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i still suspect maybe regular kitty daycare may help, with overnights sometimes. kitty cat adventures and all, break the routine. but, well, sunk cost fallacy may apply. if it's that rocky and nobody's having fun, may be for the best to break it off before it gets too painful. uzique's judgment on uzique's life and all.

so, the cat wins. maybe this can be serialized into a show with jack nicholson starring as uzique living with a 25 year old japanese woman and her diabolical feline.
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Cucked by a cat
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SuperJail Warden wrote:

Cucked by a cat
i did speak with my family about it, to get some outside perspective. obviously, it's been a long, hot, humid summer, with lots of time spent inside this 'new' home for one reason and another. it's been a pressure cooker, and the cat has been front and centre when i'd really rather have focused on any number of other, positive, feelgood aspects about just owning a new home. the other half has spent more time shopping around for new cat toys to keep her engrossed than she has for actual human furnishings. meh.

it was understood before we attempted moving in together, that i would be willing to try all the medication and allergy shots on offer by the japanese healthcare system (within reason; i wasn't prepared to spend $10,000s a year in expensive private treatments when that money could and should go towards, e.g., family planning or something). but if my health was still a problem, months in, she would get rid of it.

turns out, it's not my allergies, it's her cat's insane (lack of) training and socialisation. and she's not prepared to get rid of it for that reason. the cat was adopted from a shelter from kitten age in the first place, so maybe it has these attachment/abandonment issues 'baked in' to the firmware at BIOS flash v0.1. i don't know. but back to a shelter she will not send it. the alternative is i go back to the night-time entrepôts and bordellos, back to my street cat ways.

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OK, hear me out.

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On the basis that someone who has never seen a black hole can call themselves a cosmologist then I think I'm more than qualified to give relationship advice.

This has been going on four months, you're all climbing the walls, you need a time out to de-stress, get some sleep and get some perspective.
Probably you should both go away for a long weekend, get a cat-sitter or relative to look after the cat in your home.
Failing that one of you take a break, you'll both get some perspective.

At this point I think it is necessary to consult with someone competent who can read the dynamic of your partner and the cat and formulate a plan.
This person is more a person psychologist than a cat psychologist - holistic therapy is the big thing now.

Most cats can be made bearable, good cats even, with the right treatment and training, it does take time.
Generally they don't want to be nagging and dependent, its a lot of effort and is not good for them.

People are the bigger problem, why is your partner giving the cat a free pass on everything, not putting in the effort to develop the cat?
Lazy? Arrogant? Some psychological hangup or buried traumatic issue? Just spoiling the cat, living out something missed or missing through the cat or some other vicarious kick?
There are lots of rabbit-holes there.

Kitty daycare, catventure playgrounds, I have no idea about this at all. The age of the cat is a factor at this point, then again plenty of cats go into shelters at an older age and come out OK enough.

An issue with many cats is they are separated from their siblings too early - everyone wants a cute little kitten falling around but this is too young.
They need to develop their social skills with siblings and people, separate from the mother or they'll fix on the next mother and never separate.
Then again some cats just fixate on one person, usually a woman.

Good luck and remember to keep us updated.

(Also you can make many excellent cat toys with a sheet of newspaper)
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totally agree that we need a break. i did propose a long weekend away together, but i'm now thinking we need a proper de-escalation and to spend some proper time apart. i do need rest, i've been very self-aware of the fact that i'm operating way below optimal 'patient and understanding partner' levels at this point. initially, yes; now, i'm frayed, and i can be a bolshy little bastard at the best of times.

she did do a consultation with a trainer over the phone, which overall she seemed to think was good (probably because she said many placating things like "this is a very common scenario"), but i personally had my doubts. the advice seemed a bit wishy-washy when what i was expecting was something like a plan or regimen to get this thing into order. 'maybe it's crying because it doesn't like being locked up' was not exactly the nugget of insight i was hoping for, considering that when it wasn't locked up it still cried ... just right outside the bloody bedroom instead. the proposed strategy of 'give the cat everything it needs to be as relaxed, engaged and stress-free as possible' isn't quite music to my ears, considering at the moment all of those things come at the expense of my relaxation, concentration, and cortisol levels.

