Major_Spittle
Banned
+276|7080|United States of America

IronFerret wrote:

well dont know how admins let this kind of ofensive coments go in a such call it "debate and serius talk", if you wanna make fun of mexico and mexicans do it face to face, cos do it online may get you a coward status.

but seriusly im disapointing of this forum they close topics for asking questions that "can" be found with the search function. but they allow racist and xenofobic agresive coments. I dont really get my day ruin because read such crap, but it hasnt been the first ofence agains a whole country latetly and think its getting really agresive.
When Mexicans stop offending me by Breaking My Country's Laws, Running Up My Taxes, Taking Away American Jobs, and Marching in my town demanding the right to do it, then I will stop making fun of them for doing it.  And you wouldn't like it if Americans started telling Illegal Mexicans to their face, you would whine and bitch that much louder.  If you are Mexican I suggest that you fix Mexico so everyone stops invading my country for a better life.
Horseman 77
Banned
+160|7262
The threats are very vague " israel will be punished " etc. They never came out and said " We will do XXXXXX to israel "

If they are a threat, israel will know about it and take the necessary action that is in their own best interests no matter what the results.
GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
+1,860|7069

Capt. Foley wrote:

infront of there back
isreal kinda points towards iran
worst case senario
a MEC type colition forms
china and north korea dont exatly love eachother but they might form a colitions
imagine north korea china and the mid east(-sadi arabia and isreal) against the US EU Australia Japan and SouthKorea
You will not see any kind of MEC coalition coming from Iran.  Persians and Arabs do NOT get along
Horseman 77
Banned
+160|7262

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

Capt. Foley wrote:

infront of there back
isreal kinda points towards iran
worst case senario
a MEC type colition forms
china and north korea dont exatly love eachother but they might form a colitions
imagine north korea china and the mid east(-sadi arabia and isreal) against the US EU Australia Japan and SouthKorea
You will not see any kind of MEC coalition coming from Iran.  Persians and Arabs do NOT get along
WTF was the 1st guy saying. Can you explian the Persian Arabs not getting along part more? I dont know to much about that.
GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
+1,860|7069
A lot of people confuse Iranians with the rest of the regions ethnic groups.  There is a centuries old animosity between Iranians (persians)  and the rest of the middle east (mostly arab).  In general, Arabs consider persians as enemies of the Pan-Arab movement.   


Sidenote: Saddam Hussein was known to reverberate his uncles' philosophy "There are only three things that god should never have made; Jews, Persians and Cockroaches.
Talon
Stop reading this and look at my post
+341|7185
Firstly, it's Israel, not Isreal. Secondly, Israel have enough of their own problems with the Palestinians and Hamas to commit any land forces now. However, as seen in the past, they are VERY good at quick air strikes, and if Iran makes a true threat to use a nuke, I wouldn't put it past them to destroy it, or the delivery system (probably a cruise missile?).

However, we must remember that Iran doesn't have a nuclear bomb yet, and there's no proof that they will. I doubt any sort of nuclear war will ever start in the Middle East, but another conventional war fought mainly in the air could easily start.
Horseman 77
Banned
+160|7262

Talon wrote:

Firstly, it's Israel, not Isreal. Secondly, Israel have enough of their own problems with the Palestinians and Hamas to commit any land forces now. However, as seen in the past, they are VERY good at quick air strikes, and if Iran makes a true threat to use a nuke, I wouldn't put it past them to destroy it, or the delivery system (probably a cruise missile?).

However, we must remember that Iran doesn't have a nuclear bomb yet, and there's no proof that they will. I doubt any sort of nuclear war will ever start in the Middle East, but another conventional war fought mainly in the air could easily start.
Right !  the 1st time Iraq tried to make WMDs it was israel who took them out. Sometime in 1980
sfg-Ice__
Member
+4|7078
Israel has the best air force in the world.  Those guys fight constantly in the most dangerous airspace on the planet.  I think if it came down to it they would definately do the first strike.

