Ok then, if you're going to bring RL into the fight, sure, let's go that route. Pre-emptive strikes by a nation would be considered cheating, they've obviously started before the round has begun. If the attacking nation is in the defending nation's country, they're obviously spawn raping. If they destroy the air fields of a nation, they are just camping the air bases. And remember, it may be a game, but it's a WAR game.
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Attacking uncappable bases: tick all that you find acceptable.
| Lone spec-ops destruction of enemy assets. | 18% | 18% - 260 | ||||
| Spec-ops accompanied by soldier (e.g. support). | 16% | 16% - 226 | ||||
| Jet and chopper strikes on enemy commander assets. | 13% | 13% - 188 | ||||
| Jet /chopper strikes on soldiers in uncappable bases. | 9% | 9% - 129 | ||||
| Artillery on vehicles and soldiers in uncappable bases. | 10% | 10% - 151 | ||||
| Snipers attacking soldiers inside uncappable bases. | 11% | 11% - 161 | ||||
| Whole squads attacking enemy uncappable bases. | 9% | 9% - 132 | ||||
| Vehicles attacking enemy uncappable bases. | 8% | 8% - 119 | ||||
| None of the above, unless one team has no uncap bases. | 1% | 1% - 15 | ||||
| None of the above, regardless of map design. | 0% | 0% - 11 | ||||
| Total: 1392 | ||||||
Depends on the map-design.
If one team has no uncap i think its all ok.
If both teams have uncaps it is fair to kill the others on their way tryin to get out
If one team has no uncap i think its all ok.
If both teams have uncaps it is fair to kill the others on their way tryin to get out
Yes, you must be right DeadboyUSMC, we should just not do anything that would make anyone enjoy the game any less, including killing them, no matter where they are. Gee, if it could possibly frustrate them, let's not do it. Let's just all sit around our main bases, doing nothing, for fear that someone else might not enjoy the game as much. Ever stopped to think that what you may enjoy goes against the purpose of the game? Yes, it's a game. Yes, it's entertainment. Some people enjoy base raping as much as you dislike it. If the game was meant to be played that way, there would be a way to stop it. You would enjoy an invisible barrier around your uncappable base, so you could jerk around with your teammates, take your time getting into the safety of a vehicle, not have to worry about being shot out of AA and not have to worry about your plane being destroyed on the runway as you take off.
Base raping is a valid strategic way to play the game. You take away resources from capping flags by raping a base. You deny them access to vehicles, you deny them access to commander assets. By cutting off their supply of armor and air power, you effectively nullify a couple of the advantages a team CAN have. Base raping is no more or less a valid form of gameplay than killing someone anywhere else on the map. Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it isn't valid, and doesn't mean it isn't part of the game.
If you simply cannot handle base raping and enjoy the game at teh same time, just stick to your wussy servers with pansy rules that cater to unskilled pussies that can't defend themselves. I hope you enjoy it. I do find it ironic that from someone who operates artillery in the USMC, you would be so opposed to the idea of base raping. Yes, I'm sure all those insurgents y ou killed with 155mm rounds really had a chance to defend themselves. It's a war game, meant to mimic actual warfare. It's not a game meant to mimic The Sims with an abrams tank and AK-47.
Base raping is a valid strategic way to play the game. You take away resources from capping flags by raping a base. You deny them access to vehicles, you deny them access to commander assets. By cutting off their supply of armor and air power, you effectively nullify a couple of the advantages a team CAN have. Base raping is no more or less a valid form of gameplay than killing someone anywhere else on the map. Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it isn't valid, and doesn't mean it isn't part of the game.
If you simply cannot handle base raping and enjoy the game at teh same time, just stick to your wussy servers with pansy rules that cater to unskilled pussies that can't defend themselves. I hope you enjoy it. I do find it ironic that from someone who operates artillery in the USMC, you would be so opposed to the idea of base raping. Yes, I'm sure all those insurgents y ou killed with 155mm rounds really had a chance to defend themselves. It's a war game, meant to mimic actual warfare. It's not a game meant to mimic The Sims with an abrams tank and AK-47.
Dude chill out, like u said it's just a game.DeadboyUSMC wrote:
I agree wholeheartedly with you Horseman. This is a game, made for the purpose of entertainment. Sure, it may be a war game, but in real life there is no respawn, no burned corpses on the side of the road, no acrid smell of burning metal and bodies, no fields of blood and limbs. It's fucking pixels. I enjoy playing this game, sure, but when people start using it as an excuse to try and sound tough on the internet by saying things like "war is hell, deal with it", it really pisses me off. More than likely, it's some high school student saying shit like that who has no clue what a real war.Horseman 77 wrote:
War may be hell but this is a game, you are aware of that. right ?Cbass wrote:
It's all acceptable, war is hell deal with it.
