BF2S Forums Sigh, question for the "realism"

Who cares about prone spamming? This game is NERFED ENOUGH ALREADY! Quit whining and AIM! Cannot hit jumping target? Play CS or AA.  BF2 is a FPS game. In every fps game you use any tactic to avoid being shot. I hate when people say "ozm, prone spamming noob" and then you meet them, and they are jumping around the corner.

About realism, I would like to see how people will act if someone tries to shoot them IRL... Will they stand still and die? No. Will they jump around corners, go prone, run, crouch to save their lives(move as best as they can with ammunition on their back)? Yes.
If you desire realism that much, you can join the real ARMY.

How do not you understand that by patching and nerfing the game you are taking away your fun.

Last edited by Dr.Battlefield (2006-05-12 08:26:21)

The game is F***** up enough already
So stop those bloody threads
NERF THIS EA , NERF THAT EA!

*ToRRo*cT| wrote:

The game is F***** up enough already
So stop those bloody threads
NERF THIS EA , NERF THAT EA!

lol... for the army thing, if i lag out in the army im dead! i mean i even heard theres no respawn points? wtf is wrong w/ that?

btw, u can dolphin dive in real life. nearly every soldier can

Nyte wrote:

I want people like [noob]Tyler etc etc to answer these question because they choose to seek the oh-so-wonderful experience of realistic modern day warfare in a virtual game.

I don't think the issue is "realism" ... the issue is a "fair gun fight".  Using the prone-spamming exploit, you have the ability to shoot while being perfectly defended & mostly invisible ... not much different than being inside the walls of the hotel at Karkand.

I hate getting killed like everyone else, but I can accept it a little better if I had at least an opportunity to kill the other guy ... or at least see him.   

OrangeHound wrote:

I don't think the issue is "realism" ... the issue is a "fair gun fight".  Using the prone-spamming exploit, you have the ability to shoot while being perfectly defended & mostly invisible ... not much different than being inside the walls of the hotel at Karkand.

I hate getting killed like everyone else, but I can accept it a little better if I had at least an opportunity to kill the other guy ... or at least see him.   

Eh? It's a game, it's not meant to be fair. In any other fps you'd be expected to do anything you can to give yourself an advantage, why just because a few real countries / semi-real weapons are in the game does everyone suddenly want everything to be 'fair'.
In real life the battlefields sure as hell aren't even, and you wouldn't want to give the other person as much chance to shoot you, unless you were suicidal.

Wait you guys still jump or "bunny hop" when being shot at? haha you do realize you cant fire your weapon while jumping right? of course you do, so why do it? In some cases if the enemy is far away and your trying to reach cover its understandable but if your in the open or engaged in close combat its not the "best" tactic to use. In fact i actually love it when my enemy starts jumping all over the place gives me a few more seconds with out being fired upon. I dont think its a kick or banable offense thats just admins using there so called power. In all honesty when i engage a jumping target 2 things happen. 1 i lose all respect for my enemy, because well you look stupid and scared. 2 your going to die 90% of the time, not being able to fire while jumping gives me the 1 or 2 seconds i need to kill you while you cant fire.. its not a usefull tactic against guys that actually aim.

Nyte wrote:

After 4 more kicks for "prone-spamming/bunny hopping", I post to ask the following questions for those that seek "realism" in this "non-realistic" game.

How many jumps am I allowed to be considered NOT bunny hopping?

How many prones am I allowed to be considered NOT prone spamming?

How much am I allowed to move without being accused of "move spamming"?


I want people like [noob]Tyler etc etc to answer these question because they choose to seek the oh-so-wonderful experience of realistic modern day warfare in a virtual game.

I would post up screenshots of the 17 people that flamed me incessantly for the above actions but I choose not to (I'll post up screenshots with the usernames blurred out if need be).  But for the record, 14 of those people were Staff Sergeants or less, while 3 were 2nd LT.'s and up.