this cat is definitely over-attached. if my girlfriend goes to the toilet, it follows. if she takes a shower or brushes her teeth, it sits outside the bathroom door (that is, if its pawing can't open it so the cat can also be in the fucking wetroom with her). obviously when she comes to bed at the end of the night, the cat wants to follow where it isn't allowed. my girlfriend WFHs very often so the cat spends the majority of its life days sleeping on the chair with her basically, or sat on the desk, right there. inseparable.

the unfortunate thing is that i'm basically discovering my partner is emotionally over-wedded to this thing, too. not a good situation to be in, perched on the edge of things, very far away from home or an easy 'plan B'. she is slowly realising that she is emotionally unable to send it away to a pet minder for a few weeks ... at my increasing frustration and despair. i've been floating the idea of the cat being out the picture temporarily ever since week 1, when we encountered initial difficulties; but she didn't take any action. now in our latest round of bickering it turns out it's my fault for not 'coming up with concrete options' – but it's her pet, and i would feel wrong pressing a list of google'd homes or petminders on her ... she's been avoidant, in other words, and not wanting to do the difficult thing that might actually benefit our relationship.

now, i would never want my partner to give up their pet, it seems like a monstrous situation all round, but it's also slightly lacerating to realise that moving in with a cat is very much like marrying someone with kids from a pre-existing marriage. not an unworkable or necessarily unpleasant situation ... but the 'new relationship, new home, bright future together' thing has been demoted somewhat. it's now morphing into 'you're the one who needs to adapt and find a way to fit in with cat person's previous 15-year-plan'.

i think my partner fell into this emotional dynamic with the cat for a whole bunch of reasons. most busy corporate types in tokyo are chronically lonely. her family are up north in the boonies and not really around – and they don't sound particularly close anyway. her dating life was apparently in a bit of a nadir for a few years (she lived in new york for most of her 20s and only recently returned to japan, which was a life shock in-itself, i guess). for one reason and another, she found herself lonely and adjusting to a hard new reality 'back home'. and then covid ... enter the cat.

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Giving the cat everything it wants is about as intelligent advice as giving a toddler everything it wants and hoping it will turn out OK.
Cats do need limits.

How exactly to deal with an over-bonded person and over-bonded cat I don't really know. Gradual weaning off each other over time, scheduled together time with limits I would guess.
As far as the cat goes I think that means providing distraction more than a cold shoulder, the exception being not acceding to their demands at 4am.
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i mean, i'm sure she's disappointed in me too. i guess she was imagining this sunny summer together in a new place, laughing and cavorting with her favourite animal and a partner, working together to train the animal and overcoming any and all difficulties, etc. i have pretty quickly lost patience and become a grump. i guess a full third of the year without any progress and with extremely low levels of sleep has washed all that goodwill right out of me.

she keeps saying she wants a partner who is going to support her with this, but i don't know how to communicate the difficulty i'm having in both simultaneously wanting to help (for all our greater happiness) but also wanting to draw some boundaries so that i have my own space, physical as well as mental, in my own house. i didn't sign up for a 15-year project with an eternal toddler. i want to do everything possible to constructively nix this issue, but i also do ultimately think that her pet is her responsibility, and i can't let it run my life in the same way it's been allowed to run hers. i've already spent plenty of time researching cat behaviours, reading forums (writing here), checking subreddits, etc. it's occupying a lot of my mental space that i didn't bargain with. i don't know how to tell her that i moved to japan for many positive reasons, and spending half a year in crisis mode trying to house-break a cat wasn't near the top of the list. i guess i've become more and more despondent as i've seen the uphill battle i'm up against, with her mindset as much as the cat's lack of training. i've got hobbies and interests, dammit! i'm already taking on a lot just trying to exist in her country, learning a different language, adapting to her culture, etc. being a partner of infinite patience and resources with regards to a pet is a lot to ask.

i don't know if it's been wishful thinking, naivete, or actually selfishness that has got us to this point. probably a bit of all three.

