BF2S Forums Sniper bonus

Kmarion wrote:

Is it just me or does anyone else think that snipers should be awarded a bonus point for kills?

LOL, well I won't argue with that!

Kmarion wrote:

With UAV and scans how long can a sniper really last?

The whole game in some cases. I've been something like 18 and 2 and 24 and 3 a couple of times recently and if I played a better stand-off game I could try for zero deaths more often.

ssonrats wrote:

Maybe +1 teamwork for a headshot?

Or at least some kudos for a 'full-health, dead' headshot

ReDmAn_ThE_uNiQuE wrote:

...i can easily end up in the first 3 with sniper

I can too - any sniper worth their salt can - but let's be realistic, it's not common and it depends on the quality of the other players in the game. Sharqi, any good pilot/gunner pair are going be in the top two spots for each team more than likely. Karkand, dedicated armour users (particularly if the APC and tank work as a team, with engineers in control).

Mason4Assassin444 wrote:

How do I feel....I played spec ops like a champ from the start and we got ZERO, I'll say it again ZERO points for blowing up asssets. I would have loved to have the 1 point for each thing then. To think I wasted the first 3 months blowing that shit up for nothing. But hey, I got my hours.....what bullshit....

Jesus, that sucks! I didn't know that. What a load of BS, like a lot of the scoring in the game initially (geared to deathmatch in a game supposedly about teamplay and capturing/holding territory).

Sgt.Zubie wrote:

Interesting.hmmm maybe the headshot at say over 400 could be worth one extra point.

Over 400? Bloody hell I can barely see that far! This would preclude any map with fog, make it a realistic distance like 130 or so.

Sgt.Zubie wrote:

Interesting.hmmm maybe the headshot at say over 400 could be worth one extra point. It's pretty good like it is though. Speaking of extra points I would like to see AT soldier get one for destroying a tank.

Yeah, that deserves some bonuses.

Tor77 wrote:

I disagree with you. Snipers are - generally speaking - a waste of digital skin. It's the most "selfish" class of all and all they do is hog up space to rack up kills. Most of the time they get 5-8 kills in a round unless they claymore-whore on Karkand.

<cough>BS<cough>

Only bad snipers rack up a mere 5-8 kills in a game. I'll admit straight out I'm not that great but I'll almost always top 15 these days plus I'll regularly have the most flag defends, about 5-8 (that's what claymore are for ) which is all about the team's goals.

Snipers can be a great example of the wasp effect - I've tied up a whole squad for a few minutes as they track me down and while they're doing that they're not killing my team and they're not capping or defending flags.

Tor77 wrote:

Totally agree with Mason4 - add more points to valuable things like taking out enemy assets, killing the commander, capping flags alone etc. +1 to you Mason!

Agreed. Hmm, hunting the commander for bonuses, there's an idea.

I got negativ Karma because I need to get some sniper skill.."go buy some skills, then you wont die as much" lol . I know I suck at sniping. don't really care for it. Punished for asking what people thought.   Some people make a living out of making ppl feel bad.

To further illustrate the point that snipers don't have to be a waste of space on a team as far as winning goes:

Tor77 wrote:

I disagree with you. Snipers are - generally speaking - a waste of digital skin. It's the most "selfish" class of all and all they do is hog up space to rack up kills. Most of the time they get 5-8 kills in a round unless they claymore-whore on Karkand. Oh look at me! I can stay on a roof top for 20 minutes without dying!

OK, it's not that bad but you know what I mean. The only times I play sniper is on larger vehicle maps when I'm a squad leader. Some might argue that they are lying prone and defending flags from a distant but most of the time they fail at that as well. Besides, those that argue about sniper being a l337 class are snipers themselves.

I have seen some sniper videos around here and although fun to watch you don't help your team out by lying on the US island on Wake taking out Solo Driver Bob.

Totally agree with Mason4 - add more points to valuable things like taking out enemy assets, killing the commander, capping flags alone etc. +1 to you Mason!

