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2006-05-17 14:07:09
genius_man16
Platinum Star whore
+365|7158|Middle of nowhere
Ok, yes i've searched, and yes i looked through the topics, but i didn't find the idea that i had, so here goes

ok, so i know that there are a hell of a lot of people (most people) that hate the -4 points for TK b/c it kills their score and 99% of the time it's an accident.  BUT, there isn't much to do b/c 99% of these people understand that EA/DICE put it there to discourage TKing

now my "solution" is to do this.  Change the negative point total based on the number of TK's per round (or time on server?)

First TK: -1
Second TK: -2
Third TK: -3
Fourth & additional TK's: -4


maybe a little tweaking to the scale (that's where i need help. What do you guys think is fair?) but i think you get what i'm saying

less points for few TK's, but people who just TK spam on servers will still get lots of negative points.


what do you guys think? i know BF2 for PS2 has this scale and it works out fine. So why not do it here?
2006-05-17 14:09:04
notorious
Nay vee, bay bee.
+1,396|7227|The United Center
possibly make it an exponential value?

first is -2, then -4, then -8...

the only problem i see with this is say youre flying a full blackhawk and you lag, killing everyone.  you'd get -2 for a suicide, then -2, -4, -8, -16, -32.
2006-05-17 14:10:49
eMarine
Gorgonnash PVP
+119|7324|Sacramento, Cal

ThomasMorgan wrote:

possibly make it an exponential value?

first is -2, then -4, then -8...

the only problem i see with this is say youre flying a full blackhawk and you lag, killing everyone.  you'd get -2 for a suicide, then -2, -4, -8, -16, -32.
Ouch!
2006-05-17 14:11:11
THA
im a fucking .....well not now
+609|7250|AUS, Canberra
americas army takes into account if it was an accident or not when giving negative points for tk'ing.

from my experience it seems to work pretty well too, if a team mate runs across when you are firing you lose small amount but if you go up and shoot them in the face you get shipped off to prison.
2006-05-17 14:17:51
max
Vela Incident
+1,652|7047|NYC / Hamburg

the_heart_attack wrote:

... but if you go up and shoot them in the face you get shipped off to prison.
especially if you kill the instructor in the training
once upon a midnight dreary, while i pron surfed, weak and weary, over many a strange and spurious site of ' hot  xxx galore'. While i clicked my fav'rite bookmark, suddenly there came a warning, and my heart was filled with mourning, mourning for my dear amour, " 'Tis not possible!", i muttered, " give me back my free hardcore!"..... quoth the server, 404.
2006-05-17 14:20:35
notorious
Nay vee, bay bee.
+1,396|7227|The United Center
hey THA, remember that time we played wake together and i shot you in the face?

because i do.

yeah.
2006-05-17 14:21:06
Slashed06
Member
+44|7037
Yeh i agree with that i was in a chopper earlier. Someone was in a US Humby i started shooting he got out and by the time i realised boom he was dead. -4. I thought it was harsh. Cuz most of the time there complete accidents.
2006-05-17 14:36:10
genius_man16
Platinum Star whore
+365|7158|Middle of nowhere

ThomasMorgan wrote:

possibly make it an exponential value?

first is -2, then -4, then -8...

the only problem i see with this is say youre flying a full blackhawk and you lag, killing everyone.  you'd get -2 for a suicide, then -2, -4, -8, -16, -32.
i don't think it should be that bad

but maybe something like

-2, -3, -4, -6?

or something like that

any other possible suggestions?
2006-05-17 14:39:31
joemah
Member
+6|7222
The person who got tk'ed shoudl decide whether or not the tk'er gets negative points or not.
2006-05-17 14:41:25
genius_man16
Platinum Star whore
+365|7158|Middle of nowhere

joemah wrote:

The person who got tk'ed shoudl decide whether or not the tk'er gets negative points or not.
ooor.......... not


that still leaves the problem of n00bs who punish for TK's when it was an accident... the whole point of this was to eleiviate some of that problem
2006-05-17 15:58:24
Yeticus Rex
Destroyer of Penguins
+29|7139|SoCal

genius_man16 wrote:

joemah wrote:

The person who got tk'ed shoudl decide whether or not the tk'er gets negative points or not.
ooor.......... not


that still leaves the problem of n00bs who punish for TK's when it was an accident... the whole point of this was to eleiviate some of that problem
Then any player who is under some arbitrary amount of points will not have the option to punish.  How about setting the threshhold at Staff Sargeant (5000 pts.) before they are given the option to punish?
2006-05-17 16:05:03
genius_man16
Platinum Star whore
+365|7158|Middle of nowhere
well, that would help a lot i agree

but i've seen Captains that acted like n00bs, so it wouldn't help everything

i just dont' think that whether your punished or forgiven should have any effect on how many points are lost
2006-05-17 16:15:54
The_Mob_Returns
Member
+72|7202|Indianapolis, IN
I get punished for nearly every tk I commit and only one was on purpose.  I am usually in a tank or apc and a teammate will jump out in front.  But when I get tk'ed I will forgive 99% of the time unless it was blatant.