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chatgpt wrote:

This sounds like a classic case of misaligned boundaries, obligations, and burnout—wrapped up in the fur of an overly coddled cat.

Let’s break this down with a level head.

---

### 🧠 First, the key facts:

* Your acquaintance is living abroad with someone who owns a *very spoiled and clingy cat*.
* The **cat disrupts sleep**, demands attention, and gets its way via the owner.
* **Attempts to set boundaries** are *undermined* by the owner, consciously or not.
* Your acquaintance is **allergic**, but managing with meds.
* They are investing time, money, and effort in **building a life** in this new country (home, language, etc.).
* This dynamic is **draining their energy and goodwill**, and it’s starting to **sour their relationship** with the cat’s owner.
* They’ve already **sacrificed hobbies** and personal time trying to make it work.

---

### ⚖️ What’s really going on?

There’s a **triangular imbalance** here:
Cat 🐱 ← Owner 🧍‍♀️→ Your acquaintance 🧍

The cat is indulged → The owner is enabler → Your friend is third-wheeling, both in relationship and space.
And it’s not just the cat causing the issue. It’s the **owner’s unwillingness** to respect *shared boundaries* that’s the core problem.

If the cat is a stand-in for an unresolved dynamic (control, co-dependence, escapism), then pushing harder to "win over" the cat or research cat behavior may be misdirected effort.

---

### 🧭 What are their options?

Let’s talk realistic paths, not fantasy fixes:

#### ✅ 1. **Reestablish Boundaries Clearly** (One Last Honest Conversation)

* Be frank (and calm) with the cat’s owner: this arrangement *isn’t sustainable*.
* Focus on impact, not blame: “This is affecting my sleep and peace of mind. I feel like I’m constantly accommodating, and it’s starting to burn me out.”
* Ask for specific changes: e.g. cat not allowed in bedroom at night, feeding/playtime schedule, owner taking responsibility when the cat is disruptive.
* This gives the owner a chance to step up *if* they’re willing.

#### ❌ 2. **Do *Not* Keep Pushing the Rock Pointlessly**

* No more deep cat research.
* No more sacrificing hobbies or social life to fix a one-sided dynamic.
* Respecting *their own limits* will help more than trying to "fix the cat".

#### 💤 3. **Short-Term Break Might Be Necessary**

* If a reset is possible (a weekend away, temporary sublet, even a digital detox at a friend's), they should seriously consider it.
* Physical space can restore perspective, sleep, and sanity.
* It sends a message: *"This situation is serious enough to step away from."*

#### 🛠️ 4. **If Nothing Changes, They’ll Need a Medium-Term Plan**

* If the owner won't budge and this affects mental health, sleep, and the core relationship, it might be time to reevaluate the living arrangement.
* That doesn't necessarily mean leaving the country or abandoning their investment—but maybe it means living apart or shifting the nature of the relationship.

---

### 🧩 Final Thought:

Cats are cats. People are people. The problem here isn’t feline—it’s human. If someone can't compromise or prioritize shared well-being, that’s a *relationship* red flag, not a behavioral quirk.

Your friend shouldn't martyr themselves to make this situation work. If they’re feeling consistently diminished, drained, or resentful, then their body and mind are already telling them what they need to do.

Let them know: **it’s okay to step back and recharge.** It might be the only way forward.

Would you like help drafting a message they could send to the cat owner or making a pros/cons table for their options?
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My girlfriend's dog died about last year. She hasn't gotten a new one. I made a decision to not date a girl with a pet every again. I am allergic to cats. If I see a girl with a picture with one and I mentally write her off for the exact reasons Uzique is trapped with a cat.

