JeSTeR_Player1
Flying Solo
+98|7246|Canada, Ont
TRUTH ABOUT KARKAND:

People love this map because you can get the most kills even if you have no skill at all, and with kills comes points making it the highest scoreing map for all players even for the noobies. But with many kills means alot of deaths which is why I hate this map because you can't avoid death because its almost impossible to avoid running into anouther player or being caught from behind (Partly the reason alot of Special Forces sucks [Getting shot in the Dark aswell])
I can understand how alot of people don't like Jets/Helicopters Interfering with Ground vs. Ground Combat which is a good reason to play Karkand but not every day and a constant basis, that just makes you a Point Whore and in truth, no good at the game. If you play one map all the time you will get really good at it but you still are not 'Good' if you step into anouther map and don't know which road goes where.

People obsess about points in this game, but for me, its about being the best I can be at everything in the game, That means every map, every kit and every vehicle. So if someone says "We need Support over here" I can do that... "We need a Jet Pilot" I can do that too...
Where alot of players can't hit anything with a Carbine or a PKM because all they know how to do is use the Assault Rifle/Grenade Launcher/Defibulators/Hand Grenades/Armor...

My first point is my strongest point and just incase you forgot it im going to restate it here.
Alot of people suck at this game, and Karkand is the only map they can get kills in by shooting people in the back, or shooting people while they are distracted.
You understand?
I dunno what tone this is comming off as but Im not complaining about this map, but I am simply stating fact.

I can tollerate 32 Player Karkand because it ends alot faster then 64 player Karkand, and doesn't become a Noob War over the 2 Bottlenecks between the Gatehouse and Train accident. Where both teams throw themselves at eachother for the whole rest of the round and almost never break through to capture anouther flag.

Karkand is hard to avoid...Almost any random server I go into thats not playing Karkand, goes to Karkand right after that map is over. So for most people, it becomes your favorit map without even playing 24/7 Karkand servers. It was my #1 map for a while before I made my best efforts to avoid it at every chance I got. I would change the next map on our Server to the one after Karkand to avoid playing it, because its Mindless Combat. Consistant and Actionpacked, but all the same Mindless and Repedative.

Factory is the most important Flag, If  the MEC Loses it, USMC will win if the players using the Armor know how to hang back and Spawn Kill while troops grab the flags (With a UAV Supported Army), they will be unchallanged (Most players drive armor right up into the flags surrounded by everything [Dumb]). So while 40% - 60% of the team is fighting at the hotel...without lookin at the map, starting to think "Where are all the USMC dudes, they stopped Comming". The whole Island is taken and its a bottleneck fight but the Hotel is still vulnerable to the Uncapables... USMC Wins again. But im sure you all know this, you play the map all the time but why do you still suck at it?

So im trying to think of more things to say about Karkand...ummm, People are Jelous when Jet Pilots and Helecopter Pilots get lots of points...they think its cheap. In truth they wish they were that good but don't see themselves ever being able to use thoes vehicles to the extent. "Your a hacker" "Come down here and fight like a man" "I could beat you if you were on foot". That sort of deal.

I like to think I know everything there is to know about this game. I don't want to get flamed for Claiming that I know everything. But im usally always right, and what I have put here does not apply to everyone, but does apply to the majority of the BattleField Community. So stop and think about what I have said.

***It won't kill you to play on a non-city map***

...Infact...you'll die alot less.

Thanks for your time,
                                See you on the Battlefield
                                                                          (Sorry for the random Caps, im Weird like that)
Dr_3V|L
Member
+51|7201|Twente, The Netherlands
I agree with almost everything that you said, well, everything I guess.
Sh1fty2k5
MacSwedish
+113|7186|Sweden
I have to disagree with one fact. I think mostly people play Karkand because its the most fun map of all. You dont have to transport urself 200 km and there arent any planes and choppers. Just pure action! I love it
dannydee223
Banned
+7|7048
ur point sucks in most ways because what you said about karkand happens in every map- getting shot in the back, shot while distracted etc- but karkand is pure action.

how can you be a point whore? the whole game is about getting points, you, my friend ,probably suck at getting them so therefore you moan at players that do, hence your sucki-ness.


sorry if i annoy you, its just how it is:)
chittydog
less busy
+586|7311|Kubra, Damn it!

