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And I think bf2 choppers should have air to air missiles like the ones in real life, people would finally get to scare those jets who do 8 billion passes before they get you

I think it has been said but still : rockets on choppers are hydra missiles (the little ones) and hellfires missiles. hellfires missiles are laser guided like the ones on the bombers

On Cobras, the hellfire missiles are tv guided and on Apaches, laser-guided. and im not sure if tv-guided missiles on Cobras are called "hellfire" but they are similar in strenght as the real laser-guided hellfire missiles.

Thats it for real life, but in the game, the apache has tv-guided missiles.

im not sure if ive been clear, my english is not perfect

*TS*tphai wrote:

omg i hate this karma thing its point less

true, +1

Last edited by -=raska=- (2006-04-22 21:35:14)

i like being in a chopper by myself and switching back and forth between pilot and gunner. you can own the skies all alone...
but if someone wants in then i will let him, and if i had to pick one, i would be a gunner.

again
the missles on the helis in bf2 are maverick missles and there soviet counterpart
the missles that should be on the heli are hellfire missles that are lazer guided
JUST BECAUSE IT IS GUIDED AND ON HELICOPTER DOSE NOT MEEN IT IS A HELLFIRE MISSLE DAMNIT

i have to ask- why all the posts on the heli missiles? everyone seems to be arguing (actually more like a polite debate now though) about something which doesnt actually affect game play- you shoot them, guide them a little and people die. whats wrong with that?

AH-1Z

A four bladed version of the AH-1W, designated the AH-1Z, is also under development; the addition of the extra blades dramatically improves the performance envelope of the AH-1W. Currently, the AH-1W is being retrofitted with a Kollsman-manufactured Night Targeting System (NTS). The aircraft is also undergoing a cockpit reconfiguration to allow for easier copilot/gunner access to the NTS. The upgrade of the AH-1W, including the new cockpit, is referred to as the Four Bladed AH-1W (4BW) and the upgrade of the UH-1N drive train is referred to as the Four Bladed UH-1N (4BN). Collectively, the 4BN/4BW effort constitutes the USMC H-1 Upgrades Program.

The Marine Corps plans to upgrade 180 of the AH-1W gunships to the new AH-1Z standard. The first flight was conducted in December 2000, to be followed by low-rate initial production beginning in February 2002, with deliveries running from 2004 through 2013.

In July 1998, Bell Helicopter competitively selected Lockheed Martin for development of the AH-1Z Target Sight System (TSS). The TSS provides advanced third generation thermal image processing, eye-safe laser range finding, target designation, and full fire control integration. In August 1998, four AH-1Ws were delivered to Bell Helicopter for conversion into AH-1Z test aircraft. In September 1998, engineers completed a highly successful critical design review of the airframe, which featured a state-of-the-art, computer generated electronic mock-up to convey design details. The design review paved the way for manufacturing development. Also in 1998, the program delivered seven AH-1Ws to the Marine Corps, bringing the current aircraft inventory to 201. Additionally, several other improvements for the AH-1W (night targeting system and communications/navigation) continued.

This program combines upgrades of two USMC H-1 aircraft: the AH-1W Cobra attack helicopter and the UH-1N light utility helicopter. The common element of the two will be identical twin engines and drive trains, including a new four-bladed rotor previously developed but not fielded. In addition, the AH-1 attack helicopter will gain a new integrated cockpit and night targeting system. The upgrade will extend the life of the H-1 two models well into the 21st century. The AH-1 will contribute to precision engagement and full-dimensional protection; the UH-1 will provide support to focused logistics.

Bearingless, composite main rotor systems were successfully tested at BHTI in the early 1980’s and are now standard on the Bell 430 helicopter. Based on the performance of this remarkable rotor system, the USMC decided to incorporate it in their new AH-1Z helicopter. This unique rotor system provides unprecedented agility, substantially increased speed, a smoother ride, a more stable weapons platform, and excellent reliability. It will also reduce crew fatigue and enhance combat mission effectiveness.

A Sikorsky Bearingless Main Rotor (SBMR) was successfully tested in the 40- by 80-Foot Wind Tunnel test section of the NASA Ames National Full-Scale Aerodynamics Complex (NFAC). This five-bladed 44-foot diameter demonstrator rotor system was designed using existing S-76 composite main rotor blades and a new five-bladed hub, employing design features similar to the rotor proposed for the RAH-66 Comanche. The rotor was first tested on the Sikorsky Main Rotor Whirl Stand, concluding in August 1991. A Memorandum of Agreement (MOA) was then signed to perform a wind tunnel test at Ames. Under the MOA, Sikorsky performed additional qualification testing and analysis to support the test program. NASA provided technical support during the pre-test effort and then tested the rotor system for a 14-week period during the summer of 1992.

