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switchbladezz wrote:

I have seen a few people in this thread say that the F-35 doesn't handle well with high alt and I am inclined to completely disagree with that. When that jets gets around 650 it dominates, I will have perfect control and i will be going speeds upwards of 2000 MPH. If you say the F-35 doesn't handle well with heights then you needs to stop whoring the J-10 in wake and try out the F-35. I have gotten upwards of 100 points in the f-35 with no deaths and without capping the airbase for the whole round, you just need to know how to oush the jet almost to its limits and keep it there.

I try my best, but some people make me cry

I've brought a J-10 up to about 5,000m... Or maybe it was 2,000, but it manages a LOT higher than a F-35B. My advice - press on the backpedal, that way you slow and stop and you won't go out of bounds (works on wake for me at least) also use the map to help stay on course, you can tell which way your jet is facing. If nothing else, at that height  you can HALO anywhere on the map practically, so there won't be any swimming.

switchbladezz wrote:

[CANADA]_Zenmaster wrote:

switchbladezz wrote:

I have seen a few people in this thread say that the F-35 doesn't handle well with high alt and I am inclined to completely disagree with that. When that jets gets around 650 it dominates, I will have perfect control and i will be going speeds upwards of 2000 MPH. If you say the F-35 doesn't handle well with heights then you needs to stop whoring the J-10 in wake and try out the F-35. I have gotten upwards of 100 points in the f-35 with no deaths and without capping the airbase for the whole round, you just need to know how to oush the jet almost to its limits and keep it there.

I try my best, but some people make me cry

You must be a hardcore j-10 whore if you have 14k kills with jets and you dont agree with me.

Yea I'm a total idiot when it comes to flying - I totally forgot you are right and the legions of experienced pilots are wrong (except you!).

The F35 dominates at 650? Against what? A bomber?

Even though it looses ceiling control at 900ft, and already at 700ft its loop radius increases and increases?

You can't even execute an immelman at 700ft in an F35 without loosing control in the top stroke, where you will be shot down by a Mig, a J10, or a stolen F18 - all whose ceilings are 300-500 ft higher (J10 can pull through a 1300 with bare control loss, Mig about 1100 and an F18 1200ish). This leaves your options as going down from 650ft - you can't go up or you will loose some control...but now your enemy only has to keep track of you in the 400-650ft. range, as anything below and you are too easy to see, but anything above and you loose control. A very limited window for a very limited plane when it comes to dog fighting.

I can't believe anyone would argue the "flying coffin" (one of my favorite things I heard on this forum) is actually good at dog fighting at any altitude. It may have a high velocity at reasonable altitudes (short term mind you), but it is gibbled by a horrible turn and loop radius, especially the higher it gets and majorly crimped by its weak 10second afterburn. Nevermind it only dodges 50% of missles launched at it with flares out. No flares, and you are meat pasties!

Maybe your the only aviator on the entire forum that would argue the F35 dominates at 650ft. I'd love to see some videos of its domination...at best the F35 can just survive certain death at high altitudes by evading the enemy, definetly not total domination.

The F35 is best suited at bombing and scampering from enemy jets at the earliest opportunity. It can perform well on any map, provided the enemy pilots are grounded or suck. Nothing prevents it from bombing or owning helicopters if the enemy jets are out of the picture, that said, you aren't going to find enemy anything at 650ft but other jets that will light you up like a christmas tree.

By the way, you imply that people who fly the J10s have never tried out the F-35s? False conclusion.

You got 100 points on wake and no deaths in an F35? I'm sure all of that was 650ft domination? ...Right, that is irrelevant to your attempt at concluding the F35 owns at 650 ft. Not only were you not dominating all those points at 650 ft. if you had any reasonable pilots on the other team, you would not have 0 deaths.

If I have 14k kills and I don't agree with you I'm a J10 whore? What school taught you logic? Logic says if I have 14k kills I'm semi-competant on the subject of aviator combat in BF2, not that my opinion has to agree with you else I am a J10 whore (who has never flown the F35).

Furthermore, there are plenty more people with many more hours in jets and higher KD then me - you don't have to fly forever in BF2 or have the highest KD on earth to know what you are talking about. The fact that so many people feel the F35 is a death box says something. I'm sure you'd suggest we all fly at 650 ft. and then we'd totally dominate though!

Last edited by [CANADA]_Zenmaster (2006-05-17 18:16:49)

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<{SoE}>Agamemnar wrote:

[CANADA]_Zenmaster wrote:

Mekstizzle wrote:

Also the F35 loses control at a much lower altitude from the other planes, so a J10 or MiG can go high when an F35 is on it's tail and shake it becuase the F35 will most likely lose control. I mean ok, in real life the US planes are probably the best, and DICE probably have some grudge against America. But who cares? Can't there just be a game where the sides are balanced? After all, it's a game. Not real life..