You're mostly right. I never understood the appeal of Karkand. The only maps LESS fun than Karkand are Wake and Songhua.

The other thing I don't understand is why soooooo many people misspell it. Kirkand, Kirkland, Karkland, Karkan... It's not that hard, is it?
LT.Victim
Member
+1,175|7038|British Columbia, Canada
I agree, But i think that most people like Karkand because its one of the few maps that like a CS map. Close combat, not just because of the easy points and stuff
Homercide
Member
+21|7043
Errr...   Why do you complain so much about people who happens to like Karkand? It's just a free choice isn't it?
Homercide
Member
+21|7043
And by the way, those people scoring 100-1 in jets, usually suck at anything else too. Probably wouldn't survive past the spawnzone in karkand.
Capt. Foley
Member
+155|7063|Allentown, PA, USA
i think u ment 2km
cause that is the size of the maps im pretty sure
either 2000m or 2500m FROM SIDE TO SIDE
masterofflama
Member
+19|7060|European Battlefield Command

chittydog wrote:

You're mostly right. I never understood the appeal of Karkand. The only maps LESS fun than Karkand are Wake and Songhua.
I like wake and shongua and karkand, but i hate cleen sweep and oilfields
ShEpArD_oF_rOt
Member
+16|7042|Illinois
I don't like Karkand because of all the rifle whores. Just because you're good at shooting a rifle doesn't mean you're good at the game... Anyway, on a more serious note, did you ever stop to think that maybe some people think dying is fun? The only reason that I play this game is for the 15 seconds of peace that get while I'm constantly respawning. Yeah, I said I was gonna be serious but I lied. Karkand is deffinately not the map that I die the most on. That would have to go to Gulf of Oman and Wake for being constantly bombed and having arty dropped on my head while I'm defending flags. Maybe, just maybe people that play Karkand alot play it because they have fun doing it, and ultimately that is what the game is about. Everyone payed their $50 (probably) so let them play how they want to.  Also, Strike at Karkand is a pretty sweet name for a map. Maps like FuShe Pass and Songhua Stalemate just sound so blah.
G3|Genius
Pope of BF2s
+355|7102|Sea to globally-cooled sea
sh1fty is right.  I play it the most because it's the most condensed fun.  and contrary to popular opinion, there is a place for every kit on that map.  I've gotten mad kills as sniper, you just need to know where to go in what situation.

Why would you harp on Karkand if it's obviously the best map?  When I say obvious, it's not a matter of my opinion.  It's a matter of, it is the singularly most played map.

The servers do not determine which maps are the best.  the people who play in the servers determine which maps are the best.  If I'm paying 90 bucks a month for a server, I'm goign to want people in it.  I may think Dragon Valley is the only map worth playing, but if no one else plays Dragon Valley 24/7, I will always have an empty server.  Karkand servers fill up.

Have you ever had a round on sharqi where you just can't get anywhere without being spawn raped by the chopper?  it SUCKS.  It's nice to be able to retreat to a map where you know you will be able to do something other than sit for 15 seconds staring at YOU WILL RESPAWN IN 15...14...etc...

Another reason why Karkand is fun is because there isn't the same hostility for tanks as there is for choppers/planes.  People will shamelessly tk for air assets, and that pisses me off.

I have read someone actually proposing to remove karkand from the list of ranked servers.  IF you don't like the map, DON'T PLAY IT!!  there are plenty of other maps!  My favorites include Wake, Sharqi, and even Mashtuur occasionally.  Kuber Dam isn't bad either, although I haven't played it in months.

I think the bottom line is, there are three types of people who play BF2.  Some people play this game to have fun, some people play this game to develop skills, and some people play this game for shtatsh.

I play this game for fun.  True, I like seeing my stats increase, and true, I like seeing myself improve, but the bottom line is, if it's not fun, I won't do it.  Karkand is most fun, to me.  That is why most of my hours are on karkand. 

I think you will find that Karkand whores are just like lawyers.  1% ruins the reputation of the other 99%.  Most people play to have fun.  It's just a few pricks that give every karkand lover a bad rap.