To be honest though, I don;t think the world would suffer another world war.  If it comes down to it, I think iran would be nuetralized before the issue came up.  Many countries would rather have a quick desisive battle than a prolonged war.
Ajax_the_Great1
Dropped on request
+206|7072

Rosse_modest wrote:

Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:

Do it Israel you pussies. DO IT! Iran is laughing at you behind your back. Are you gonna take that??
Behind their back?
ROLF, sorry, my mistake.
bruisehound
Member
+14|7205
Gunslinger OIF II, what is your BF2 name? Are you Kilroy?
I want to put you on my leaderboard so I can run into you if we are lucky enough to be online at the same time.

I like to play with/against intelligent people.
bruisehound
Member
+14|7205
Gunslinger OIF II, what is your BF2 name? Are you Kilroy?
I want to put you on my leaderboard so I can run into you if we are lucky enough to be online at the same time.

I like to play with/against intelligent people.
GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
+1,860|7069
shadowdogpound (my name on BF2)...right on

Last edited by GunSlinger OIF II (2006-04-18 22:02:38)

Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|7100|Canberra, AUS

josh's wrote:

http://www.freewebs.com/xer0x_/index.htm
WTF no advertising here please.

Go advertise your game somewhere else.

Or, if you're advertising a clan then post it in the clan section.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
dubbs
Member
+105|7057|Lexington, KY

IronFerret wrote:

well dont know how admins let this kind of ofensive coments go in a such call it "debate and serius talk", if you wanna make fun of mexico and mexicans do it face to face, cos do it online may get you a coward status.

but seriusly im disapointing of this forum they close topics for asking questions that "can" be found with the search function. but they allow racist and xenofobic agresive coments. I dont really get my day ruin because read such crap, but it hasnt been the first ofence agains a whole country latetly and think its getting really agresive.
Stating a fact is not racist.  That is what is happening in the real world right now.  You are being racist agains the every other race that has came to the US legally.  Now shut up and go back into your little hole.
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|7100|Canberra, AUS

IronFerret wrote:

well dont know how admins let this kind of ofensive coments go in a such call it "debate and serius talk", if you wanna make fun of mexico and mexicans do it face to face, cos do it online may get you a coward status.

but seriusly im disapointing of this forum they close topics for asking questions that "can" be found with the search function. but they allow racist and xenofobic agresive coments. I dont really get my day ruin because read such crap, but it hasnt been the first ofence agains a whole country latetly and think its getting really agresive.
O_o Someone needs a cup of coffee...
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
sfg-Ice__
Member
+4|7078
Its just not mexicans coming here illegally.  There are people coming from pretty much every country in the world illegally.  To assume that its all mexs might be constrewed as rasist.
GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
+1,860|7069

sfg-Ice__ wrote:

Its just not mexicans coming here illegally.  There are people coming from pretty much every country in the world illegally.  To assume that its all mexs might be constrewed as rasist.
Tango Mike, glad you pointed that out before I did.  Enough Said about that I think.


Back on subject:

If Israel does anything to Iran you could pretty much kiss all world peace goodbye for a long time, I think.  Once Israel gets involved, I believe the islamic, not just arab or persian world, would go nuts. And if that happens.....use your imagination
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|7100|Canberra, AUS

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

sfg-Ice__ wrote:

Its just not mexicans coming here illegally.  There are people coming from pretty much every country in the world illegally.  To assume that its all mexs might be constrewed as rasist.
Tango Mike, glad you pointed that out before I did.  Enough Said about that I think.


Back on subject:

If Israel does anything to Iran you could pretty much kiss all world peace goodbye for a long time, I think.  Once Israel gets involved, I believe the islamic, not just arab or persian world, would go nuts. And if that happens.....use your imagination
What would you mean by that?

The Indonesians, I don't doubt, do not give ONE SHIT about Israel.

I have an Islamic friend.

He is one of the smarter people in our year. He has no problems. He has no problems with the west. He has no problem with our culture. He never talks about his religion.

So enough with the sterotyping.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
Talon
Stop reading this and look at my post
+341|7185
Israel's not going to do anything until they've sorted out the Palesitinian raids. Hell, my cousin (tank driver in Israeli army) got two tanks rocketed in his base a couple of months ago. Luckily he got out in time (Bail out!)

