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2006-03-22 01:08:40

duka: Member; +0|7018

The comparison between Iraq and Vietnam stands in my mind at least when you consider the difficulty represented in both conflicts with distinguishing combatants from civilians. Unfortunately as a few of you have pointed out, it would seem that precious few have given much thought on the issue and seem content to just regurgitate what they have heard elsewhere. No conflict or war will ever equal it's predisessor in every aspect given, because while human nature prevails, and the basic reasons for going to war remain constant, the means by which the wars are carried out will always change creating an ever unique situation. Having said that, it seems logical and prudent to examine history, learn from mistakes and gauge your future decisions on the very likely possibility that some aspects of any given conflict will be a re-occuring theme, but in the meantime spare the rest of us the indignation of having to suffer through yet another over-generalized bullshit comparison.
Iraq is not Vietnam and Saddam was not Hitler.

2006-03-22 01:20:50

Starfleet1403: ...to bodly spawn where no one has spawned before!; +66|7013|Born in West-Berlin

Iraq an War? Let's face it guys. First all the U.S. Goverment faked some Evidence of Weapons of Mass Destruction (that never existed) to have a "legitimit" reason to invade Iraq. A Country whose Economy lies in shambles since the liberation of Kuwait.

You ask why they call it the 2nd Vietnam War? Open your f**king Eyes. The similarities lie no in Culture, it's HOW you are loosing Soldiers over there. The Rebels have the same motivation as the Viet Cong had in Vietnam. They want to free their land for U.S. Occupation. Maybe you realise it after 12 years of Occupation.

Why the F**k are U.S. Troops in Iraq anyway? The whole World knows it, yet the U.S. tries to deny it. Iraq has the 2nd largest Oil reserves in the World. Since U.S. Economy mainly relies on Oil, guess what?

WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!!

2006-03-22 01:44:52

duka: Member; +0|7018

And on the whole topic of secterian violence, internal threats or foreign fighters, I believe the current general concensus is that while the most elaborate and spectacular attacks are carried out by and with the support of foreign combatants, the vast majority are the doings of Sunnis, who after all had the most to loose with the fall of the Saddam regime. Furthermore, the tension between the two has little to do with religion. Go to any mosque in Detroit and you'll find both Shiite's and Sunnis kneeling together, distinguishable only by the way they hold their hands during prayer. Saddam as a means by which to consolidate his power during his reign divided the two by class, by priviledge and opportunity, and by social standing. Having created a rift between the two, by pitting them against each other, he exercised his control much the same way the French can be credited with doing in parts of Africa. Give them the freedom to do so now and they will go at each others throat. Personally, i think it took an iron fist to rule them then, and it'll take that much more now, measures the US (thankfully) aren't willing to take.
All that to say, the problems in Iraq are very real and not nearly weighing as heavily on foreign fighters as some might like to think, and as for choosing your bias? Take your pick. If the media is guilty of depicting only the bad and never the good, then the administration is equally as guilty of trying to at the very least downplay the bad in favor of what sells at home. It's neausiating watching them try and pull the good out of the bad the way they do. Partisan squabbling is not "democracy in action", nor are acts of violence merely "folks working through their differences". Don't tell me if we had to close down NY city and impose a curfew just so the parliament could meet without the threat of rioting, anyone would be calling for a look on the brighter side of life.
If there are any army guys/gals contending otherwise, i appologize, but this administration has already discredited your input by association. I see very little reason to believe anything at all that comes out of the White House press room seeing as they are constantly having to re-word, and back-track to make their preivous predictions match the reality being questioned. The govt. is trying to cover its ass, and the media is out to entertain, choosing to believe one over the other especially as inconsistantly as most do is rediculous.

2006-03-22 01:46:16

duka: Member; +0|7018

Once again a German knows what's best for world politics.

2006-03-22 01:47:40

duka: Member; +0|7018

And last i checked we got most of our Oil from Canada (which coincidentally would be a whole hell-of-alot easier to invade).

2006-03-22 03:12:21

Sh1fty2k5: MacSwedish; +113|7101|Sweden

EHm 2.59 million serving in vietnam is a little extreme, its actually very extreme. Cut it down to 500.000 and it'll be more correct.

2006-03-22 05:34:01

Starfleet1403: ...to bodly spawn where no one has spawned before!; +66|7013|Born in West-Berlin

duka wrote:
Once again a German knows what's best for world politics.

