Club3D
Guest
This practice should be banned or watched by administrators.

I do not want to be rude but most German dedicated servers the players do this and seems to be a common practice.

What do you think?

Clubby
gony
Member
+0|7117|spain
i hate this situation, because is a BIG problem from BF2. When you drive a car o anything you cant see good to other side, and them somemate cross the road and you kill to him. But is not your guilty. And them you lost 4 points and punish.

This system is real bad, the EA games people must be change it.

by bye
b00
Guest
Yeah...sure...this just happens on German servers....only Germans do that....really..... o_O......if this is ur opinion go play on American servers.....we really dont want u on ours.
NiMhurchu
Suicide Operations
+13|7121|Germany
Well, I DON'T.
Edit: in the sense of: I am German, and I do not shoot team mates. I will hit a bullet or two into their APC if they rush away alone. I hate that.

Last edited by NiMhurchu (2005-08-02 08:50:49)

dan500
Member
+57|7121

Club3D wrote:

This practice should be banned or watched by administrators.

I do not want to be rude but most German dedicated servers the players do this and seems to be a common practice.

What do you think?

Clubby
Only German severs?!?!?!?!

Try any sever, if its a EAUS, to a internode sever, they all do it, i was shot in back with a shotgun once because i was "beating" someone to a plane, and when ppl jump out of 2 seater jets on take of, because your flying. Happens everwhere m8
Stoned_Smurfz
The Mushroom Man
+1|7120|Australia
lol they can only do it 3 times.... punish them start a kick vote....
tho u need like 3/4 of the server to vote yes it should be half i reckon or less
cause the other team doesnt know why..
and half the people on there dont even pay attention to words on their screen (as they dont mines and artillry aswell)

and dont listen to ur mum 2 wrongs do make a right shoot the bastard back next time u see him
strombringer
Member
+0|7118|Gensingen [GER]
Well, no need to kill him Just hit him twice or so with your pistol if no medic is around. The guy from the other team will be happy about the easy kill and you wont be punished for TK.
Did this a few times to a stupid sniper, who grabbed a jeep, honks, I want to jump in, he drives a few metres, I run after him, he drives away (did this a few times, then took off and got away)... I take the other jeep and go after him. He parked his a bit away from the enemy base and lay down behind a tree. I get behind him, shot him twice with pistol, run a few times around the tree so the enemy troops saw me, ran to my jeep... and gone.
Few seconds later:    "XXX killed Stupid Sniper"
wncc1701p3
Member
+2|7116|england

strombringer wrote:

Well, no need to kill him Just hit him twice or so with your pistol if no medic is around. The guy from the other team will be happy about the easy kill and you wont be punished for TK.
Did this a few times to a stupid sniper, who grabbed a jeep, honks, I want to jump in, he drives a few metres, I run after him, he drives away (did this a few times, then took off and got away)... I take the other jeep and go after him. He parked his a bit away from the enemy base and lay down behind a tree. I get behind him, shot him twice with pistol, run a few times around the tree so the enemy troops saw me, ran to my jeep... and gone.
Few seconds later:    "XXX killed Stupid Sniper"
though i dont condone that action i thought that it was funny, will teach him lol
Club3D
Member
+31|7115

b00 wrote:

Yeah...sure...this just happens on German servers....only Germans do that....really..... o_O......if this is ur opinion go play on American servers.....we really dont want u on ours.
As you explained, Germans are all equally the same!
CMDR_Dave
Guest
I think if people would only stop and think for a moment before automatically hitting "yes" to punish for a teamkill, it would help tremendously. 

It's just not conceivable to them that they could have caused their own death by doing something obviously stupid to the rest of us, so they punish without thinking it seems.  Come on people, think!!
B.Schuss
Guest
Teamkills like that happen everywhere, m8. Why you would single out us germans escapes me.

I hope EA fixes some of that stuff with the next patch. Collision model needs to be fixed badly, especially as far as damage caused by APC's, jeeps and tanks that travel at the speed of a senior citizen in a wheelchair is concerned.
The sadest thing that ever happened to me in this context: I got killed by a supply drop crate sliding down a hill veeery slowly. That blows.