I toast to Karkand, and to those who play it.  huzzah!
Claudius8110
Member
+-1|7120|Forked River, NJ
It is the best map because you don't have to deal with the nonsense from the air.  Bottom line.
meowmix4jo
Member
+5|7060
karkand kicks ass and i payed like $80 for BF2+SF so ill play w/e the hell map i want to, although Wake kicks ass too(that is if you can get off the essex)
M1-Lightning
Jeepers Creepers
+136|7207|Peoria, Illinois

JeSTeR_Player1 wrote:

TRUTH ABOUT KARKAND:

People love this map because you can get the most kills even if you have no skill at all, and with kills comes points making it the highest scoreing map for all players even for the noobies.
I disagree. First off, you can't speak for "people". You can only give your own opinion that this map gets you the most kills and points and makes you feel like a noob.

Secondly, my own opinion is that this map is more fun than the big air maps because it doesn't take me ten minutes to get to the next flag when all of the vehicles are taken. Walking is booooring.

To break down the maps:

There isn't a plane and tank for every player on Zatar Wetlands so someone has to walk and someone has to be the victim of bombs and tank rounds. It's not fun unless you have a high quality vehicle like a jet or tank. Zatar Wetlands and Daqing Oilfields would be a blast if they spawned 3-4 tanks and an attack heli on every flag. But they don't and players get the crap bombed out of them constantly trying to drive a jeep or hoof it somewhere. Add some more tanks and attack helis and more flags to shorten the distance between them and you'll have a couple of fun maps.

Dalian and Oman have uncaps on ships that usually lead to baseraping for the US (include Wake on this). Being the victim of baseraping is not fun. All it takes is for the MEC/China to have good jet pilots and the US boats will never have a chance to make it to shore. Since both the J10 and MIG have supreme advantage over the F35, they really don't need anything more than amateur pilots. If the US doesn't get/keep a flag on land, the MEC will artillery, bomb and TV missile the crap out of the carrier. Joy!. Include an uncap on shore for the US, add some more tanks and attack choppers and you'll have a couple of fun maps there.

Wake, Dragon Valley, Clean Sweep, and Kubra Dam suck because the airfields are cappable for MEC/China. When a server only has 10-16 players, the airfield gets capped and then it becomes a one-sided jet/chopper pointfarm. When the server is full, then they can actually be fun maps at times... untill the airfield gets taken. Add more tanks and attack helis and uncap the airfields and you'll have some fun maps there.

Songhua Stalemate sucks. No explanation necessary. Great for farming teampoints though, going in a big circle for hours capping flags with your APC squad. yay

Copy Karkand and put it smack dab on the middle of Zatar Wetlands and call it Karkand Wetlands and then that air map might actually be fun.
chittydog
less busy
+586|7311|Kubra, Damn it!

G3|Genius wrote:

Why would you harp on Karkand if it's obviously the best map?  When I say obvious, it's not a matter of my opinion.  It's a matter of, it is the singularly most played map.
Most played means most played, not necessarily best. I don't think you can measure best, cuz it's just a matter of opinion. I never join a server that's already on it, but I won't leave one that rotates to it. Everyone wants something different.

G3|Genius wrote:

I have read someone actually proposing to remove karkand from the list of ranked servers.  IF you don't like the map, DON'T PLAY IT!!  there are plenty of other maps!
Good call. +1 for you. People shouldn't ruin the game for others just cuz they don't like.
FFLink
There is.
+1,380|7167|Devon, England
so your saying it takes no skill to play on karkand? i disagree completely, with almost everything you said
bobroonie.bda
Member
+143|7157
What up Jester,

First and for most I have played with Jester alot and will back him up on the fact that he is a good all round player.

As for Karkand I agree with alot of your points. People dont like to play with jets or helo's in the air for the most part. I have looked at alot of stats from people on this site and the majority of the guys that only play Karkand do suck as infantry. Funny as that may be but it is true.. And i dont care what you say about stats dont mean shit blah blah blah, stats gives you a basis to compare a few things which will give you a good generalization on how that guy plays.

True everyone paid money so they can do what they want ie play 1 map, TK for jets, Tk for any reason, blow up there own assets, do any dumb thing they can think of just because they paid for the game. But some people like to "think" there good players. Which might be the case for a select few that only play karkand. But you get those guys on say Gulf of Oman or D Plant and its a different story. Or how about Shongua Stalemate how many of you just hate this map? Tell me you have as good of strats as me on that one, shit some of you dont even play it. What it comes down to is there are people that play every map, only have 1 account dont switch to the winning team can play any kit and use any vechile. And these guys are just better at the game in general then the guys that only play karkand. I would much rather have a well rounded player on my team then a guy that "thinks" he's great at infantry with a kdr of 1.5 on karkand. Because money bets he's going to suck with jets and helo's in the air. But if you get guys that have been playing infantry since day 1 of BF2 that have played with jets and helo's its extremely hard for anyone on any map with any armor or jet to kill him. which makes him a way better infantry on any map.