I've gone off, and await the flames, it's a given here with the kiddies. Basically, shut the hell up, this isn't war... It's a game, stop trying to sound like a hard-ass when most of you have no fucking clue.
I hardly ever swear, I must be pissed...
Im saying it's a game about war and should be played (as close to) "war" as a game can. it's stupid to make up rules about where u can't fight and blah blah blah. it makes this game a pussy's game.
just for the record im not a "high school student" i graduated 7 years ago. and now i work full time to support myself and my girlfriend.
LMAO @ Torin i agree lets sit in non caps and let deadboy kill us so it makes him happy.
Gotta keep the forum moving somehow. Flaming people whining about base raping is as good as anything else.
It's the best.
It's the 2nd best. The best is flaming ground pounders whining about aircraft! Ha.
Nah, 1st would be no skill air heads
Atleast we found a topic to agree on. LOL
Atleast we found a topic to agree on. LOL
Last edited by Cbass (2006-03-23 13:01:19)
Pew pew pew pew pew, here I come! 70:0 games don't come naturally to just everyone!
did u recieve your Expert TeamSwitch Badge yet? lol
LOL, I don't team-switch. I've team-switched maybe 3 times in my entire career, before I realized, what's the point? Plus, I get enough harassment from the admins for switching, just because I so easily unbalance the teams. I just switch nowadays so I can squad with friends.
If you can't get the WCR legit, why bother? Plus, awards to me are only for personal benefit. I coudl care less what some person thinks about some 1s and 0s I accumulated playing BF2, but for me, unacquired awards help me set goals for myself and keep things fresh.
If you can't get the WCR legit, why bother? Plus, awards to me are only for personal benefit. I coudl care less what some person thinks about some 1s and 0s I accumulated playing BF2, but for me, unacquired awards help me set goals for myself and keep things fresh.
I know im just givin u shit dude. im trying for the WCR but it's going to be so long that it's not my main consern right now. i like playing for awards but i have fun doing it. If this game didn't have awards i wouldn't play half as much. your right all awards should be earned legit, nobody cares what awards i have or u have. its for us.
More internet cowboy crap...Torin wrote:
Yes, you must be right DeadboyUSMC, we should just not do anything that would make anyone enjoy the game any less, including killing them, no matter where they are. Gee, if it could possibly frustrate them, let's not do it. Let's just all sit around our main bases, doing nothing, for fear that someone else might not enjoy the game as much. Ever stopped to think that what you may enjoy goes against the purpose of the game? Yes, it's a game. Yes, it's entertainment. Some people enjoy base raping as much as you dislike it. If the game was meant to be played that way, there would be a way to stop it. You would enjoy an invisible barrier around your uncappable base, so you could jerk around with your teammates, take your time getting into the safety of a vehicle, not have to worry about being shot out of AA and not have to worry about your plane being destroyed on the runway as you take off.
Base raping is a valid strategic way to play the game. You take away resources from capping flags by raping a base. You deny them access to vehicles, you deny them access to commander assets. By cutting off their supply of armor and air power, you effectively nullify a couple of the advantages a team CAN have. Base raping is no more or less a valid form of gameplay than killing someone anywhere else on the map. Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it isn't valid, and doesn't mean it isn't part of the game.
If you simply cannot handle base raping and enjoy the game at teh same time, just stick to your wussy servers with pansy rules that cater to unskilled pussies that can't defend themselves. I hope you enjoy it. I do find it ironic that from someone who operates artillery in the USMC, you would be so opposed to the idea of base raping. Yes, I'm sure all those insurgents y ou killed with 155mm rounds really had a chance to defend themselves. It's a war game, meant to mimic actual warfare. It's not a game meant to mimic The Sims with an abrams tank and AK-47.
I never actually said if I was opposed to it or not. I get into the enemy base quite often and destroy assets. I send arty strikes into uncaps, suppression is valid tactic. My "point" was just how people are phrasing "war is hell" for a game. Please read a little more carefully.
Hell, I guess I'm all for it(base raping). Does that make you feel justified in your post now? Even though I've pretty much agreed with you.
Jumping to conclusions runs rampant around here. Pull out your head...
QFE-=S8M=-Phoenix wrote:
DIDO X2 !!!!!!!!!Cbass wrote:
It's all acceptable, war is hell deal with it.
I see, you're right, I jumped to conclusions.DeadboyUSMC wrote:
Jumping to conclusions runs rampant around here. Pull out your head...
You just want people to stop trying to act hard like they really know what war is like, when you are actually hard and actually know what war is like.
Go marines!
