BF2S Forums Longer Smoke Grenade Duration (not vehicle smoke)

definitely a good idea. i used to try and use them before, but they didnt last that long and things didnt work out...

Wider range of effect on the smoke is needed too tbh

Kylau wrote:

Skruples wrote:

I agree. Flares that last longer would be nice too...

Flares last plenty long enough. There is this thing called gravity though, so they tend to fall down. When in the jet before you drop flares roll left or right and hit the despensor just before you become fully inverted. The flares will be released in a slightly upward motion and will cover your ass for at least 3 seconds longer.

Gra... vi... ty? What the devil are you talking about?!

And I was talking more about the chopper flares. I dont know if you've tried this recently, but going inverted in a helicopter is a bit harder than in an airplane, and is usually a pretty crappy idea. The flares last about 3-4 seconds total, but the amount of time they effectively cover you is less than that, and with the aa-missiles on speed that we have in 1.2 its almost impossible to avoid getting shot. All I can say is thank god it takes 3 missiles to kill you now, or flying in any area with active anti aircraft would be suicide. Well, its almost suicide right now... but you get my point.

But this is off topic. Longer smoke grenades would be good. You can buy novelty smoke bombs that last longer than the grenades we have in game.

Chaff is not used in game. Chaff is a radar missile countermeasure, the missiles in game are heat seeking.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaff_%28r … measure%29

Chaff/flares should last as long as real ones last.... The hell with the AA NooBS use to get kills...

AH1Z SOCOM GHOST wrote:

Chaff/flares should last as long as real ones last.... The hell with the AA NooBS use to get kills...

I work on military helicopters and the flares on the CH-47D last about the same time as they do in game. Which is pretty much until they hit the ground. The problem is that they are launched in the downward position.

The MH-47E, which is a suped up CH-47D has dispensors which are pointed up and back. They protect the helicopter for a hell of a lot longer than the ones that fire down.

Skruples wrote:

I was talking more about the chopper flares. I dont know if you've tried this recently, but going inverted in a helicopter is a bit harder than in an airplane, and is usually a pretty crappy idea. The flares last about 3-4 seconds total, but the amount of time they effectively cover you is less than that, and with the aa-missiles on speed that we have in 1.2 its almost impossible to avoid getting shot. All I can say is thank god it takes 3 missiles to kill you now, or flying in any area with active anti aircraft would be suicide. Well, its almost suicide right now... but you get my point.

The best, most effective way to get the most out of your helicopter countermeasures:

- Wait until you hear the lock-on tone, not just the "trying to lock on"
- Press X then immediately floor the collective* while changing direction rapidly
- Accelerate into a dive and hope that you're in cover by now

The effect is that you drop the countermeasures and then drop with them, so you're surrounded and hopefully covered by them for the longest amount of time possible. The biggest risk here is that you've been locked onto by a Jet because if he's decent he's also lowered speed and he can fire a bunch more missiles point blank**. Since 1.2 in this situation you're guarenteed to take at least one hit, so all I can say is since 1.2 you need to have good air cover so that the enemy pilot can't afford to lower his speed. As a general rule, if you start off high in the air, you can then drop a lot to evade a jet and if you then go for the treeline, the jet will have difficulty in finding your new position on his second pass.


* Er, just hold down S and don't worry about learning helicopter flight controls
** Or if he's not a decent pilot he'll probably ram you and there's not really a lot you can do there except type "ZOMG LIEKE LEARN TO FLY!!!11!ONE1!" when you respawn and then he'll be like "LOL IT WAS LAG!"

stryyker wrote:

Skruples wrote:

Kylau wrote:

Flares last plenty long enough. There is this thing called gravity though, so they tend to fall down. When in the jet before you drop flares roll left or right and hit the despensor just before you become fully inverted. The flares will be released in a slightly upward motion and will cover your ass for at least 3 seconds longer.

Gra... vi... ty? What the devil are you talking about?!

And I was talking more about the chopper flares. I dont know if you've tried this recently, but going inverted in a helicopter is a bit harder than in an airplane, and is usually a pretty crappy idea. The flares last about 3-4 seconds total, but the amount of time they effectively cover you is less than that, and with the aa-missiles on speed that we have in 1.2 its almost impossible to avoid getting shot. All I can say is thank god it takes 3 missiles to kill you now, or flying in any area with active anti aircraft would be suicide. Well, its almost suicide right now... but you get my point.

But this is off topic. Longer smoke grenades would be good. You can buy novelty smoke bombs that last longer than the grenades we have in game.

its Chaff, not flares... chaff is cooler sounding
Planes use Chaff as a missile deterent, or glowing, heat emitting ribbons of Phosphorus, which burn white for about 10 seconds, not sure about choppers

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/c-141-flares.jpg

I forget which is which but i think chaff is the black charcoal stuff and the flares are what their name is

Yeah, (assault) smoke should last longer!

If I throw a smoke it is gone too fast and when i want a new smoke i have to pick up atleast 4 FCKING ammo bags before i get a new one.... thats really stupid. while grenates refill TOTALLY with 1 ammo bag.

stupid game.. (lol)

why does everyone try and give me chopper flying advice? I've probably spent more time in a helicopter than you have playing this game total.

stryyker wrote:

Skruples wrote:

Kylau wrote:

Flares last plenty long enough. There is this thing called gravity though, so they tend to fall down. When in the jet before you drop flares roll left or right and hit the despensor just before you become fully inverted. The flares will be released in a slightly upward motion and will cover your ass for at least 3 seconds longer.

Gra... vi... ty? What the devil are you talking about?!

And I was talking more about the chopper flares. I dont know if you've tried this recently, but going inverted in a helicopter is a bit harder than in an airplane, and is usually a pretty crappy idea. The flares last about 3-4 seconds total, but the amount of time they effectively cover you is less than that, and with the aa-missiles on speed that we have in 1.2 its almost impossible to avoid getting shot. All I can say is thank god it takes 3 missiles to kill you now, or flying in any area with active anti aircraft would be suicide. Well, its almost suicide right now... but you get my point.

But this is off topic. Longer smoke grenades would be good. You can buy novelty smoke bombs that last longer than the grenades we have in game.

its Chaff, not flares... chaff is cooler sounding
Planes use Chaff as a missile deterent, or glowing, heat emitting ribbons of Phosphorus, which burn white for about 10 seconds, not sure about choppers

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/c-141-flares.jpg

incorrect...flares are used in game and is actually what you have pictured here as well...chaff is nothing more than aluminum foil shred used to confuse radar guided missles...flares do the same thing, only they work against heat seeking missles

i use smoke bombs ALL the time in this game