BF2S Forums Heli pilots - stop blaming your gunner

CrazeD wrote:

Let's see. You have a pilot who can barely keep the bird in the air, with a very good gunner. The pilot just hovers there, getting the gunner a shot. Then the enemy chopper fires a TV missle, dodges the incoming TV missle, and blows you up.

You have a very good pilot, and a mediocre gunner. The pilot dodges the incoming TV missles, while still lining up the gunner for shots...even if the gunner can't make them. The pilot slowly gains altitude and closes the gap between the heli's, all the while avoiding missles and gunfire, and trying to give the gunner a good shot.

You see what I'm saying? I didn't say gunning was easy, just that piloting takes more concentration and more multi-tasking. Really, all a gunner has to do is sit back and click the mouse around... that's simplifying gunning a lot, but that's really all they have to do. They don't have to make critical decisions that could cost you a 15 second time-out. They don't have to dodge gunfire, AA's, terrain, all while getting the gunner a good, clear shot.

I'm not trying to say piloting is harder than gunning, nor am I saying that gunning takes no skill and any noob can do it. But rather that piloting takes a lot of concentration, and that dying while in a chopper is the pilot's fault in most circumstances. The only deaths I can think of that would be the gunner's fault is a mobile AA shot, or killing a heli - everything else is the pilot's fault.

I know what you're saying and i agree that piloting in general is a lot more difficult then gunning. However, in this situation (heli vs heli at range) good piloting doesn't count for that much in my books. I've had good gunners that have knocked good pilots out of the sky while they were pulling off evasive manuvers. I've gotten tved plenty of times while trying to dodge incoming fire.

All i'm trying to say is lining up for a tv shots at longrange does not require lots of skill, it's easy and most novice pilots can do it with ease. If you have a good gunner, he will hit no matter what manuvers the target chopper is pulling off.

I always say that I have the "Curse of the Heliribbon".

I still haven't got my heli ribbon,when I'm piloting I get the time requirements but can't get 19 kills with the shitty rockets.
And the gunner I usually get couldn't hit infantry if they would jump up and down in front of his cockpit.
I always "keep my diameter"(like ArmyDr. from the chopper-tutorials calls it) and circle around a hotspot,like the TV-tower on Sharqi,there are tons of infantry just waiting to be shot but my "gunner" doesn't do squat until I have to fly back to repair (which I do as soon as 1/3,max 1/2 of the energy is down) or a lucky SRAW gets us both.
The few rounds where I had a great gunner and my flying was great I totally dominated the map,one or two crashes though but a ton of kill assists.And after crashing the people who were gunner even wanted me to fly for them and flew around to pick me up!

The other role,when I'm the gunner,is what annoys me the most.
I just need 19 kills in a chopper,which should be a piece of cake when your pilot knows how to line up targets,and 15 minutes in a chopper in one round should be easy aswell when the pilot flies back for repair instead of kamikaze flying after depleting his rockets.
And I get the idiots who think their flying is so 1337 because they fly so friggin' low that I can only get earthworms,snakeshit and ammobags into my TV-missile scope,when it comes to lining up TV-shots against tanks these "pilots" totally ignore me as a gunner and try to take out tanks all by themselves(greedy kills,eh?),in chopper dogfights they just run(the worst thing you can do,if you run you die)after missing with all their rockets,basically they just suck.
I'm not the best gunner/pilot myself,sometimes I horribly miss with the chaingun,but when my pilot knows how to line up shots for me I destroy tank after tank with the TV-missile.
At least I'm using the chaingun against infantry and lightly armoured vehicles and the TV-missile against APCs and Tanks,not the other way around,like some "experts" do.

I'm still waiting for the perfect round with the perfect pilot so I can get my friggin' heliribbon,aerial service was a total no-brainer compared to this,bomb,rearm,repeat.

The pictures of the chopper-views from secretsofbattlefield.com should be in the manual of the game,at least for somebody who really wants to become a good,teamworking pilot/gunner the knowledge you get from these pictures is crucial.You immediately know if the pilot is aware of this "view-shift" after the first target line up.


btw:
This spooks around in my head for some time:
Taking out commander's assets is a totally underrated task,3 TV-missiles can take out an artycannon,the UAV or the satellite dish,no other weapon has that kind of power,except C4 or a jet-bomb,and the range lets you destroy artillery from quite far away and reloading is way faster than a lonely SpecOps in the enemy base can possibly do.