Wow I'm glad I'm not one of them snipers, I'd cry if I only got 5-8 kills a round O_o

maybe if it was a reaaallly short round. But as a sniper I can usually take out 10% or more of their tickets, lose 1-4% of ours, and that's pretty decent since I make up less than 5% of our team.

the problem with snipers is that there is too many of them and they are not good, same thing with pilots but what can you do

there should only be a couple of snipers on each map and those guys should be excellent at what they do and should be near the top of the kills list and have almost no deaths...those kinds of snipers are awarded accordingly with stars and tons of points from kills

BUT instead of only the worthy people picking this class we have a large number of people who think its cool to be a sniper and so on average a team gets 4 or 5 crappy snipers with negative kvd ratios who make almost no effect on the battlefield aside from claymores being everywhere

i snipe sometimes and i love it, when i am sniping it means that i am just playing for fun and i have posted that i feel selfish when i do because i know i could be assault and taking a bunch of flags for my team, and i aint that bad of a sniper and i often do come in close to the top in kills but still feel selfish

it doesnt bother me that much, people wanna play and have fun and i cant fault them for that but i do think the last thing we need is to make sniper a more attractive class

as far as point adjustments go, i 100% support the idea that destroying a vehicle with someone in it should earn you a teampoint (not a point for each person but a point for every occupied vehicle destroyed)

in contrast, i think medics are far too overcompensated for waht they do, i think it ridiculous how hard it is to get a repair point compared to being able to get TWO points for reviving AND points for healing, i love being revived and i think medics are great but they get far too many points too easily while other classes have to work extremly hard for less (Spec Ops, AT, Engie) and Assault troops have no way to make alternate points at all

Last edited by strangelove (2006-05-03 15:39:36)

Geez, why do people think of snipers as such a useless class. A sniper with a 65 to 32 k/d ratio is a lot more useful than a medic with a 1 to 1 and 20 revives, not to mention how many of those were right in front of a tank, especially when the sniper had 5 flag defends. A sniper can be as useful as teh assault class, if not more. Why don't people rag on the assault class anyways? Honestly, I think it's because people just want to rag on anything they're not good at. However, I think that one of the most useless things is the games has to be a sniper that camps, but as long as the sniper doesn't sit back and snipe people from 500m, then they're one of the most effective classes.

I don't think sniper's need extra points.  I usually finish in the top 10 and all I do (well mostly) is snipe.  Keep practicing and the points will come.

+1 team point for a spot/kill by team member sounds like a good idea.

Last edited by Pfc. Leemus (2006-05-04 00:07:17)

I didn't read all of the replies, but no, snipers should not get additional points for a kill. what's the point?
It's quite easy to rack up kills with the sniper if you're good.

Counter-sniping is better than sex.

(5 snipers on the crane in Sharqi, spawn as sniper, 5 free kills)

Pfc. Leemus wrote:

+1 team point for a spot/kill by team member sounds like a good idea.

No offense, but I think this is a bad idea. If we give people points for spotting enemies, people are just going to chat spam 'enemy spotted' every chance they get in hopes of getting extra points.

Snipers are useful, Im not debating that. In fact, sniper is my most played class, but its not the ONLY class I play. Im almost always the first one to to switch kits to something else when needed. Most snipers Ive seen are completely ignorant of the fact they are on a team.  Nothing pisses me off more when there is an enemy tank tearing through the team because everyones a sniper and wont change to AT or even Spec Ops to try to take it out.

Snipers are great in many situations, I just wish people would realize they are almost completely useless in others.

+1 teamwork for planting a claymore perhaps?

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No.

I am pretty proficient at sniping (I'm no Nyte/Citizen but I've got my share of moving heli/car/boat headshots) and a kill is a kill.

You get two points, and nothing more. There are enough snipers as it is, and we don't need the allure of more points to attract more.

I'm not trying to discourage competition, but the only mostly sniper team I've ever seen win is one that is completly snipers, in which kills come fast because of atleast 5 people aiming at the same person at any one time.

But get 1/2 sniper and 1/2 other and you're doomed.

It'll do more damage to BF2 then what has already been done by EAs rushed patches.

Last edited by Defiance (2006-05-04 15:09:12)