Canada's revenge

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Haha stupid Americans.

this is aboot liberty, this is aboot democracy!

thats right, all canadians have square heads

[CANADA]_Zenmaster wrote:

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haha nice one

switchbladezz wrote:

I have seen a few people in this thread say that the F-35 doesn't handle well with high alt and I am inclined to completely disagree with that. When that jets gets around 650 it dominates, I will have perfect control and i will be going speeds upwards of 2000 MPH. If you say the F-35 doesn't handle well with heights then you needs to stop whoring the J-10 in wake and try out the F-35. I have gotten upwards of 100 points in the f-35 with no deaths and without capping the airbase for the whole round, you just need to know how to oush the jet almost to its limits and keep it there.

Aggreed, the F35 does perform well at height, remeber the aircraft in the game are in knots, so 2000mph is not out of the question. This is essentialy my Wake strategy.

+1

P.S. Do you guys ever experience a "shaking/vibrating" when flying the j-10? Its like frickin all over. It makes that vulcan cannon so useless....

And Zen, your not one of those team switchers on Wake that try and fly the J-10 every time are you???

Last edited by the_outsider38 (2006-05-19 01:22:06)

I'm amazed at all these people that think that flying up high to 700 feet is an effective move. I have seen several players try to pull it on me and they've all been dead before getting anywhere near high altitudes. Sheesh, learn to have dogfights!

/misses 1.12

the_outsider38 wrote:

switchbladezz wrote:

I have seen a few people in this thread say that the F-35 doesn't handle well with high alt and I am inclined to completely disagree with that. When that jets gets around 650 it dominates, I will have perfect control and i will be going speeds upwards of 2000 MPH. If you say the F-35 doesn't handle well with heights then you needs to stop whoring the J-10 in wake and try out the F-35. I have gotten upwards of 100 points in the f-35 with no deaths and without capping the airbase for the whole round, you just need to know how to oush the jet almost to its limits and keep it there.

Aggreed, the F35 does perform well at height, remeber the aircraft in the game are in knots, so 2000mph is not out of the question. This is essentialy my Wake strategy.

+1

P.S. Do you guys ever experience a "shaking/vibrating" when flying the j-10? Its like frickin all over. It makes that vulcan cannon so useless....

And Zen, your not one of those team switchers on Wake that try and fly the J-10 every time are you???

No, but I wouldn't take an F35 on wake over and over - I'd take the blackhawk and pilot for my friend who would minigun the shit out of China. We'd cap airfield and then destroy the rest of the flags. I was engineer and he was a medic on the gun - I'd swap to rear seat and wrench when needed and let the hawk circle on its own. You can quickly swap into pilot and adjust real quick, then back to wrench. It was a dominant strategy, and it only took two people for USMC to win on Wake. I played all my wake on a server that swapped teams every round, so my W:L includes playing both sides regularly.

If I did take an F35 I would focus on bombing, but I would not spawn camp the Airfield to keep the J10s down. If I was on China and the F35s elected to spawn camp, I would rape them back to the carrier and keep them there for ten minutes. I would then say in global chat, you can stop spawn camping the Airfield, or I will keep you here for the rest of the game. Some would lip off and disconnect, and some would yield and play nicely. I would not spawn camp the carrier in the J10 on purpose ever; I always turn back over the little island. Anything entering that Island airspace is my target though, no doubt about that.

So that said I know all about the F35 and how to effectively use it given its limited fighter combat ability. Spawn camping is still out for me though I get really pissed off because it is so easy to do and yes you can argue its a fair tactic, but if you do it, I'll be out for vengeance you can be guaranteed.

Anyway, I stopped flying in 1.13, I got bored and wanted to play Sharqi 24/7 because I enjoy foot combat too. Been playing there for several months now, and have little interest in flying jets anymore as it is too easy/boring. Choppers are more fun with a buddy though.

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As for the J10 shaking - it shakes if you are too used to flying the F35b. You will accomdate to it when you are used to the J10s faster turns and maneuvers. Try flying the J10 a bunch, then go back to the F35 and you will think the F35 shakes. The J10 cannon isn't useless at all, its extremely accurate, and you can watch some of my fraps videos if you don't believe my words.

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Just wanted to say that an F35 can't ambush a J10 from any height or maneuver, unless the J10 pilot is a total moron. It would only work against rook pilots who don't know what they are doing and have 0 awareness - once again the F35 does not have a consistantly effective engagement strategy vs. a J10 with even a decent pilot. In the current system the F35 will always be the mouse, and the Essex dual vulcans have 8x the teeth an F35 has, so it is better to just bring the J10 along for the ride until they get greedy and your teammates can shoot them down for you.

Last edited by [CANADA]_Zenmaster (2006-05-19 13:04:05)

<{SoE}>Agamemnar wrote:

[CANADA]_Zenmaster wrote:

Mekstizzle wrote:

Also the F35 loses control at a much lower altitude from the other planes, so a J10 or MiG can go high when an F35 is on it's tail and shake it becuase the F35 will most likely lose control. I mean ok, in real life the US planes are probably the best, and DICE probably have some grudge against America. But who cares? Can't there just be a game where the sides are balanced? After all, it's a game. Not real life..

Canada's revenge

http://usvscan.ytmnsfw.com/

Haha stupid Americans.

you are hardly a great advert for canada