BF2S Forums You be the judge! Trayvon Martin vs George Zimmerman

Macbeth wrote:

ROGUEDD wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

What we know of Zimmerman's frame of mind, he more than likely didn't go over there to start a conversation. Even if Martin did attack Zimmerman, he must have done or said something to make him attack him. I've never been attacked by a black person for asking them directions..


But even if Martin did attack him- he disobeyed a police order that led to a death. Charge him with something.

No, he disobeyed a dispatcher telling "We don't need you to do that." Go look up "Denver man killed following 911 instructions" and tell me everybody should do what the dispatchers say to do.

And last I checked, attacking someone is the crime, not asking questions/saying something that makes someone angry.

If he had stayed in his car he wouldn't gotten killed like the Denver man. The Denver case is not even in the same ballpark as the Martin case.

It could be argued that the 911 dispatcher is an extension of the local governments law enforcement apparatus.

eleven bravo wrote:

he already showed his intent to creat a confrontation while he was armed.  doesnt matter if martin attacked first.  its that simple

Macbeth wrote:

Pulling over your car, getting out with a gun, and confronting the person you end up killing nullifies your claim of self defense. He doesn't have to attack him with a hammer in order for his actions to be considered hostile. We know he didn't just go up to Martin with a milk and cookies. According to the recording of Zimmerman we know he thought Martin was a criminal. It's not rocket surgery.

The Huffington Post wrote:

George Zimmerman's attorneys said in a press conference this afternoon that they will no longer be representing him, because they have not been able to locate him and because he has rebuffed their counsel.

El Beardo wrote:

The Huffington Post wrote:

George Zimmerman's attorneys said in a press conference this afternoon that they will no longer be representing him, because they have not been able to locate him and because he has rebuffed their counsel.

http://www.wtam.com/cc-common/news/sect … e=10023084

13rin wrote:

Jaekus wrote:

I'm sure stalking a minor, going against the direction of a 911 operator and then shooting said minor is just the sort of civic duty America needs more of...

I revert to my statement that you like dill are both ignorant of Florida laws.  There is no law in Florida Statute that requires one to obey a 911 operator.  Most of them aren't even sworn LEOs. 

Interesting that the grand jury is off the table.  I believe that rules out murder 1.  The State's 'special prosecutor' apparently is calling a press conference in 3 days.  Again, I'll wait and see what is said then.  Until then, have some more kool-aid and watch some sharpton and jackson.  After all, this was purely about race... Just ask holder.

ROGUEDD wrote:

So if I have a CCW and get out of my car to talk to someone, I'm confronting them with a deadly weapon? What in the actual fuck. Unless you are assuming he got out of his vehicle, gun in hand (which would be a statement you couldn't possibly back up) you're saying that the mere possession of a gun indicates hostile intent.

The bottom line is that we don't know what happened between the 911 call and Martin's death. Zimmerman could have gotten out of his car, gun in hand, maybe he did confront and kill Martin. Or maybe Martin attacked Zimmerman when he was questioned. Or maybe not. But talking out our collective asses doesn't prove anything, except how easy it is to sway opinion when the media starts releasing false information and people like Dilbert call for trials by mob. Maybe you should be a bit more objective in your opinion forming.

Jaekus wrote:

It's obvious you made up your mind from the start that he's innocent despite your feeble assertions. I mean, you quoted Fox News to support his innocence, LOL!

13rin wrote:

Furthermore, he hasn't been forgiven.  He very well may still go to jail.  The investigation isn't completed yet.

13rin wrote:

If it comes out that Z was the aggressor and not defending himself?  Then I hope they fry his ass. 

13rin wrote:

If it comes out that's what he's done then he needs to die.

13rin wrote:

Again, I'm waiting to see how this is reviewed.

13rin wrote:

I'm reserving any opinion until more facts are revealed.

13rin wrote:

Again, all of the facts aren't in.  Who are really the prejudice ones here?

13rin wrote:

I'll reserve my judgement for the final report.

13rin wrote:

However, if Zimm did break the law, then string him up.

13rin wrote:

Again, I'll wait and see what the outcome of the investigation is.

13rin wrote:

But hey, wait until the powers that be weigh in... again.  Let's not jump the gun.

13rin wrote:

Again, I'll wait and see what is said then.

AussieReaper wrote:

13rin wrote:

El Beardo wrote:

The quality isn't great and he may have been cleaned up but you can't just wipe off a broken nose. No blood on the shirt and no black eyes at all?!?

http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/n … n-03302012

Fox new though soooo they must be lying.

Well they did fight a court battle to allow them to lie to the public and held the point of view they don't need to present facts accurately and without distortion.

I'm sure you'll tell us they have journalistic credibility though? lol

13rin wrote:

Yea.. You're right.  They probably made up this interview with a 'planted' neighbor.  I'd be more inclined to believe their interviews and research on this than anything you spout off.  lol

AussieReaper wrote:

Zimmerman claims self-defense in the shooting and told police he was the one screaming for help in the 911 recordings made by others.


Trayvon Martin shooting: It's not George Zimmerman crying for help on 911 recording, 2 experts say

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/201 … -certainty

Site above also has the audio available, if you care for a listen.

Tom Owen, forensic consultant for Owen Forensic Services LLC and chair emeritus for the American Board of Recorded Evidence, used voice identification software to rule out Zimmerman. Another expert contacted by the Sentinel, utilizing different techniques, came to the same conclusion.

[...]

The software compared that audio to Zimmerman's voice. It returned a 48 percent match. Owen said to reach a positive match with audio of this quality, he'd expect higher than 90 percent.

"As a result of that, you can say with reasonable scientific certainty that it's not Zimmerman," Owen says, stressing that he cannot confirm the voice as Trayvon's, because he didn't have a sample of the teen's voice to compare.

[...]

If Zimmerman's self-defense claim is tested at trial, legal experts say a forensic identification of the voice in the 911 audio could be key evidence, either in Zimmerman's favor or to his detriment.

top rated comment on CNN article wrote:

Why hasn't the black community used this tragedy to address deeper rooted social problems within their race. Violence, glorified criminality and gangs are synonymous with black culture. How come no one like Al Sharpton or MLK Jr. or the NAACP using this as an opportunity to express concern with the state of African Americans....why is it always some one's fault....why don't they address their own issues and start to change their own culture and move away from connotation of criminals.