Okay Buddy, since YOU are refering to World Politics and NOT ME, I am ready to get a lecture from YOU!!

So here is the Question. WHAT IS BEST FOR WORLD POLITICS???? EXCEPT FROM THE U.S. STOPPING TO PLAY WORLD POLICE???

2006-03-22 05:56:45

UON: Junglist Massive; +223|7044

Sh1fty2k5 wrote:
EHm 2.59 million serving in vietnam is a little extreme, its actually very extreme. Cut it down to 500.000 and it'll be more correct.

I think the ~430,000 figure is refering to peak deployment (i.e. the highest number of troops authorised by congress to be deployed at any one time), the 2.59 mil figure is for total serving soldiers when duty rotation is taken into consideration.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_war

2006-03-22 06:43:31

wannabe_tank_whore: Member; +5|7168

Starfleet1403 wrote:
Iraq an War? Let's face it guys. First all the U.S. Goverment faked some Evidence of Weapons of Mass Destruction (that never existed) to have a "legitimit" reason to invade Iraq. A Country whose Economy lies in shambles since the liberation of Kuwait.

You ask why they call it the 2nd Vietnam War? Open your f**king Eyes. The similarities lie no in Culture, it's HOW you are loosing Soldiers over there. The Rebels have the same motivation as the Viet Cong had in Vietnam. They want to free their land for U.S. Occupation. Maybe you realise it after 12 years of Occupation.

Why the F**k are U.S. Troops in Iraq anyway? The whole World knows it, yet the U.S. tries to deny it. Iraq has the 2nd largest Oil reserves in the World. Since U.S. Economy mainly relies on Oil, guess what?

WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!!

Too bad germany got busted in the Food for Oil Scandal.

BTW, we get 3% of our oil from Iraq. Good job on lying.

2006-03-22 06:46:31

wannabe_tank_whore: Member; +5|7168

Starfleet1403 wrote:
duka wrote:
Once again a German knows what's best for world politics.
Okay Buddy, since YOU are refering to World Politics and NOT ME, I am ready to get a lecture from YOU!!

So here is the Question. WHAT IS BEST FOR WORLD POLITICS???? EXCEPT FROM THE U.S. STOPPING TO PLAY WORLD POLICE???

If we didn't "play world police" you couldn't have the social programs you have today. Your country would either raise taxes or cut programs to pay for its defense. We are doing the dirty work so you can play in peace.

2006-03-22 06:51:39

wannabe_tank_whore: Member; +5|7168

the_heart_attack wrote:
2ndLt.Tucker wrote:
Nor did we use cluster bombs to take out mass troops withing cities for that reason.
thats wrong,

iv seen a doco that showed alot of footage of the little bombs from the cluster bombs unexploded and stuck up in trees and on some building roofs in populated subburb areas.

I saw santa in 2004 but I didn't have my damn camera.

2006-03-22 07:01:32

wannabe_tank_whore: Member; +5|7168

Spark wrote:
Well, lets have a look

1. Just cause: Well, I suppose if you wanted to get rid of Saddam. But that's not what you said! So no.

2. Legitimate authority: Um, NO. The 'legitimate authority' in question is the UN.

3. Proportional response: I don't think so. Did you really need a few hundred thousand troops? And did you need to kill thousands upon thousands of innocent people with bombs/missles?

4. Reasonable chance of success: um, YES!

5. If someone attended the CGS Yr 8 Rave day, can you give me no. 5?

The same UN that has picked Zimbabwe, China, Libya, Burma, and Uzbekistan to make up the Human Rights Council? Good logic there, bud.

2006-03-22 07:53:09

TheEternalPessimist: Wibble; +412|7011|Mhz

2ndLt.Tucker wrote:
Gotta a question for you. Why are you saying we killed thousand upon thousands. The insurgents have killed more innocent people than all of our bombs have combined including both innocent and combatant lives. reason.