Also, if some of you look at a map, you'll notice Iraq Jordan, and the West Bank lie between Iran and Israel. Short of going round Saudi Arabia theres no invasion route, and if the Iranians tryed that their ships would be bombed to pieces by the IAF.

Last edited by Talon (2006-04-19 02:21:26)

Sambuccashake
Member
+126|7035|Sweden

Talon wrote:

Hell, my cousin (tank driver in Israeli army) got two tanks rocketed in his base a couple of months ago. Luckily he got out in time (Bail out!)
[Sidetrack]
That's the Merkava tank right?
So it's true what they say that it can take quite a beating before the crew is injured/killed.

Glad to hear he's ok.[/Sidetrack]
JahManRed
wank
+646|7053|IRELAND

Major_Spittle wrote:

With all the crap the US and its real Allies is taking from the world for spending billions and peacefully removing the last crazy warmonger in the Middle East, I doubt this or the next President of the United States will be too willing to take the lead in getting rid of the one in Iran.

So now what??? Isreal will start doing air strikes on its own and every country in the Middle East will then go nuts and terrorist will retaliate against (the only people it can) Europe, America, and Canada.  I can already hear all the countries lining up to blame Isreal and not the terrorist or Islamic states for all the violence.  Not so unlike the whole cartoon of Mohamad was the problem and Isreal is blame for the violence between them and Palestin.

or

Europe takes care of a problem in its own backyard..... LOL, just kidding.

or

Europe talks and talks and makes empty threats through the UN until Iran one day Nukes Isreal and threatens Europe. Europe then cries bloody murder about how the US made this all happen and it is the US's fault for not taking care of it.

or

Mexicans hear that if you sneak into Iran you get free medical care, tax free job, free education (in spanish), and the right to march down the street demanding citizenship without being haul off and deported. This of course leads to 6 million illegal mexicans going to Iran a year which normalizes the country and dilutes the radical Islamic Retards.

Which senerio is most likely, or did I miss one????
THIS IS THE TYPICAL AMERICAN RIGHT WING ATTITUDE THATS RUINING THIS WORLD. Problem is, no one in the USA can remember past the birth of McDonnalds.
Isreal was just a land grab. All the land was stolen of other countries. Ok they have a right because of religous books tell them they came from there. BUT HELLO not everyone is Jewish. The USA would allow a load of Islamic settlers to claim Florida because the Karan says its a holy area. You didnt let the british do it, hence 4th July...... look at the big picture folks and stop the double standards. From being in the USA a load of times I realised that I see more news about american policies and what is really going on with america and I live in Ireland. The media spoon feeds the people what the government wants to hear. The truth is that the money in america is controlled by Jews and the government has to do whatever to keep these ppl happy, even if that meens supporting a terrorist state at any cost.
Iran is an Idolical state. They are very advanced and shock horror, women work and go to university and dont have to cover themselves up. Iran like every other state is worried about the impending energy crisis and why the hell wouldnt it enrich urenium? It has to be enriched to 85% to make a bomb, they have it enriched to 0.3%, enough to make power. Who the hell does the USA, the only country to invent and use a nuke in a time of war think it is dictating to. Its a smoke screen in my opinion, to, like Iraq, gain control of one of the last reserves of crude oil. At least the Iranian president was elected by his people, not like BUSH who rigged the election. If that election rig happened in Europe the people would uprise (see the Orange revolution last year) and make the government change. In america, people sit back, its ok we will still have our lifestyle at the expence of the rest of the worlds stability. BUSH IS THE TERRORIST.!!!
B.Schuss
I'm back, baby... ( sort of )
+664|7266|Cologne, Germany

well, for once, Israel doesn't share a border with Iran. They have the capabilities to execute quick airstrikes against selected Iranian targets ( which they have done in the past ), but they surely don't have the military or economical potential to attack Iran. Just look at the map and compare population strength.

map: http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/middle_e … _ref01.jpg

Israel has around 7 mill. people, Iran has 68 mill. . Even with the IDF being as professional and strong as they are, they would not be able to muster enough soldiers to successfully stage an attack on Iran.

They could attack the nuclear facilities in Iran only, but that would not solve the general problem, just delay it.
Iran would simply move all the facilities undeground.