Run that in ChatGPT with the explicit "Macbeth from bf2s forums said this"
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my first ever really serious long-term relationship involved a very beloved cat. but it always seemed so quiet, mature, just a nice all-round addition to the family household. i totally understood my then-gf's fondness for it, even though it made me seriously ill to be around. she was bereft when it died and i tried my best to be as supportive as i could, not having really any framework for 'pet death' and never being around pets in my life.

my aunt and uncle, not being able to have children, have also been extremely bonded to cats their entire adult lives. when their cat died it was again treated as a full-scale human bereavement. the family supported them through it, but there was definitely a sort of tacit understanding after a while that 'it's just an animal'. maybe that's callous and i've just been raised in a terrible cavalier household full of hunting and outdoor sports types, i don't know. dogs are something kept in kennels, not your actual son, etc.

but this is just something else. probably living in a 60m2 apartment in total close proximity is a big contributor to it. i can't just fuck off and tinker in my own mancave for a bit whenever i've had enough of The Cat Narrative. it's unavoidable. and that's probably why she has grown so close to it, too. there's so little sense of perspective and 'space'.

i do know what you mean about pet owners being a potential red flag. on a dating app, whenever you see a girl who totally foregrounds her pet in her pictures and profile text, that's an obvious red flag (and, trust me, in japan there are lot of this type; cats are kawaii ^___^). in my more bitter and resentful moments i have thought 'this girl's whole life is work and her cat; that's it, no room for hobbies or social life or vacations'. middle-aged people burrowing themselves away with pets when it's the time in life for weddings and christenings is just something i can't understand.

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unnamednewbie13 wrote:

chatgpt wrote:

skynet's opinion
i guess this is interesting, the part about the cat being surrogate/stand-in for some other unresolved dynamic. what projections or repressions are involved in this?

i am also amused at the tone and the general air of 'yes master, you're right' that chat-GPT spits out. it dispenses with wisdom, to a degree, but then it's also always somehow eager ... to tell the user that they're right? god help the generation of people relying on this stuff for relationship advice.

a lot to think about. thank you silicon god.

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It does a very good job of making people's opinions and views sound more plausible or sophisticated than even they are able to come up with. I have put my own reddit posts through it to get an answer about how right or wrong I am without telling it the author. It can really analyze and expand on ideas very well. Also link them with things you previously put into it to build analogies of metaphors that fit. And fit well.

...

It is way more impressive than the anti-AI people who say "it is just repeating what other people wrote." No, it can work through complex stories, and ideas then formulate thoughtful responses.

The business and accountability side of AI is all fucked up but the tech is the real deal. And it actually makes me feel pretty alienated from the liberals who shit talk the tech side of it because they refuse to interact with it for what seems almost like identity politics reasons.
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it is impressive in the sense of 'the next generation of search engine and look-up tool'.

it's when people get too distracted and lost in the 'simulated' sociality aspect of it that i get scared. the way that it doesn't just produce results or information, but couches it in a sort of 'friendly' wrapper, as if it has a personality or 'intelligence'. that's a trap that is evidently one-shotting a lot of vulnerable/narcissistic/insanely lonely people. it's a bit like thinking that ask jeeves was a real butler, busying himself with your queries, and not only that but he really had your best interests in mind, always mi'lord.

all it's doing is regurgitating, like, tens of thousands of reddit posts and quora answers on a topic – which is a great development, as google has basically been an elephant graveyard you pass through to get to reddit for the last 10 years anyway – but instead of presenting it as such, it's always like "oh! good question! you really are thinking hard today, aren't you? have you had a glass of water? hehe! anyway, here's the thing ..."

a narcissist looking for validation would love this thing when presented with thorny relationship issues requiring a lot of cooperation or compromise. 'remember! the body knows the score! if you're unhappy now, it means your mind has made a decision. always look out for yourself!' hearing that is absolute catnip to a certain type of person.