Apart from that I agree with Dave. People use the punish option too often. Instead of taking a moment to consider in which way they behaviour may have contributed to the teamkill ( for example running in the way of a jeep or a tank, getting in the way of an artillery strike which you could have avoided or simply opening your eyes and not driving over mines that are displayed on the screen ), people always put the blame on others.

I rarely punish TK, with the exception of intentional TKs. But those are obvious to any experienced gamer.

with greetings from Cologne, Germany,

B.Schuss
cyrio
Member
+0|7115
One very annoying similar thing occured to me more than twice while piloting the blackhawk:
Some plane or heli kamikazi crashed on my blackhawk, which resulted in :
Kamikazi killed Me
Kamikazi died
Me teamkilled Crew Member1
Me teamkilled Crew Member2
Me teamkilled Crew Member3
Me teamkilled Crew Member4
You were punished for a teamkill!
You were punished for a teamkill!
and sometimes
You were punished for a teamkill!

Which is totally unfair because :
I didn't teamkill anyone
I didn't crash into anyone, someone crashed on me (of course this is subject to debate, but I'd say that the jet is guilty most of the times).

Anyway it really screws up one's score.

The speed at which one can punish you amaze me all the time. If people had such reflexes on the road, 90% of accident would be avoided and  insurances company would go bankrupt.
Club3D
Member
+31|7115

B.Schuss wrote:

Teamkills like that happen everywhere, m8. Why you would single out us germans escapes me.

I hope EA fixes some of that stuff with the next patch. Collision model needs to be fixed badly, especially as far as damage caused by APC's, jeeps and tanks that travel at the speed of a senior citizen in a wheelchair is concerned.
The sadest thing that ever happened to me in this context: I got killed by a supply drop crate sliding down a hill veeery slowly. That blows.

Apart from that I agree with Dave. People use the punish option too often. Instead of taking a moment to consider in which way they behaviour may have contributed to the teamkill ( for example running in the way of a jeep or a tank, getting in the way of an artillery strike which you could have avoided or simply opening your eyes and not driving over mines that are displayed on the screen ), people always put the blame on others.

I rarely punish TK, with the exception of intentional TKs. But those are obvious to any experienced gamer.

with greetings from Cologne, Germany,

B.Schuss
Dear B.Schuss,

Unfortunately I have checked many servers and seems to only happens in German servers and with all respect, I do not have anything against Germans M8

The main topic is that you get killed so someone can get into any vehicle, I do agree with all of you that punishing for unreasonable matters it is not cool.

My apologies if I have offended any Germans in this topic.

Clubby
cyrio
Member
+0|7115
Unfortunately I have checked many servers and seems to only happens in German servers
This sounds like, looks like and smells like a very flawed observation to me. If it can be called an observation.
B.Schuss
Guest
Club3D wrote:
Dear B.Schuss,

Unfortunately I have checked many servers and seems to only happens in German servers and with all respect, I do not have anything against Germans M8

The main topic is that you get killed so someone can get into any vehicle, I do agree with all of you that punishing for unreasonable matters it is not cool.

My apologies if I have offended any Germans in this topic.

Clubby
Don't worry, I didn't feel offended at all. If that is an observation you've made then who am I to argue ?
But I assure you that I myself would never kill a team member to get a Vehicle / Plane / heli ( except for that flashy Ferrari 360 Modena, but thats a different story... ).
Personally, I believe that every country has its share of ***holes. If germans are particularly bad in BF2, I really cannot tell. I've witnessed similar behaviour on servers all around europe and the US.
Double-0-Kills
Member
+1|7116

B.Schuss wrote:

I got killed by a supply drop crate sliding down a hill veeery slowly. That blows.
Supply crate - HA - I got killed once by a guy opening his chute as he was jumping off of a building, he was next to me and he jumped down, then the chute popped back up to where I was, and instant death.