OK sorry about this, I know this post is old but I'm readin thru for the first time and I wanna pull you up on this coz i see the "they killed more than us" argument every time i see an Iraq based topic. Fact is how many innocents they killed isn't the issue in question here (they're the "bad guys" from our POV we expect them to kill people), the USA has the technology and the training to conduct this war (if you choose to call it that) in a fassion far more subtle than they have done. There could have been many less casualties had things been done differently (I use differently instead of properly as I honestly dont think there is a "right" way just a better way) American military progress has had a habbit of being very single minded on its task, goes in totally focused on gettiong the job done at any means they deem necessary and tends to completely miss other aspects, i.e the fact they are quickly starting to look like they just blow stuff up (media representation, not my opinion) the media is a powerful thing and its done as much harm to America during this conflict as it possibly could simply because politics were put to the sideline and they went off, as one guy just put it as "the world police" a law unto themselves who apparently dont need the backing of any other nation because they can do it on their own (maybe untrue but thats how it looks, again the good ol media to which America keeps on giving amunition to shoot them down with).

ok im not done but my hands hurt and your probably bored so i'll stop there

2006-03-22 08:11:01

UON: Junglist Massive; +223|7044

wannabe_tank_whore wrote:
The same UN that has picked Zimbabwe, China, Libya, Burma, and Uzbekistan to make up the Human Rights Council? Good logic there, bud.

What is worse:

An alcoholic who admits they have a problem and seeks help to improve themselves

or

An alcoholic who claims to be dry who is still getting drunk in secret?

What is worse:

A nation with a poor human rights record trying to make improvements

or

A nation which claims to be a champion of human rights ignoring them?

EDIT:

Cluster Bombs Report, about 18 minutes in:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid … ster+bombs

Last edited by UnOriginalNuttah (2006-03-22 08:21:10)

2006-03-22 08:19:27

wannabe_tank_whore: Member; +5|7168

UnOriginalNuttah wrote:
wannabe_tank_whore wrote:
The same UN that has picked Zimbabwe, China, Libya, Burma, and Uzbekistan to make up the Human Rights Council? Good logic there, bud.
What is worse:

An alcoholic who admits they have a problem and seeks help to improve themselves

or

An alcoholic who claims to be dry who is still getting drunk in secret?

What is worse:

A nation with a poor human rights record trying to make improvements

or

A nation which claims to be a champion of human rights ignoring them?

Show me evidence that the aforementioned countries have made improvements in human rights.

What is worse:
someone who knows the truth but keeps it secret

or

someone who distorts the truth for their personal agenda

2006-03-22 08:34:31

UON: Junglist Massive; +223|7044

wannabe_tank_whore wrote:
Show me evidence that the aforementioned countries have made improvements in human rights.

What is worse:
someone who knows the truth but keeps it secret

or

someone who distorts the truth for their personal agenda

I don't need to for the point I am making. The point I am making is it is far better to admit you have a problem than deny it. If you deny you have a problem exists then how can you solve it?

To answer your question:

The worse is the person who overlooks their own human rights violations but ridicules others for theirs.

2006-03-22 08:46:53

Starfleet1403: ...to bodly spawn where no one has spawned before!; +66|7013|Born in West-Berlin

TO DUKA AND WANNABE_TANK_WHORE:

I always suspected that most of the U.S. Citizen can't see but 5 yards in front of them. But to get that confirmed on this Forum is very sad.

I never said that you are currently relying on Iraqi Oil.

What you Guys are obviously unable to see is the value of Oil for your Economy. In fact your country needs Oil the most. Since you don't see it necessary to act in Accordance of the Kyoto Protocol (which you have still not ratified), you keep on polluting the Planet. Since the global Oil Reserves are depleted within the next five decades, it seems very convenient to invade the Country with the third largest Oil Reserves, and try to install a Pro-American Goverment to secure those Reserves.

Nice Job. Why do I still have hope that the U.S.A. come to reason?

But what the Fuck. In this Forum, I constantly find proof, for American Arrogance and Ignorance at its finest.
No need to talk about it further. I will delete my Account on this Forum, since there can be no serious "Debate and Talk" with U.S. Citizens.

Last edited by Starfleet1403 (2006-03-22 09:20:23)

2006-03-22 09:20:08

(T)eflon(S)hadow: R.I.P. Neda; +456|7220|Grapevine, TX

This "Letter of Apology" was written by Lieutenant General Chuck Pitman, US Marine Corps, Retired:

For good and ill, the Iraqi prisoner abuse mess will remain an issue. On the one hand, right thinking Americans will abhor the stupidity of the actions while on the other hand, political glee will take control and fashion this minor event into some modern day massacre.

I humbly offer my opinion here:

I am sorry that the last seven times we Americans took up arms and sacrificed the blood of our youth, it was in the defense of Muslims (Bosnia, Kosovo, Gulf War 1, Kuwait, etc.).

I am sorry that no such call for an apology upon the extremists came after 9/11.

