patch a plane was able to out turn a rocket 99% of the time is retarded, its alot easier to shoot another plane down now after the patch but still not easy enough because it still takes more than one hit. But hey its a game gotta have some kind of chance. Dont you think it was funny that u were able to fly 100 feet off the ground straight at an AA going half speed ready to bomb it and the thing would still miss?? THE GAME IS JUST MORE REALISTIC!! I hope this makes sense to you people i just woke up 

 

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