I couldn't believe it - I laughed for a while on that one.
B.Schuss
I'm back, baby... ( sort of )
+664|7115|Cologne, Germany

that's not too bad either...

again, collision needs to be fixed badly. I don't mind getting killed by a jeep / APC / tank that's travelling at considerable speed, but instant death at 2 Km/H is not player-friendly.
CMDR_Dave
Redneck
+66|7115|Missoula, MT
Little known fact about supply crates - they can resupply you, even if they are underwater say underneath your boat or APC...very nice.

Sucky if they slide down a hill and kill you though, ouch!  I just hope you didn't punish the crate for a teamkill!
B.Schuss
I'm back, baby... ( sort of )
+664|7115|Cologne, Germany

I wanted to, but then I chose to initiate a kick vote against the bastard. Strangely, no one else seemed to care....
SeeJay
Member
+0|7115|Sweden

Double-0-Kills wrote:

B.Schuss wrote:

I got killed by a supply drop crate sliding down a hill veeery slowly. That blows.
Supply crate - HA - I got killed once by a guy opening his chute as he was jumping off of a building, he was next to me and he jumped down, then the chute popped back up to where I was, and instant death.

I couldn't believe it - I laughed for a while on that one.
lol you think thats crazy? I was flying around minding my own buisness and all of the sudden a supplycrate spawned right in front of me.
crashed and my great 50/0 killdeath streak was gone.

wasnt sure if to laugh my ass of or to scream in total agony

Last edited by SeeJay (2005-08-04 11:25:46)

B.Schuss
I'm back, baby... ( sort of )
+664|7115|Cologne, Germany

well, looks like EA has a lot of work to do with the upcoming patch.
whit0x
Guest
Slightly off topic but I once killed a team memeber with a smoke grenade. We were on the aircraft carrier stuffing around and I lobbed a smoke grenade in his direction and he fell backwards like I had just shot him at close range with a shotty. All we could do was laugh at how bad the collision modelling is.


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mort4u
Artillery catcher
+5|7112|Munich, Germany
about the german server matter:
im german yes and i only punish if it was really dumb and no apology (i always wait a bit to see if he is sorry) or intentional  but i try to avoid the official open german servers cause there are only retards.
could be that we have a lot of kiddies with comps and good connections and its holidays, not to forget mommy buying all the games they want.
but ive also seen this behaviour on english, hungarian, french and other servers a lot so ur observation is kinda flawed.
its a game so there are a lot of kids and if i remember my puberty correctly we all thought we are the greatest and didnt care much about rules or decent behaviour.

i like the supply crate in the air really funny. i just got squished by 1 yesterday the first time and couldnt defend the flag.

so many ppl just punish right away, just yesterday i was shooting my machingun in the jet at an APC and there was a friendly footsoldier behind it.i killed both but got punished in under a second

ppl should at least give u a chance to apologise for a tk.

Last edited by mort4u (2005-08-07 05:03:22)

kilroy0097
Kilroy Is Here!
+81|7117|Bryan/College Station, TX
I have to say that perhaps team damage points are worse than teamkills. Esspecially if using a fast firing weapon. Often in the heat of battle people are running all over the place and if an enemy tank or vehicle is mowing down your team you have to fire at them. But when your own team runs in front of your firing zone you get team damage on multiple people. If you include team kills and punishment with that then you are suddenly looking at negative numbers in the teens or twenties. You weren't doing it on purpose and you certainly have a good reason to fire at the enemy but damn I have to say it really hurts and takes down your end score by a huge amount. Esspecially if your 10's or 20's number of kills are negated by just one accidental fire fight.

I don't know if they can make it more fair but it kind of hinders those of use who are trying to do good. It makes you not want to fire at the enemy just in fear that your own guys will suddenly run in front of your machine gun or APC gun.  *sigh*
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B.Schuss
I'm back, baby... ( sort of )
+664|7115|Cologne, Germany

team damage is also a problem for the server. although it might be obvious for us humans to figure out who is to blame for TA / TK, the server has no way of knowing.

Once I was flyng a BH low and basically on a straight line. a team member flying a F35 crashed into me, killing himself, me and my crew. The server put the blame on me, and suddenly I had -15 point. AND the stupid F35 pilot punished me for a TK, instead of at least acknowledging that part of the guilt was on him.

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