I am not super into Clue or forensics stuff but just hearing about it makes the arguments sound too interesting to fall asleep to. I guess I'd have to be there though. Maybe the lawyers had droning voices.
naw it wasnt the lawyers, it was the expert explaining different model of shoes... what shoe print matches what kind of shoes etc. "oh thats a policemans boot..." etc etc. when things get really boring and technical, lay people generally fall asleep.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
I am not super into Clue or forensics stuff but just hearing about it makes the arguments sound too interesting to fall asleep to. I guess I'd have to be there though. Maybe the lawyers had droning voices.
forensics are sometimes pseudoscience in evidence but get believed by jury, biggest issue for a while is bitemark evidence - protip: no can tan tell the difference between a human bitemark and a dog on human skin, let alone between different people.
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Thats good to know.
What other pieces of forensic evidence can be shredded by a good lawyer.
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oh basically none. judges just defer shit to 'experts' until its not longer 'accepted science' and it's difficult to convince a jury otherwise.Dilbert_X wrote:
What other pieces of forensic evidence can be shredded by a good lawyer.
you basically just gotta wait till appeal homie.
https://innocenceproject.org/overturnin … forensics/
also human memory is finicky af, you just keep attacking witnesses on who they thought they saw etc.The misapplication of forensic science contributed to 52% of wrongful convictions in Innocence Project cases. False or misleading forensic evidence was a contributing factor in 24% of all wrongful convictions nationally, according to the National Registry of Exonerations, which tracks both DNA and non-DNA based exonerations.
aside from the theatrics, a good strat.
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I think if a good lawyer can mangle the statistics behind DNA evidence well enough to confuse a juror - and lets face it that isn't hard - they can get anyone off.
Then there's lab fuckups to sow in their minds.
Every time I sit on a committee I think about 12 Angry Men and the Tony Hancock version- where he manages to bring the other 11 around to his point of view, then changes his mind and does it again.
Really looking forward to jury service.
Then there's lab fuckups to sow in their minds.
Every time I sit on a committee I think about 12 Angry Men and the Tony Hancock version- where he manages to bring the other 11 around to his point of view, then changes his mind and does it again.
Really looking forward to jury service.
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@cybargs Aware of much of this. Following wrongful convictions is another side hobby. It is America, so there is no shortage of 'material.'
we got our own as well, most famous was when the dingo ate that ladies baby. the forensic test the cops used was later found it can't tell the difference between blood and red paint. whoops.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
@cybargs Aware of much of this. Following wrongful convictions is another side hobby. It is America, so there is no shortage of 'material.'
@dilbs: most of the time you just explain plausibility how DNA got there. if it's a place they commonly go its like "well duh doesnt mean he was there at xyz time."
debunking fingerprints is the next big thing thanks to koalas. forensics can't tell the difference.
iirc correctly there’s a few influential cases in UK law where a bite mark and the pseudo-forensic reasoning around it led to a wrongful imprisonment.Cybargs wrote:
naw it wasnt the lawyers, it was the expert explaining different model of shoes... what shoe print matches what kind of shoes etc. "oh thats a policemans boot..." etc etc. when things get really boring and technical, lay people generally fall asleep.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
I am not super into Clue or forensics stuff but just hearing about it makes the arguments sound too interesting to fall asleep to. I guess I'd have to be there though. Maybe the lawyers had droning voices.
forensics are sometimes pseudoscience in evidence but get believed by jury, biggest issue for a while is bitemark evidence - protip: no can tan tell the difference between a human bitemark and a dog on human skin, let alone between different people.
i still think it’s funny that lie detectors were ever admissible as evidence. may as well bring in a scientologist as an expert witness and get them to use one of their orgone machines or whatever.
even if lie detector tests were accurate, doing one is by far one of the dumbest things. use yo right to silence yo.uziq wrote:
iirc correctly there’s a few influential cases in UK law where a bite mark and the pseudo-forensic reasoning around it led to a wrongful imprisonment.Cybargs wrote:
naw it wasnt the lawyers, it was the expert explaining different model of shoes... what shoe print matches what kind of shoes etc. "oh thats a policemans boot..." etc etc. when things get really boring and technical, lay people generally fall asleep.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
I am not super into Clue or forensics stuff but just hearing about it makes the arguments sound too interesting to fall asleep to. I guess I'd have to be there though. Maybe the lawyers had droning voices.
forensics are sometimes pseudoscience in evidence but get believed by jury, biggest issue for a while is bitemark evidence - protip: no can tan tell the difference between a human bitemark and a dog on human skin, let alone between different people.
i still think it’s funny that lie detectors were ever admissible as evidence. may as well bring in a scientologist as an expert witness and get them to use one of their orgone machines or whatever.
since were on the topic, john oliver actually puts it pretty well
CSI has really fucked juries up lmao. so many cunts have been convicted from shitty cctv cos some 'expert' says 'yeah that matches the guy'
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I just remembered I have leftover Carvel ice cream in the fridge. I was able to get it because my country wasn't in lockdown because of religious rioting and the death of national mommy.
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The coffee at work taste like marijuana today. Pleasant surprise.
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No but speaking of that...I am going to see her at our department meeting next week. I am going to make sure I go to school, shaved, and in my best clothes well ironed.RTHKI wrote:
You sure it's not just your descent into madness
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I started keeping track of my investment and savings using a physical ledger.