I am sorry that all of the murderers on 9/11 were Islamic Arabs.

I am sorry that most Arabs and Muslims have to live in squalor under savage dictatorships.

I am sorry that their leaders squander their wealth.

I am sorry that their governments breed hate for the US in their religious schools, mosques, and government-controlled media.

I am sorry that Yassar Arafat was kicked out of every Arab country and high-jacked the Palestinian "cause."

I am sorry that no other Arab country will take in or offer more than a token amount of financial help to those same Palestinians.

I am sorry that the USA has to step in and be the biggest financial supporter of poverty stricken Arabs while the insanely wealthy Arabs blame the USA for all their problems.

I am sorry that our own left wing, our media, and our own brainwashed masses do not understand any of this (from the misleading vocal elements of our society like radical professors, CNN and the NY TIMES).

I am sorry the United Nations scammed the poor people of Iraq out of the "food for oil" money so they could get rich while the common folk suffered.

I am sorry that some Arab governments pay the families of homicide bombers upon their death.

I am sorry that those same bombers are brainwashed thinking they will receive 72 virgins in "paradise."

I am sorry that the homicide bombers think pregnant women, babies, children, the elderly and other noncombatant civilians are legitimate targets.

I am sorry that our troops die to free more Arabs from the gang rape rooms and the filling of mass graves of dissidents of their own making.

I am sorry that Muslim extremists have killed more Arabs than any other group.

I am sorry that foreign trained terrorists are trying to seize control of Iraq and return it to a terrorist state.

I am sorry we don't drop a few dozen Daisy cutters on Fallujah.

I am sorry every time terrorists hide they find a convenient "Holy Site."

I am sorry they didn't apologize for driving a jet into the World Trade Center that collapsed and severely damaged Saint Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church - one of our Holy Sites.

I am sorry they didn't apologize for flight 93 and 175, the USS Cole, the embassy bombings, the murders and beheadings of Nick Berg and Daniel Pearl, etc....etc!

I am sorry Michael Moore is American; he could feed a medium sized village in Africa.

America will get past this latest absurdity. We will punish those responsible because that is what we do.

We hang out our dirty laundry for the entire world to see. We move on. That's one of the reasons we are hated so much. We don't hide this stuff like all those Arab countries that are now demanding an apology.

Deep down inside, when most Americans saw this reported in the news, we were like - so what? We lost hundreds and made fun of a few prisoners. Sure, it was wrong, sure, it dramatically hurts our cause, but until captured we were trying to kill these same prisoners. Now we're supposed to wring our hands because a few were humiliated?

Our compassion is tempered with the vivid memories of our own people killed, mutilated and burnt amongst a joyous crowd of celebrating Fallujahans.

If you want an apology from this American, you're going to have a long wait! You have a better chance of finding those seventy-two virgins.

Chuck Pitman

Lieutenant General, USMC

https://x11.putfile.com/3/8011062984.jpg

2006-03-22 09:27:30

Cougar: Banned; +1,962|7155|Dallas

Starfleet1403 wrote:
TO DUKA AND WANNABE_TANK_WHORE:

I always suspected that most of the U.S. Citizen can't see but 5 yards in front of them. But to get that confirmed on this Forum is very sad.

I never said that you are currently relying on Iraqi Oil.

What you Guys are obviously unable to see is the value of Oil for your Economy. In fact your country needs Oil the most. Since you don't see it necessary to act in Accordance of the Kyoto Protocol (which you have not signed), you keep on polluting the Planet. Since the global Oil Reserves are depleted within the next four decades, it seems very convenient to invade the Country with the second largest Oil Reserves, and try to install a Pro-American Goverment to secure those Reserves.

Nice Job. Why do I still have hope that the U.S.A. come to reason?

But what the Fuck. In this Forum, I constantly find proof, for American Arrogance and Ignorance at its finest.
No need to talk about it further. I will delete my Account on this Forum, since there can be no serious "Debate and Talk" with U.S. Citizens.

For someone who has a big of a grudge as you do against America, you sure do seem to emerse yourself in our culture. Star Trek, Jack Daniels, Coke, Subway, video games that revolve around the American Armed Forces, etc etc etc. All your little cutsy user bars are just blaring out "loser".

Also, you are one to be judging a country for thier actions, like Germany never made a mistake...or two. Like your country never elected a, how do I say, corrupt head of state. Like your country never "invaded" another country...or twelve. I'm glad that you are deleting your account, thats one less pot calling the kettle black.

