BF2S Forums Should the EU army have a differnet pistol? If so, which?

that one plus the monkey

Last edited by chrnoicle (2006-04-12 20:02:47)

I loved the USP in CS 1.6

I'm not sure how the myth of the Glock-toting gangster became so prevalent in pop culture.  Probably because it's used extensively in rap/hip-hop songs because it rhymes with "cock".  The truth is the Glock is a highly reliable, polymer-frame handgun available in a wide variety of calibers and firing modes.  Many local police forces use the Glock 17, a 9mm semi-auto weapon with a 17-round magazine.  The Glock 18 can take I believe a 31-round magazine as well as a 17-round one, and can fire in full-auto if necessary.  Other models are available in .40, .45 ACP, etc., not to mention its unbelievable reliability, durabillity and accuracy.  As you may know most firearms have rifled barrels, i.e., grooves on the inside of the barrel that impart spin on the bullet for accuracy.  But these grooves are prone to jamming and getting dirty; the Glock uses an octagonal barrel (!) which is just as effective but more reliable than traditional solutions.  If I recall these weapons are AK-esque in their durability and can be fired tens of thousands of times without a cleaning.

Anyway, that's my commercial for Glock.  Most gangsters probably prefer cheaper, more easily obtained weapons.

True, law enforcement does favor lower-powered firearms.  Hostage rescue teams and police usually use low-velocity 9mm rounds for this reason (for one, stray bullets won't penetrate the drywall in most homes), so you also have a point.

And I do agree that the battlefield is no place for a Desert Eagle, as it is notoriously unreliable.  Then again, so is the M9, with its wide-open barrel/ejection port design...argh.  In desert conditions especially, those designs are just begging for a jam.

[QXJZ]Capt_Kefra wrote:

In desert conditions especially, those designs are just begging for a jam.

In desert wars (and I belive in vietnam as well) US soldiers put condoms over the end of their barrels to prevent crap from getting in em.

And yes, whilst the M9 was a mistake let's hope people don't toss another crappy gun into service (*Cough* L85A1 *Cough*).

Hmm...but, skipping authenticity, what would be the best pistol for standard service? *Ponders*

Last edited by Defiance (2006-04-12 22:59:39)

I agree with the original poster, P226...

Browning Hi-Power.

chrnoicle wrote:

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that one plus the monkey

Only the monkey

or Desert Eagle .50 (just like somebody said before.)

Defiance wrote:

.50 AE has been outlawed for the same reason the .50 BMG has been, in some statutes similar to the Geneva convention.

Neither .50AE nor .50 BMG have been banned by the Geneva Conventions.  Think about it logically:

Do you think, first off, that the liberals in the media would let the military to get away with allowing it's snipers to use M82's against human targets?  They got their panties in a twist when they found out Willy Pete had been used on the battlefield, and called it a chemical weapon. 

Second, I ask you why .50 caliber weapons?  Why do aircraft, like the A-10, get much larger rounds to use against soldiers on the battlefield?  Why do HMMWVV's have a .50 caliber mounted machine gun?  Why do M1A1's have the same?  What makes .50 Caliber weapons so special that they alone get banned, but higher caliber weapons are perfectly acceptable to use on the battlefield?

Personally, I have never heard of a .50 caliber bullet specifically mentioned anywhere except for local and federal laws.  I decided to look up this claim, and the best I could find to support it, was a bunch of forum posts.  To disprove it, I found a powerpoint presentation hosted on the USMC website,
http://www.tecom.usmc.mil/cce/reference … g%2002.PPT


The likely origin of this rumor I found during my searches, was back in 'Nam.  Apparently .50 caliber bullets were being fired off faster then they could be replaced.  It is more then likely that they were told this, to keep .50 BMG in stock and not deplete it.  Probably this, accompanied with local and federal restrictions and bans, permitted this rumor to carry on.  Note that most local and federal bans usually include larger calibers too, but most start at .50.

Unless you can find me an actual, reliable, source who can back up that claim, it doesn't hold water.  The best I could find was more people like you, who make the claim but have no evidence.

You know, USA never signed the Convention, they just abaid (sp?) by the rules.

Hey kefra, I've read some stories about police having safety issues with the glock? Is that true?

Jakethe8lf wrote:

You know, USA never signed the Convention, they just abaid (sp?) by the rules.

Again not true.  There have been 4 Geneva Conventions, the first one, the US did not sign.  All subsequent 3 have been signed by them.  The first one the US signed was in 1882, something like 20 years after the original.  But since then, the US has been a signee of the Convention.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geneva_Conventions
http://ask.yahoo.com/20020212.html


I really suggest some of you check your "facts," before passing them off as such.