I just need to buy a fancy pen to put in the loop
I just need to buy a fancy pen to put in the loop
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I could use an Excel spreadsheet but I like to write things down instead. It all feels much more real.
Besides I will have a book to look at while rolling about in the Royal Chair.
Besides I will have a book to look at while rolling about in the Royal Chair.
I keep a lot of written notes for work. Other, even older colleagues are using note-taking software on their phones. The result is I have a notebook with things clearly delineated by subject and date. They have what amounts to a digital pile of post-it notes. Not saying you can't be organized digitally if you put in that effort, it's just my preference. Also, I'm not keeping constant track, but there are studies that say that writing engages the brain and memory more than typing.
Large data sets are obviously written on or transcribed to Excel. Too useful of a tool for when someone comes along and says they need to add or remove x,y,z column for whatever reason.
You're not seriously thinking of buying that chair are you? Barf.
Large data sets are obviously written on or transcribed to Excel. Too useful of a tool for when someone comes along and says they need to add or remove x,y,z column for whatever reason.
You're not seriously thinking of buying that chair are you? Barf.
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They actually teach the brain to hand stuff in schools. I think it is definitely true.
No I won't buy it. Something about a classy rolly chair doesn't make sense. Look at the wheels of an expensive rolly chair. I am sure they are better quality but nobody ever puts covers over them to make them look fancy. They probably do with really expensive chairs.
Maybe a really classy office chair doesn't roll.
No I won't buy it. Something about a classy rolly chair doesn't make sense. Look at the wheels of an expensive rolly chair. I am sure they are better quality but nobody ever puts covers over them to make them look fancy. They probably do with really expensive chairs.
Maybe a really classy office chair doesn't roll.
I really can't figure out some of the "fancy" office chairs with four digit price points but cheap plether/plastic looking surfaces, non-adjustible arms, and plastic casters that would be at home on a $14 piece of furniture. I've seen a lot of flooring damaged by that crap, hardwood and carpet alike. There's no reason for it, when the manufacturers could instead use even inexpensive casters that are safe for most flooring.
To be frank, there isn't much use for a sit & spin unless you've got one of those L-shaped desks with two working surfaces to alternate through. If you want to be a little "classy" in your apartment between dentist offices, get a modest four-legged chair and install coasters made for your floor surface. Otherwise, buy purely for ergonomics and have a desk you can adjust for standing. Prolonged sitting sucks.
To be frank, there isn't much use for a sit & spin unless you've got one of those L-shaped desks with two working surfaces to alternate through. If you want to be a little "classy" in your apartment between dentist offices, get a modest four-legged chair and install coasters made for your floor surface. Otherwise, buy purely for ergonomics and have a desk you can adjust for standing. Prolonged sitting sucks.
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I don't sit at work. When I have a class I stay standing in front of a podium. What more do you need?
Maybe you should get a podium for work so you can better dictate to your workers before they try to operation Valkyrie you again.
Frankly, I don't think there is anything at all classy about having a computer monitor. If I were really wealthy enough to have a fancy office, I would not have a computer monitor on the desk.
Be like the president have a private office in the back of your big office.
Maybe you should get a podium for work so you can better dictate to your workers before they try to operation Valkyrie you again.
Frankly, I don't think there is anything at all classy about having a computer monitor. If I were really wealthy enough to have a fancy office, I would not have a computer monitor on the desk.
Be like the president have a private office in the back of your big office.
Out of necessity, my desk has a lot of functions. Either there's going to be a computer monitor on it, or suspended from the wall above it. If I had more room at my place, there would be more desks for different reasons, but currently impractical. Even with a monitor cemented as a fixture, I still see no reason to "spoil" myself with one of the tackiest $4000 chairs I've ever seen. You could do so much better for your floor, your health, and comfort.
Since I'm not a schoolteacher or a traveling lecturer, I don't have any use for a podium. And contrary to what you might've been lead to believe, my job and interactions there are still relatively pacific. Dealing with someone's at-work breakdown every few years at a job I don't even have to "go in" for most of the time >>>>>> handling something like retail drama or the constant pressure of more traditional office politics.
Since I'm not a schoolteacher or a traveling lecturer, I don't have any use for a podium. And contrary to what you might've been lead to believe, my job and interactions there are still relatively pacific. Dealing with someone's at-work breakdown every few years at a job I don't even have to "go in" for most of the time >>>>>> handling something like retail drama or the constant pressure of more traditional office politics.
you stand on a podium. you stand in front/behind of a thing called a lectern.SuperJail Warden wrote:
I don't sit at work. When I have a class I stay standing in front of a podium. What more do you need?
it's in the word. 'podium' has the greek etymology of 'pod-iatry/pod-iatrist', i.e. to do with the feet (as in french, 'pied').
a building or structure also rests on a podium in technical usage. if your foot/feet ain't on it, it's a lectern.
you're an educator and you don't even know the appurtenances of your trade?
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Maybe it's an American thing? If you google "podium" you get results for lecterns, listed as "podium." Everyone's going to know what you're talking about when you say "podium" in reference to a lectern. I could have pointed out the technical error in my last post, but I'm not much for podantry.