Have a great online life your Fuher.

2006-03-22 10:43:54

wannabe_tank_whore: Member; +5|7168

Starfleet1403 wrote:
TO DUKA AND WANNABE_TANK_WHORE:

I always suspected that most of the U.S. Citizen can't see but 5 yards in front of them. But to get that confirmed on this Forum is very sad.

I never said that you are currently relying on Iraqi Oil.

What you Guys are obviously unable to see is the value of Oil for your Economy. In fact your country needs Oil the most. Since you don't see it necessary to act in Accordance of the Kyoto Protocol (which you have not signed), you keep on polluting the Planet. Since the global Oil Reserves are depleted within the next four decades, it seems very convenient to invade the Country with the second largest Oil Reserves, and try to install a Pro-American Goverment to secure those Reserves.

Nice Job. Why do I still have hope that the U.S.A. come to reason?

But what the Fuck. In this Forum, I constantly find proof, for American Arrogance and Ignorance at its finest.
No need to talk about it further. I will delete my Account on this Forum, since there can be no serious "Debate and Talk" with U.S. Citizens.

How can you debate if your mind is made up that we are morons that "can't see 5 yards in front of them"?

50 years from now and we won't need oil. But who's counting? And google ANWR. Hint: we have enought oil to last 30+ years in our own back yard.

The Kyoto Treaty was written as a worst case scenario. 5 years from now, examine china and india's pollutants and tell me the US is still bad.

Last edited by wannabe_tank_whore (2006-03-22 10:45:58)

2006-03-22 12:03:43

UON: Junglist Massive; +223|7044

Cougar wrote:
For someone who has a big of a grudge as you do against America, you sure do seem to emerse yourself in our culture. Star Trek, Jack Daniels, Coke, Subway, video games that revolve around the American Armed Forces, etc etc etc. All your little cutsy user bars are just blaring out "loser".

What does having a grudge against the actions of a particular American president and his actions have to do with American culture or the people of America?

And how does BF2 revolve around the American Armed Forces, it is a fictional game based on fictional scenarios, or do you expect that America will be fighting China for it's Uranium deposits anytime soon? Do you not appreciate the sarcasm at what America represents present in the scenarios presented? Not to mention the MEC doesn't even exist. I'm sure most of the population of your country would tell you that the war is wrong and they wish Bush hadn't acted like the cowboy he is about the whole issue. So tell me, have you eaten a pizza lately? Have you had French (well, Belgian) fries with your big mac lately? I would continue this list, but do I really need to? You've dug your own hole.

Cougar wrote:
Also, you are one to be judging a country for thier actions, like Germany never made a mistake...or two. Like your country never elected a, how do I say, corrupt head of state. Like your country never "invaded" another country...or twelve. I'm glad that you are deleting your account, thats one less pot calling the kettle black.

Is he saying that what went on in Nazi Germany and all the invasions and loss of life were a good thing? I didn't get that impression, and I sincerely doubt he thinks that. There are many Americans who actually support what the Third Reich did in that period, they are called Neo-Nazis. It would seem by your reference that you see America as a 'kettle' that you are actually admitting that you believe invading another country to force an ideology onto the population is an acceptable use of military power, or at least justified of events which occurred during one of the darkest periods of modern history. I can understand his frustration when people like you incriminate themselves with that 'you did it first' attitude, but I know that the people who frequent these forums are not exactly a cross-section of American society.

In the world you portray where the crimes of others excuse your own crimes, Iran would be perfectly justified to build nukes and use them against entire cities because...

YOU DID IT FIRST

I think any rational person would be frustrated by the views you put forward. I for one hope that he won't lose faith that the enough of the US population will wake up to the lies and vote to make a change, because I know for a fact not all (probably not even most) Americans have the same attitude as you. It's a shame if you think they do.

Cougar wrote:
Have a great online life your Fuher.

This statement is the most baffling. I would ask you to elaborate, but I don't really care as it was clearly intended as some kind of barbed statement that has ended up as nonsense.

BTW, neither arrogance nor ignorance imply stupidity. Please look these words up if you don't believe me.

Yes, there are a lot of reserves of oil, and I've seen the sites you refer to, but why don't you google 'peak oil' and see what you find. The results might interest you.