People come on these sites and forums for a few reasons. 1 of which being to check new things get ideas on strats, but most importantly to show off stats and see how good they are compared to others. And in my opinion as one of the best in the world at spec ops and infantry on any map.. yes I said it... I do not give respect to anyone that only plays on karkand. I dont care how many of those little points you have or how you got them.. when it comes down to it they are 1 dimensional. Most people that only play karkand are cannon fotter.

You want to see what a well rounded players stats look like

http://bf2s.com/player/45628790/

Last edited by bobroonie.bda (2006-05-10 13:26:50)

JeSTeR_Player1
Flying Solo
+98|7246|Canada, Ont
Close this Thread Right now, This Forum is full of Retards.

Try reading the original Post and not the most recent post to make comment on.

This is not about what map is best or what map you should play on. Its about:
***WHY MOST PEOPLE PLAY KARKAND***

If you fail to understand the message, don't even comment.

I never said Karkand Sucked, I only said that I DON'T LIKE IT.

People play it for the fast action, same reason there are 24/7 Office / 24/7 Dust servers all over Counter Strike.

-1 to anyone who spends 50% or more of their Global Playing time on Karkand.
herrr_smity
Member
+156|7103|space command ur anus
dragon valley 4 live
LordDragonclaw
RPK-74 Whore
+26|7058
I like karkand, not because I got alot of kills because I get more kills on wake island most of the time but because I get alot of team points as medic and support there.
Dr_3V|L
Member
+51|7201|Twente, The Netherlands

JeSTeR_Player1 wrote:

Close this Thread Right now, This Forum is full of Retards.

Try reading the original Post and not the most recent post to make comment on.

This is not about what map is best or what map you should play on. Its about:
***WHY MOST PEOPLE PLAY KARKAND***

If you fail to understand the message, don't even comment.

I never said Karkand Sucked, I only said that I DON'T LIKE IT.

People play it for the fast action, same reason there are 24/7 Office / 24/7 Dust servers all over Counter Strike.

-1 to anyone who spends 50% or more of their Global Playing time on Karkand.
Too bad you made this thread to give -1 to people who understood your meaning, even if they have more than 50% of their playtime in karkand. Now I have to give you -1 for being an asshat, sorry.
(Ah well, Karma doesn't mean anything does it. Just like your stats.)
Des.Kmal
Member
+917|7094|Atlanta, Georgia, USA
I friggin hate choppers, but that is because I cant fdly them and I die from them alot. Lol, I really never have played BF2 vanilla at all in the first place, I only play SF... I dont know why...

Really, I think I might not even have trwo hours, I may be wrong though.

Karkand was never really my thing, that was in the beginning, now I havent really played it, but the way you guys are describing it, it is a ground pounders paradise, and I think it is perfect for me.

Here are my BF2 Vanilla stats, dont think I stink, (partly I do, but still... I just dont play good on BF2 vanilla)

And I dont think I have played a full round yet on a BF2 vanilla map.

Kubra Dam   00:21:22   1  1 1.00  15 [2 games total]
Gulf of Oman 00:16:22   1 0 0.00  5 [1 game total]
Wake Island 2007 00:16:20   1 1 1.00 10 [2games total]
Strike at Karkand 00:15:46   2 2 1.00 15   [4 games total]

Wow, lol, but seriously, check my SF stats.

Last edited by Kmal1 (2006-05-10 13:29:57)

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M1-Lightning
Jeepers Creepers
+136|7207|Peoria, Illinois

bobroonie.bda wrote:

You want to see what a well rounded players stats look like

http://bf2s.com/player/45628790/
Ha. You call using armor and spec ops all the time well rounded? You can't even fly a jet or helo and you're putting down other players for not being skilled in other areas?
l41e
Member
+677|7124

"Karkand Facts"
"I only said that I DON'T LIKE IT."

Hmm.

If you don't like Karkand don't fucking play it and don't whine on the forums.

Okeyday?

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