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SuperJail Warden
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We just solved your issue. You need to introduce your girlfriend to an AI cat friend.
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i remember the same criticism was raised against chatrooms years back when that stuff was new, but at least it was other people. sinking of socializing bandwidth into ai is highly worrisome. similarly, people are using it for medical advice. and chatgpt doesn't consistently break immersion with "🤖 hey guys, i'm just a chatbot, seek help. "

generative ai can be used to decent effect in digging up relevant links that the usual enshittified search engines might have buried, yeah. other ai can at least be instructed to be antisocial. with elbow grease, you could probably build a halfway reasonable LoRA for anyone here.

i can't help but feel as if this stuff is an ever embiggening house of cards built on drying lakes.
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i am also amused at the tone and the general air of 'yes master, you're right' that chat-GPT spits out. it dispenses with wisdom, to a degree, but then it's also always somehow eager ... to tell the user that they're right? god help the generation of people relying on this stuff for relationship advice.
the ai can be both sides'd. according to this new skynet edict:

Thanks for laying that out clearly — this sounds like a tense situation with a lot of emotional weight on all sides, including the cat’s.

### Here's a breakdown of the situation:

---

### 🧍 Your Acquaintance:

* **Lives in their own country and co-owns a house** with the digital nomad.
* **Is deeply bonded with the cat**, and takes care of it.
* **Is trying to manage the cat’s behavior**, including using CBD oil.
* Likely feels **caught between protecting her cat** and preserving the peace with her partner.

### 🌍 The Digital Nomad:

* Is **living abroad** and possibly under **extra stress** (cultural adjustment, remote work, lack of roots, etc.).
* **Finds the cat disruptive**, especially in the mornings.
* **Has allergies**, but manages them with medication.
* Is growing **increasingly irritable** and may be **projecting frustrations onto the cat**.
* Is **refusing to allow the cat in their room**, which may worsen the cat's meowing due to separation anxiety or routine disruption.

---

### 🐾 The Cat:

* Is likely **bonded strongly** with your acquaintance and may **meow in the morning for attention, food, or routine**.
* Has **been given CBD oil**, which indicates your acquaintance is actively trying to help.
* **May be reacting to stress in the household**, which can increase vocalization.

---

### Is the Digital Nomad Being Fair?

**Short answer: Not really.** It’s understandable that the nomad wants better sleep and less stress, but their response seems disproportionate — especially if:

* The cat’s behavior isn’t extreme (e.g., just morning meows, not destructive or aggressive),
* The allergies are managed,
* And the cat is not their responsibility in any other way.

### Key Points:

* **The cat was part of the household from the beginning** and seems more bonded with your acquaintance.
* It’s **your acquaintance’s home country**, so presumably she has deeper ties and more grounding — this isn’t just a temporary stop for her.
* If the **digital nomad chose to co-own a home** with someone who has a cat, they implicitly agreed to cohabitate with the animal.

If the relationship is deteriorating, it’s likely **not just the cat** — the cat may be the focal point for other frustrations. Displaced or projected resentment is common in stressed dynamics.

---

### Is Your Acquaintance in the Right?

**Mostly, yes.** She's doing her best to:

* Care for her pet,
* Use remedies like CBD oil,
* Likely accommodate the nomad’s concerns to some extent.

Unless she’s totally ignoring the nomad’s feelings (which it doesn't sound like), **she’s acting responsibly**.

---

### What Can Be Done?

If they want to salvage the relationship:

1. **Clear communication**: Have an honest conversation about what’s really bothering the nomad (is it the cat, or something deeper?).
2. **Compromise**: Can the cat be trained to meow less in the morning? Can the nomad wear earplugs or use white noise?
3. **Boundaries**: If the nomad can’t tolerate the cat long-term, maybe the relationship needs to shift (separate rooms, breaks, or even reconsidering cohabitation).
4. **Perspective**: Remind the nomad that **the cat is not the villain** — they’re just a part of the household, like any other family member.