Btw, as Spark has mentioned, there is no legal way to deny Iran access to the peaceful use of nuclear energy. Iran has signed the NPT, but that doesn't mean they cannot use nuclear technology peacefully. The exact opposite is the case. The NPT specifically acknowledges the right of its members to use nuclear technology peacefully.

In the end, airstrikes against nuclear facilities won't do the trick. They can delay the progress, but not bring it to a complete halt.

As far as Iran's threats towards Israel are concerned, I don't take them seriously. That's just rethoric.
Horseman 77
Banned
+160|7262

sfg-Ice__ wrote:

Israel has the best air force in the world.
Deadly, Leanest,  meanest, but best ? Hardly. For one, look who they fought and primarily against Soviet Equipment. ( Woof )
They are mostly Tactical Air ( Air to ground ) and AA threats are real but diminished and somewhat hampered by lack of current technology.( spelled not US or European ) They are the best funded Air Force. It costs thousands of dollars per hour to operate a Modern jet fighter, Millions to train pilots but..
They are well Funded. ( Primarily by the USA This is not lost on the Arab world  - 911 etc. )

sfg-Ice__ wrote:

Those guys fight constantly
They "did" fight constantly now the ADF uses its Air assets primarily for police work. Bombing and rocketing suspects. That this occurs in the most densely populated region on earth " the Gaza strip " does cause some consternation from the locals.

Can you imagine what would happen if the NYPD or LAPD used an Apache Gunship to rocket a Bodega that Maybe ? had a crime suspect inside.

sfg-Ice__ wrote:

in the most dangerous airspace on the planet.
Again, AA threats are real but diminished and somewhat hampered by lack of current technology. ( they don't fight against first rate Equipment )

sfg-Ice__ wrote:

I think if it came down to it they would definitely do the first strike.
They may. They could. they are more than capable If it is to their benefit and they see no other course of action. They have a Record of First strikes. The Six Day War was a First Strike for them also, though few people are aware of it.

sfg-Ice__ wrote:

To be honest though, I don;t think the world would suffer another world war.  If it comes down to it, I think Iran would be nuetralized before the issue came up.
How ?

sfg-Ice__ wrote:

Many countries would rather have a quick desisive battle than a prolonged war.
Most people through history wanted a "Quick Decisive Action." Germany in WWI and WWII, Japan in WWII The list goes on and on, ( add your  own )  Who ever said " lets just get in a Slow prolonged War here."

Bush to his credit and foresight said " This will not End on my Watch " He knew we would basically be trading for a lesser level of Violence in The Enemy's back yard instead of 3000 deaths in 20 minutes in our own.
      The Enemy will rarely accommodate even the best plans you make. These people are not dumb they will not wear a Uniform or rally behind a Flag for us to target. You have to have the Guts to see it through. israel knows this and this is how they operate. they give their military the widest possible discretion in anything they do. They back them 100% Our US military in Iraq is walking on eggs knowing the Liberal Democrats are selling them out to get the White House back at any cost. The IDF has the complete support of all its citizens. This helps a lot. This make them a Force to be feared by some Respected by ALL, but not best.

Last edited by Horseman 77 (2006-04-19 05:48:34)

Talon
Stop reading this and look at my post
+341|7185
most densely populated region on earth " the Gaza strip "
Surely Mexico City, Rio De Janerio, Jakarta, etc are far more densely populated?

Israel has around 7 mill. people, Iran has 68 mill. . Even with the IDF being as professional and strong as they are, they would not be able to muster enough soldiers to successfully stage an attack on Iran.
You do realise being in the army for 2 years is compulsory in Israel at age 18? That means everyone in the country has military training, and they can do instant conscription and get an army of ready trained soldiers.

Last edited by Talon (2006-04-19 12:20:24)

Mason4Assassin444
retired
+552|7087|USA
I think Israel, Iran, Iraq, USA, China, North Korea, UK, Russia, and yes.....France too.......Germany, and any other ally of a nation can get ready for WW3/Crusades/HolyWar.....take your pick.


Too much hatred and aggression building up to not have a boiling point.

Irony of the whole thing is Irans President was elected through democratic election.

So should the people of Iran stand behind thier leader if he invades Israel?

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