2006-03-22 14:16:30

Renegade2k9: Member; +0|7058|Brooklyn, New York, USA

Starfleet1403 wrote:
Iraq an War? Let's face it guys. First all the U.S. Goverment faked some Evidence of Weapons of Mass Destruction (that never existed) to have a "legitimit" reason to invade Iraq. A Country whose Economy lies in shambles since the liberation of Kuwait.

You ask why they call it the 2nd Vietnam War? Open your f**king Eyes. The similarities lie no in Culture, it's HOW you are loosing Soldiers over there. The Rebels have the same motivation as the Viet Cong had in Vietnam. They want to free their land for U.S. Occupation. Maybe you realise it after 12 years of Occupation.

Why the F**k are U.S. Troops in Iraq anyway? The whole World knows it, yet the U.S. tries to deny it. Iraq has the 2nd largest Oil reserves in the World. Since U.S. Economy mainly relies on Oil, guess what?

WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!!

Oh you mean like how Hitler knew what was best for your country and the rest of the world?

2006-03-22 14:38:27

specops10-4: Member; +108|7134|In the hills

Starfleet1403 wrote:
duka wrote:
Once again a German knows what's best for world politics.
Okay Buddy, since YOU are refering to World Politics and NOT ME, I am ready to get a lecture from YOU!!

So here is the Question. WHAT IS BEST FOR WORLD POLITICS???? EXCEPT FROM THE U.S. STOPPING TO PLAY WORLD POLICE???

Well I just want to see how pissed the world would be if we stopped being world police. They would all be moaning "Fucking Americans have all this money and weaponry yet they wont give us food and they wont stop the people from killing other people around the world. And Duka you might have noticed that you called the US whitehouse or whatever goverment section you were trying to call "parlaiment".

Finally I dont think that the US should just go around the world doing anything but if there are a large number of people in need or danger I think that they should have the authority to come in without much bitching...

2006-03-22 14:48:11

UON: Junglist Massive; +223|7044

Renegade2k9 wrote:
Starfleet1403 wrote:
Iraq an War? Let's face it guys. First all the U.S. Goverment faked some Evidence of Weapons of Mass Destruction (that never existed) to have a "legitimit" reason to invade Iraq. A Country whose Economy lies in shambles since the liberation of Kuwait.

You ask why they call it the 2nd Vietnam War? Open your f**king Eyes. The similarities lie no in Culture, it's HOW you are loosing Soldiers over there. The Rebels have the same motivation as the Viet Cong had in Vietnam. They want to free their land for U.S. Occupation. Maybe you realise it after 12 years of Occupation.

Why the F**k are U.S. Troops in Iraq anyway? The whole World knows it, yet the U.S. tries to deny it. Iraq has the 2nd largest Oil reserves in the World. Since U.S. Economy mainly relies on Oil, guess what?

WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!!
Oh you mean like how Hitler knew what was best for your country and the rest of the world?

What the fuck are you saying renegade? That Bush knows what is best for the American people and the rest of the world like Hitler claimed to but you still support him? Or that your leader is somehow justified in invading Iraq because of what Hitler did it? Or is there a third interpretation of you cryptic remark that I have missed?

2006-03-22 14:51:28

Renegade2k9: Member; +0|7058|Brooklyn, New York, USA

UnOriginalNuttah wrote:
Renegade2k9 wrote:
Starfleet1403 wrote:
Iraq an War? Let's face it guys. First all the U.S. Goverment faked some Evidence of Weapons of Mass Destruction (that never existed) to have a "legitimit" reason to invade Iraq. A Country whose Economy lies in shambles since the liberation of Kuwait.

You ask why they call it the 2nd Vietnam War? Open your f**king Eyes. The similarities lie no in Culture, it's HOW you are loosing Soldiers over there. The Rebels have the same motivation as the Viet Cong had in Vietnam. They want to free their land for U.S. Occupation. Maybe you realise it after 12 years of Occupation.

Why the F**k are U.S. Troops in Iraq anyway? The whole World knows it, yet the U.S. tries to deny it. Iraq has the 2nd largest Oil reserves in the World. Since U.S. Economy mainly relies on Oil, guess what?

WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!!
Oh you mean like how Hitler knew what was best for your country and the rest of the world?
What the fuck are you saying renegade? That Bush knows what is best for the American people and the rest of the world like Hitler claimed to but you still support him? Or that your leader is somehow justified in invading Iraq because of what Hitler did it? Or is there a third interpretation of you cryptic remark that I have missed?

I just don't understand how someone from a country that had a dictator could even consider criticizing any other country?

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