Last edited by Mj.Blindfisch (2006-05-05 14:21:58)

R0lyP0ly wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

Sexy in Garden wrote:

I take my gunner on a 2 minute trial, if they fail I take them out the boundaries and get them killed

I love when someone does that to me, that way the little twat won't fly again all round, or all day for that matter, because I will hunt the bitch down all day.

hell yea marine; fuck you garden. who says the gunner shouldn't take YOU on a 2min trial to see if you can evade AA and hover for a split-second TV??? I Hate arrogant pilots who blame their misfortune on  a "noob" gunner. who made you god? why do you get to say "no, my $50 for this game was better than his $50, so i decide if HE'S good enough to fly with me"

I HATE PPL LIKE YOU SEXY IN GARDEN!

Awesome R0lyP0ly -----  well said !!!

Dumbazz_noob wrote:

R0lyP0ly wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

I love when someone does that to me, that way the little twat won't fly again all round, or all day for that matter, because I will hunt the bitch down all day.

hell yea marine; fuck you garden. who says the gunner shouldn't take YOU on a 2min trial to see if you can evade AA and hover for a split-second TV??? I Hate arrogant pilots who blame their misfortune on  a "noob" gunner. who made you god? why do you get to say "no, my $50 for this game was better than his $50, so i decide if HE'S good enough to fly with me"

I HATE PPL LIKE YOU SEXY IN GARDEN!

Awesome R0lyP0ly -----  well said !!!

...thx...

polarbearz wrote:

XstrangerdangerX wrote:

Again tonight on wake I got something like 50 and 1 and 43 and 7... TV missiles are the greatest weapon in the game...

and oh dear god the hilarity when the pilot hovers above the south village if it's the only island flag USMC have...

killkillkillkillkillkillkillkillkillkillkillkillkillkillkillkillkillkillkillkillkillkillkillkillkillkillkillkillkillkillkillkillkillkillkillkillkillkillkill

Hover? I'll have you down faster than you can squeal if I was in a jet/AH.

That's what circle strafing is made for.

Very true. I meant circle strafing but I was all confused due to my anti-psychotic medication.

Pika-pika!

LOSER|Tearsofromance wrote:

somtimes it's the gunner, sometimes it's not! I had a gunner the other day that didn't know what the TV gun was. so i just rammed some guy with my chopper, lol.

Hey dipshit, why not tell him what it is and how to use it rather than being a stats-hungry arsehole?

People have got to start somewhere.

I've said it many times before, it's good to be polite and nice to other people in game because you will;

A) always have a better experience
B) be far more welcomed by those who've played with you
C) ultimately end up as a decent human being who gets a high KD and SPM
D) will not get called a cocksnap on this forum


Cocksnap.

Last edited by XstrangerdangerX (2006-05-05 20:21:37)

R0lyP0ly wrote:

hell yea marine; fuck you garden. who says the gunner shouldn't take YOU on a 2min trial to see if you can evade AA and hover for a split-second TV??? I Hate arrogant pilots who blame their misfortune on  a "noob" gunner. who made you god? why do you get to say "no, my $50 for this game was better than his $50, so i decide if HE'S good enough to fly with me"

I HATE PPL LIKE YOU SEXY IN GARDEN!

And your 10 hours and 200 kills in a heli gives you the right to say this?

Look, its frustrating to be shot down again and again by a gunner who doesn't know, but more importantly, wouldn't learn. Evading AA? How about a gunner who's intelligent enough to TAKE out AA on a pass? When i circle TV Station on SHarqi, I go an extra big round so the gunner can take out the AA and HMMNV as he has a HUGE FOV. But some gunners insist on pounding ONLY the roof. Sure this is good on flags like City Entrance, where i can strafe a lot tighter, but then when we get shot down (stuck on the wrong side of TV with the HMMNV and the AA shooting our asses and I CANNOT reach the rear of TV OR roll down fast enough), 'OMFG YOU NOOB PILOT FUCK YOU DONT TOUCH THE HELI'.

