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Its a general thesis that young white men are becoming marginalised in society, and that its generally marginalised young white men who are carrying out these 'fuck you society' spree shootings. Is there a link? No doubt a hipster is already applying for a grant to study it.

Whether its the MGTOW crowd self-marginalising, the 'librul' academics and feminazis actively marginalising the average white male who likes cars, guns and chasing trashy women, or that progress is leaving behind men with average intelligence and weak social skills, young single white males are becoming marginalised.

neat thesis but half the mass shootings in recent memory, both in the US and without, have been committed by white males from pretty privileged and well off backgrounds. wasn't one done by a kid in medical school for neurology or something? and breivik in norway was pretty much as flabby and middle-class as a pampered white boy can be. how are they being marginalised by liberals? it's not like all these mass shootings are being committed by misunderstood rednecks.

I blame Hollywood for creating unrealistic life expectations.

uziq wrote:

neat thesis but half the mass shootings in recent memory, both in the US and without, have been committed by white males from pretty privileged and well off backgrounds. wasn't one done by a kid in medical school for neurology or something? and breivik in norway was pretty much as flabby and middle-class as a pampered white boy can be. how are they being marginalised by liberals? it's not like all these mass shootings are being committed by misunderstood rednecks.

They may be wealthy and comfortable but socially marginalised. Maybe only in their heads but there is a leaning in the intelligentsia and the media to snear at the average white man doing white man stuff or holding a mainstream opinion.
Look at you post on me about 'neanderthals' etc.
Throw in a bit of paranoia, mild mental illness and ready access to combat weapons and presto.

Your average young muslim man in a western country is in the same position, hence 15-25 year olds are plum for radicalisation or self-radicalisation.

I'm sorry but white males today are born into so much assumed privilege and comfort, that to whine and become paranoid about feminists or homosexuals asking for their basic rights, seems like absolute lunacy to me. a white male automatically assumes the mantle of about 300 years of systemic and institutionally enforced superiority and ease. not to mention that life today is almost easier than ever. all the talk about globalisation affecting the young white male is pretty specious. young men collectively have faced much tougher economic downturns than the current one, without all turning into precious, manifesto-writing psychopaths.

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Dilbert_X wrote:

Not to mention the whole 'being privileged is unacceptable and white men should be ashamed' thing.

Yes, we are in golden age, essentially created by white men - and supposed to feel guilty that brown men and women have not kept up.
See how these conflicting messages are likely to unbalance a marginal person?

No one is taking anything away from you. As I keep telling you, the world is not zero sum. Nothing is occurring at your expense.

Dilbert_X wrote:

That's not what I'm saying, maybe you're in the wrong thread?

No, you're complaining about loss of privilege. Do you still get looked at in a positive light automatically? 

I remember visiting a chain coffee shop that was in a black neighborhood a few years ago. What made the experience memorable was the absurd way the Indians behind the counter rolled out the red carpet for me, as if I were the spearhead of white people and their money getting ready to make them rich. Contrast this with how they treated their black customers: yelling at them, giving them suspicious looks, and making them feel unwanted.

And here's what I mean about zero sum: they could treat their black customers better and still treat the occasional white person well too. No one loses. Maybe you like the feeling of being the conquering hero gaining automatic respect. I found it embarrassing.

If you can't see the trend you are just willfully ignorant.

DrunkFace wrote:

If you can't see the trend you are just willfully ignorant.

Who cares? Gun deaths are dwarfed by every other cause of death.

Besides, fuck off and worry about the ten million undocumented illegal weapons in your own country.

Dilbert_X wrote:

We surged ahead thanks to the industrial revolution, ability to behave and cooperate, and a protestant work ethic, slavery was barely a footnote - for Europe at least.

I remember visiting a chain coffee shop that was in a black neighborhood a few years ago. What made the experience memorable was the absurd way the Indians behind the counter rolled out the red carpet for me, as if I were the spearhead of white people and their money getting ready to make them rich.

Indians are racists? Maybe their behaviour was based on experience, not racism.

slavery barely a footnote for europe? i hope you are kidding. the industrial revolution and the "protestant work ethic" - nebulous sociological construct as it is - wouldn't have hummed nicely along without the presumption of cheap labour and a nearly infinite pool of resources to be extracted from around the globe. the industrial revolution wasn't the first great leap forward in human history, and it won't be the last. there have been comparable renaissances in many other world cultures, at different moments. and, in the wider-view of ecological disaster and irreversible global warming, the whole industrial revolution thing may become what certain historians refer to as a 'progress trap'. i bet neolithic man thought he was wise when he figured out the best way to maximally hunt and kill mammoth, too. then he exhausted his food supply. then not so smart. it's not so ridiculous to imagine that, in the long view of history, this industrial period has been a similar loping detour. and, even if it doesn't, that doesn't mean we're the de facto best race on earth and the most advanced example of humanity.

i don't think anyone can take your wailing about the fate of the white male seriously when it's built on this poisonous stack of cod-darwinism and thinly-veiled racism.

also "ability to behave and cooperate", rofl. i guess you missed the entire european history AD 400-1945 class. if anything, it was our sheer inability to get along that drove progress via direct military competition. don't make out that the white race has always been reasonable, or tolerant, or able to partake in these grandiose human endeavours, whilst the savage black and asian are all so fractious. read. a. book.

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guns are a part of our culture

Its OK, if you get shot that's a clear tort - you can sue.

It's odd how the agreed-upon practice in a school shooting is to lock yourselves in classrooms and hide, as if they must be out or something in the middle of a schoolday.