Under the 4BW/4BN fully integrated cockpits will be phased into the development after initial work on the drive system is underway. Initial work will consist of simultaneous design efforts for the 4BW and 4BN. Major modifications include: a new rotor system with semi-automatic bladefold of the new composite rotor system, a new performance matched transmission, a new 4-bladed tail rotor and drive system, a more effective stabilizer, upgraded landing gear, tail pylon structural modifications and common cockpits.

This remanufacture will add 10,000 flight hours to 4BW/4BN airframes. The 4BW will increase aircraft maneuverability, speed, and payload (ordnance) capability. The fully integrated cockpits will reduce operator workload and improve situational awareness, thus increasing safety. It will provide growth potential for future weapon systems and avionics, which would increase mission effectiveness and survivability. As discrete systems have previously been added to both aircraft, pilot workload has progressively worsened. The cockpits will include integration of on-board mission planning, communications, digital fire control, self navigation, night targeting, and weapons systems in nearly identical crew stations reducing training requirements. The 4BN effort will incorporate the 4BW rotor system into the UH-1N aircraft, as well as a fully integrated cockpit common with the 4BW, maximizing commonality between the two aircraft and providing needed improvements in crew and passenger survivability, payload, power available, endurance, range, airspeed, maneuverability and supportability.

The 4BN/4BW program was instituted in the summer of 1996 by combining several lesser upgrades planned but not executed by the Marine Corps. Prior to entry into EMD in September, 1996, DOT&E approved the program's alternative LFT&E plan and USD(A&T) approved a waiver from full-up, system-level LFT&E. The AH-1W will be tested full-up, system-level; the UH-1N received a waiver from full-up, system-level testing. The H-1 Upgrade ORDs require that both helicopters be tolerant to impacts by 12.7mm rounds and have crashworthy enhancements. Additionally, the drive components of the AH-1W should be tolerant to 23mm rounds.

The H-1 Upgrade has the most comprehensive and realistic aircraft LFT&E program approved to date. The program will include full-up, system-level testing of an AH-1W and testing of all but the tail (which is common to both aircraft) of the UH-1N. It will explore in detail various potential kill mechanisms related to the expected threat. The LFT&E program is integrated fully into the systems engineering effort and should yield a reasonable opportunity to incorporate improvements if deficiencies are found.

Accoridng to DOT&E, the AH-1Z attack helicopter demonstrated a doubling in payload and a 20 percent increase in range and endurance over the AH-1W aircraft during 2003 testing. The digital cockpit enhanced pilot situational awareness and reduced workload in some areas. However, poor targeting performance of the newly installed Targeting Sight System (TSS) degraded mission effectiveness and increased pilot workload. Problems with TSS stability, focusing, target loss during field-of-view changes, and anomalous TSS behavior must be resolved before this aircraft can be considered operationally effective.

ExtremeSpy506 wrote:

Capt. Foley wrote:

ive accepted the fact that most bf2 players are idiots so i do a slow dive at a tank to allow my gunner to TV him and if he decides 2 put 20mm rounds into it i will instead unload 8 hydra rockets into the tank
a mavirick missle is TV guided
a hellfire missle is lazer guided, the new hell fire missles are fire and forget but the ones on the AH1Z and the AH64 are lazer guided hell fire missles that can be fired all at once using different codes for each missle so they do not get confused by the lazer and all attack the same target
go watch the Military Channel, it usualy has alot of these things on it

I dont have cable to watch Military Channel

i dont watch it anymore
i used 2 be a nerd kinda and watch that stuff all the time

ExtremeSpy506 wrote:

AH-1Z

A four bladed version of the AH-1W....etc[/url]

where did this come from? its good info but still you should cite em out of respect.

HOLY SHIT

Cobra has TV guided AGM-114 Hellfire missiles(laser guided in real life, would rape in BF2)

And Hydra-70 2.5 inch fin folding aerial rockets

And 23 mm rotary cannon(not chaingun, chaingun on Apache)

F-15 has AGM-65 maverick laser guided missiles...done with armament stats

Now as for the question I prefer gunner

i prefere to be the gunner if you have a good pilot (in bf1942 desert combat everyone wanted to be the pilot)
but if theres some guy who cant fly then i have to say pilet even though youll get less points

What is extremespy's obsession with multiselect polls, anyway?

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Gunner FTW! Not AH-1Z, not Z-10 but Mi-28, by the way. It has splash damage, decet rate of fire, TV missles, you get twice as many points as the pilot, usually