---

Would you like help drafting a tactful message your acquaintance could send, or strategies for addressing the morning meowing?
yeah, the cat is not the villain, zeek. stop projecting frustrations onto it.
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SuperJail Warden wrote:

We just solved your issue. You need to introduce your girlfriend to an AI cat friend.
she was actually consulting chat-GPT from week one. when we had our first falling out because i was basically adamant from the get-go that we had to take proactive steps to manage the cat, rather than waiting weeks for problems to surface ... she went away all pissed off and then came back, several hours later, with a total change of tune and mentality. turns out she punched her feelings into chat-GPT and it was like 'step back a sec, he's feeling a lot of pressure and confusion in this new place, it's only natural he wants to feel comfortable in his home, etc.' it was like a switch was flicked in her head, and that day she suggested we go and get some proper prescription-strength allergy medication.

i do consider it a giant red flag if a partner is consulting an AI LLM about your relationship issues. i hope she doesn't do it again, even though it incidentally worked in my favour.
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She is likely venting to it about you and it is doubling down on her side.

I hate to be one of those people that say like check her phone but you may want to just check her ChatGPT
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SuperJail Warden wrote:

She is likely venting to it about you and it is doubling down on her side.

I hate to be one of those people that say like check her phone but you may want to just check her ChatGPT
yeah, it wouldn’t surprise me, but what can one do in that situation?

asking to see someone’s phone or trying to make rules about app use is a big red line that i dont want to cross in any relationship.

but, yeah, clearly i think this stuff is insinuating itself into people’s lives in very sinister ways.
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unnamednewbie13 wrote:

snip
haha, very instructive. with one more twist of the rubik’s cube, it’s suddenly a very different picture.

i do co-own and i’m not just some nomad with no intention of staying, insisting on her training her cat when i’m free as the breeze and will leave soon anyway.

the cat isn’t just miaowing a lot in the morning, after dawn or at breakfast time or something. it’s half-destroying the doors with its scratching and pounding, and making a scene at 3:30-4:30am throughout the week. the miaowing all day is wearing me down because the cat just seems to do it 24-hours a day and always expects to get its own way. this isn’t a mild annoyance: it’s a drag on my health.

i was supposed to host several friends from the UK this autumn who have booked extensive time off and paid for round-world flights. now i’m in a situation where i can’t really host in ‘my’ home (hosting in itself would help me feel more embedded and invested tbh), because i know they’ll be sleeping within 5 metres of a cat that completely determines when people can sleep and wake up. that’s Not Good.

as for ‘she is making efforts’: the phrase ‘rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic’ comes to mind. she hasn’t, even by her own admission, wanted to take any serious measures for the sake of our relationship and overall wellbeing. the painful decisions she has deferred for 4 months. buying toys off amazon and ordering CBD oil is in a way just another avoidance mechanism. ‘maybe this new cat tree will help it relax/feel stimulated’.  the apartment is piling up with cat shit but the animal is still acting like an impetuous dowager empress in the space.

i know you know all this but - well, amazing how the LLM can distort it with a slight change in prompt

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OK so chatgpt is smarter than me.

Your partner needs to address the  issues, no more avoidance.

Has she had time apart from the cat at all? It seems she has little perspective on the whole business, doesn't see the need to discipline the cat.
Once again there could be other underlying issues, if she's consulting chatgpt it seems she doesn't have much of a support network.

Learn a lesson from Saddam, start drawing lines in the sand. If the can't isn't tolerable by the time your friends arrive the two of them are going to have to check into a pet-friendly hotel for the duration, or you two are going to have to split the cost of putting your friends in hotels.

We have managed to train out the worst behaviour in our cats.
Most cats will be as demanding as they are allowed to be even without neurotic pre-conditions or a neurotic carer.
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uziq wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

chatgpt wrote:

skynet's opinion
i guess this is interesting, the part about the cat being surrogate/stand-in for some other unresolved dynamic. what projections or repressions are involved in this?
Off the top of my head surrogate child, surrogate partner, extension of self, black-hole of social avoidance, means of expressing emotions not possible with people, yeah I dunno

All our cats have essentially been an extra family member and an outlet for caring impulses I guess.

A for me 90% of my leave for the last 20+ years has gone to cat-sitting the cat so the rest of the family can take a break - there being no question of putting the cat in a cattery even for a day.
I've been fine with this, I've always been the go-to human for playtime and I'm sure they've all seen me as a slightly large and slow-witted fellow cat.
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