But seriously, it's a war game. Yes, it is a game, actual war is hell, and so should a war game meant to mimic actual warfare.
We're sorry that you are offended because we haven't actually been to Iraq and would even posture to know that war is hell without having smelled the corpses.
A solution to spawncamping uncaps would be to allow the camped team to vote on a forieture. If there are other flags to spawn on then it's not spawncamping but if it's their only flag then it really sucks to be killed over and over with no chance. But if you enable a forfiet vote then the team can vote and lose then begin a fresh new round.
guys like you drive me nuts...DeadboyUSMC wrote:
More internet cowboy crap...
I never actually said if I was opposed to it or not. I get into the enemy base quite often and destroy assets. I send arty strikes into uncaps, suppression is valid tactic. My "point" was just how people are phrasing "war is hell" for a game. Please read a little more carefully.
Hell, I guess I'm all for it(base raping). Does that make you feel justified in your post now? Even though I've pretty much agreed with you.
Jumping to conclusions runs rampant around here. Pull out your head...
it's totally acceptable to find this game offensive since there are real wars and people dying and you think it should not be a matter of entertainment
OR
you can play this game because you understand that it is simply good clean fun and doesnt mean that you are a homicidal maniac or that you dont respect real soldiers
BUT
what you shouldnt do is play the game AND insist that we follow your rules about how we can talk about the game...i could easily say that we shouldn't use the word "kill" or that "revive" should be avoided for the same reasons that you keep insisting in all these threads that people stop using the word "war" because you think we should not be allowed to
QFEKung Jew wrote:
Well said Cbass. Shouldn't have let your team fall so far in the hole in the first place.
"You're the shittiest team I've ever laid eyes on..."
KJ
Makes it hard to be USMC on Sweep or Wake, but suck it up soldier! You've got a job to do.
I can see that I'll never be able to get my point across... Let's just all disagree and hate each other like normal.
If they have no other flag then RAID!
Well rules on my server is, No atacking fixed base Unless you are a sniper, or spec opps blowing up comanders toys.Arkanon wrote:
Tick all of the forms of attack you find acceptable on uncappable (red-circled) enemy bases.
For what it's worth, I think that all forms of attack on uncappable bases are acceptable. It sucks when you're pinned down in your own base, but that usually only happens when your team has completely let the side down.
I don't think the poll chart works as I had thought. (I assumed that the percentage shown would be the percentage of people who submitted opinions, not the percentage of total checkboxes ticked.) But the results are still fairly clear.
The values seem to follow a gradient rather than a clear-cut "all or nothing" split. I'm glad to see that almost nobody thinks that the uncappable bases are virgin territory that should be touched under no circumstances.
I'm surprised to see that a fair number of people do not find jet and chopper attacks on enemy commander assets acceptable. Seems to me like the perfect use for the laser-guided missiles. (And it drives me nuts when I'm the helicopter gunner and the pilot just won't point the chopper at the assets long enough for me to deprive the enemy of UAV and satscan.)
I'm not surprised to see that far less people find full-on assaults on enemy uncappable bases acceptable. I don't like being trapped in a base, being killed repeatedly, but I have seen plenty of escapes from such a situation. It just seems like madness to expect one team to sit about idly while the other team regroup in a protected haven, especially when they have a fixed base and you don't. I think the game allows assaults on fixed bases for a reason. If the designers didn't intend for such ruthlessness, they'd have created a way of allowing troops to stay out of harm's way until they entered the battlefield proper.
The values seem to follow a gradient rather than a clear-cut "all or nothing" split. I'm glad to see that almost nobody thinks that the uncappable bases are virgin territory that should be touched under no circumstances.
I'm surprised to see that a fair number of people do not find jet and chopper attacks on enemy commander assets acceptable. Seems to me like the perfect use for the laser-guided missiles. (And it drives me nuts when I'm the helicopter gunner and the pilot just won't point the chopper at the assets long enough for me to deprive the enemy of UAV and satscan.)
I'm not surprised to see that far less people find full-on assaults on enemy uncappable bases acceptable. I don't like being trapped in a base, being killed repeatedly, but I have seen plenty of escapes from such a situation. It just seems like madness to expect one team to sit about idly while the other team regroup in a protected haven, especially when they have a fixed base and you don't. I think the game allows assaults on fixed bases for a reason. If the designers didn't intend for such ruthlessness, they'd have created a way of allowing troops to stay out of harm's way until they entered the battlefield proper.
well what ever... its a game abouot war... so what..
they also created that map around the uncapp base, just use it, you cant stand the fact... spawn in other cp, or f*** off!
they also created that map around the uncapp base, just use it, you cant stand the fact... spawn in other cp, or f*** off!
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