Who wants realism in a game, when one can have it outside? Games aren't meant for realism, but for fun

rh27 wrote:

Eh? It's a game, it's not meant to be fair. In any other fps you'd be expected to do anything you can to give yourself an advantage, why just because a few real countries / semi-real weapons are in the game does everyone suddenly want everything to be 'fair'.
In real life the battlefields sure as hell aren't even, and you wouldn't want to give the other person as much chance to shoot you, unless you were suicidal.

"Fair gun fight" is an American expression that means both sides have some opportunity to win the confrontation, it doesn't necessarily mean that both sides are equal.

In a FPS, none of us run away like little girls when we take the first hit that knocks us down a few bars.  We quickly turn to the point of attack to confront the hostile ... but in this case, the hostile will never be seen EVEN WHEN HE SHOOTS ... there is no opportunity to win this confrontation, and (unless you are like a little girl and run), you will die.  This is why the hotel exploit was so hated ... sure, it was taking advantage of a situation, but it was simply not a "fair gun fight."

Note:  if I take a hit and notice I went from full health to two bars, then I know a sniper has me zeroed, and I will indeed "run like a little girl" for cover. 

Last edited by OrangeHound (2006-05-12 09:28:32)

OrangeHound wrote:

I don't think the issue is "realism" ... the issue is a "fair gun fight".  Using the prone-spamming exploit, you have the ability to shoot while being perfectly defended & mostly invisible ... not much different than being inside the walls of the hotel at Karkand.

I hate getting killed like everyone else, but I can accept it a little better if I had at least an opportunity to kill the other guy ... or at least see him.   

Yeah, thats exactly my opinion!

I dont use bunny hopping or prone spamming cause its not the way i mean to play. These guys make me always laugh when they jumping like retards to "save" their lifes... But I dont complain about it, cause maybe they will own people but they will never get respect...

To prevent my self in battle I use tactic, my aiming ability and play with my buddies. That owns most!

It's their problem if they can't get you when you do this.... I don't see it as much since 1.21, simply because you gain so little advantage doing it...

Last edited by Buzerk1 (2006-05-12 09:49:52)

bobroonie.bda wrote:

hold on are you guys saying that if your hiding behind a wall stand fire 1 or 2 shots go prone and repeat is a exploit or cheap tactic?

It is a little more than that.  Using Nyte's own words:  "The secret is that the way the game is programmed, the enemy will still see you laying prone but in actuality, your crosshairs act much faster than your animation.  Where would you use this?  Behind any object is preferable, the enemy will NEVER see you actually get up, but you will see the enemy because YOUR screen moves faster than the mentioned animation."

And, then Nyte goes on to compare it to "C4 tossing, bunny hopping, dolphin diving"

So, if you consider these things to be exploits or a cheap tactic, then the answer is yes.  If you consider these to be "techniques for an advantage" then I guess the answer is no.

Obviously, EA considers them to be exploits or they wouldn't have nerfed them.

This is what i dont understand.. i have never had a problem with any and i do mean any "exploit" in the game.. whether it be dolphin diving, prone spamming, bunny hopping. nothing.. I have not run into any situation where i felt "cheated". Why is it most other people have issues with these tactics? I have never ran into some i couldnt kill. sure i might die but but on the same note i "could" have killed him he just got the better of me that time. All these complaints just add up to people pretty much sucking at the game and are looking for reasons to make the game easier for them.

If you dont want people to use tactics to there advantage go play battlefield 1812, so you can all just line up like the british and shoot at eachother.. this game is guerilla warfare or unorthodox battles. If they can kill you you can kill them.. you might not be good enough to but there are alot of us that are. If there behind a wall and you dont have the skill to shoot them throw a fucking gernade. If you dont know there there thats your fault.. i have never been shot at by an invisible person. if they are "prone spamming" you will be able to see them if not for half a second.. but you can see them.. I dont know guys im just sick of all the damn crying / complaining when its other peoples skill thats the real problem.