I derive extreme pleasure from knifing him in the face.

a fly wrote:

its let noob gunners gun sometimes if A) they have comment sence, they listen to tips i tell them. B) are nice, not demanding the gunner seat.

a chopper becomes heavyer(spelling?)  with gunner, it makes ALOT of difference, if you dont notice this you are not pushing your chopper to its limits! i prefer flying with a unskilled gunner in infantry maps (sharki is the only one i can think of now) then without, so i dont need to waste rockets on infantry. but if the other chopper has a good gunner and i dont, i rather have no gunner (in ah-1z). in the mec chopper i dont even takeoff without gunner anymore. unless i know the WHOLE team cant even shoot.

This by the way, is the greatest load of bullshit I've ever heard.

LOSER|Tearsofromance wrote:

Wow wow wow.

Excuse me, but his rank was not only Master Sergeant but half the time he wasen't firing the fucking cannon. It wasen't you so dont whine and bitch. And it's VERY difficult to explain to someone how to use it when your trying to fly with your mouse and keyboard. Please, think before you flame.

And refuses to join your squad so you can't VOIP him either. I feel you, its frustrating, but I can put up with someone who can't TV. Use the MG, i'll try my best to take out stuff with the missiles. But some fucktard who goes in and 'afk's in the gunnner's seat facing extreme right or left...

But my main gripe is: Gunners who don't fucking spot.

Larger POV than me, etc etc.

LOSER|Tearsofromance wrote:

XstrangerdangerX wrote:

LOSER|Tearsofromance wrote:

somtimes it's the gunner, sometimes it's not! I had a gunner the other day that didn't know what the TV gun was. so i just rammed some guy with my chopper, lol.

Hey dipshit, why not tell him what it is and how to use it rather than being a stats-hungry arsehole?

People have got to start somewhere.

I've said it many times before, it's good to be polite and nice to other people in game because you will;

A) always have a better experience
B) be far more welcomed by those who've played with you
C) ultimately end up as a decent human being who gets a high KD and SPM
D) will not get called a cocksnap on this forum


Cocksnap.

Wow wow wow.

Excuse me, but his rank was not only Master Sergeant but half the time he wasen't firing the fucking cannon. It wasen't you so dont whine and bitch. And it's VERY difficult to explain to someone how to use it when your trying to fly with your mouse and keyboard. Please, think before you flame.

I don't care what his rank is, take a look at blazin.uk, he's only got 4 hours in commander position, does that mean I have the right to kill him if he isn't doing his job properly in that position? Maybe he is distracted by something in real life.. maybe he's having keyboard problems, there's an endless list of things that may have gone wrong.. or maybe he's focussing on a ground target and not looking around properly. As far as I've seen rank doesn't mean shit, if a thousand monkey can type for a thousand years and produce shakespeare, they can also bloody well hit 20000 points in bf2.

And who needs to fly and type? Squad up and get on comms and talk him through it.

I don't like your attitude because it is very much about you and your stats. I love the stat system but it is very anti-teamplay. You personify this by your inability to care about another person experience. And don't tell me they don't care about yours, don't blame it on other people. You should always be asking youself what you can do better. The world doesn't owe you a thing.

polarbearz wrote:

a fly wrote:

its let noob gunners gun sometimes if A) they have comment sence, they listen to tips i tell them. B) are nice, not demanding the gunner seat.

a chopper becomes heavyer(spelling?)  with gunner, it makes ALOT of difference, if you dont notice this you are not pushing your chopper to its limits! i prefer flying with a unskilled gunner in infantry maps (sharki is the only one i can think of now) then without, so i dont need to waste rockets on infantry. but if the other chopper has a good gunner and i dont, i rather have no gunner (in ah-1z). in the mec chopper i dont even takeoff without gunner anymore. unless i know the WHOLE team cant even shoot.

This by the way, is the greatest load of bullshit I've ever heard.

oke, the difference is small, but its there. or its "in my mind" cause with gunner i drop more height with a barrol role.


and here is the bug i posted about, just ignore my frustration:P click here