Now for a scale: -1, -2, -3, -4 + kick
In all honesty, who tk's more than 4 times in a round?
2006-05-17 16:16:23
JG1567JG
Member
+110|7068|United States of America
All the punish is used for is to boot TK'ers off the server.  If a person is punished so many times then it can be set to auto kick the player.  The punish has no effect on your score.
2006-05-17 16:22:46
Yeticus Rex
Destroyer of Penguins
+29|7139|SoCal

genius_man16 wrote:

well, that would help a lot i agree

but i've seen Captains that acted like n00bs, so it wouldn't help everything

i just dont' think that whether your punished or forgiven should have any effect on how many points are lost
Well, also implement something akin to a karma system where you could only punish somebody if and only if you have a record of forgiving more times than punishing......once you punish more than you forgive, then you automatically forgive some x times before you are given a choice again.

I usually forgive unless it was pretty blatant on their part, or I was the dummy who got myself killed.  Others would start following my standards pretty quickly if this system was in place.
2006-05-17 17:23:09
genius_man16
Platinum Star whore
+365|7158|Middle of nowhere

The_Mob_Returns wrote:

I get punished for nearly every tk I commit and only one was on purpose.  I am usually in a tank or apc and a teammate will jump out in front.  But when I get tk'ed I will forgive 99% of the time unless it was blatant.

Now for a scale: -1, -2, -3, -4 + kick
In all honesty, who tk's more than 4 times in a round?
that's basically all my TK's right there too... and i HATE it!


Yeticus Rex wrote:

genius_man16 wrote:

well, that would help a lot i agree

but i've seen Captains that acted like n00bs, so it wouldn't help everything

i just dont' think that whether your punished or forgiven should have any effect on how many points are lost
Well, also implement something akin to a karma system where you could only punish somebody if and only if you have a record of forgiving more times than punishing......once you punish more than you forgive, then you automatically forgive some x times before you are given a choice again.

I usually forgive unless it was pretty blatant on their part, or I was the dummy who got myself killed.  Others would start following my standards pretty quickly if this system was in place.
that sounds like a good idea, but i still don't think that it should effect your points.  However, it does sound like a good idea.

i punish if i was killed by a friendly Airplane or Chopper (i hate air stuff... it may be dumb, but it's how i roll), other than that i forgive, unless it's blatant of course
2006-05-17 21:52:53
DrunkFace
Germans did 911
+427|7161|Disaster Free Zone
The one thing i dont like is the Team dmg then team kill, so you lose 6 points instead of just 4, or the Team vechile dmg and kills if someone rams you. So i would make it that you either get Team dmg or team kill never both, and that you cant get team vechile dmg or a team kill in a vechile unless you shoot. (then again this cause too many problems with asshole exploiting by parking a tank on runways, driving over people etc, so you cant change that). Theres just too many noobs and complete assholes to have a perfect system,  anything you do will and can be exploited for some unhappy people (usually the honest respected fair people), and the asshole will always find a way to ruin the fun for others beause it its justin there nature to be an asshole.

When it comes to punishing or not, it all depends on the situation.
-If i they have purposfully killed me is a definate punish even if they say "sorry".
-A TK for a vechile is a puish + kick vote.
-If was a genuine accident a forgive.
-If it was my fault in anyway, eg running over mines/claymores, infornt of them (always acidental on my part), i forgive and sometimes if time permits a writen apology because i know its hurt there score because of my stupdity.
-If im killed and revived by that person i always forgive
-If someone accidently Tk's me but did it in a way that was lazy, eg throw grenade at group of enemys which im near, instead of changeing to gun then ill punish, I cant stand lazyness, if your cant be bothered to help me/care what hapens to me then FUCK you.
-Getting run over. IF i step out of an alley way and give them no time to stop, ill forgive, But if ive been on the road for a while and they make no effort to stop then ill punish.
-If a plane/chopper kills me because they just bombard area and dont care whos there, then punish, MAKE SURE YOU KNOW WHAT YOUR BOMBING!!
-In short if it was my fault or they made some attempt to not kill me or make amends then ill forgive, it was on purpose or just lazyness by them then ill punish.

Last edited by DrunkFace (2006-05-17 21:56:41)

2006-05-18 01:12:52
NZDeathBoy
Member
+20|7180|Chch, New Zealand
DrunkFace, i aggree with you there ahe, im much the same. But if im in a really bad mood i'll punish. And sometimes when snipers put claymores in REALLY stupid places, that the enemy won't go i'll punish... (severs i play on all have mine tk punish on)
2006-05-18 01:29:59
DaKilla.de
Member
+7|7034
What would be, if you won't get a negative score but the same health-damage you do to your teammate?

That would stop that stupid team killing for vehicles! No need for punishment because you would be sentenced to death if you kill a teammate.
2006-05-18 02:38:27
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,081|7252|PNW

For someone running in front of you while you're firing: -1, can't be punished until the fourth offense
For someone killed by splash damage that also takes out more than two enemies: -1, can't be punished until the second offense
For someone standing in front of you on an airfield while you're taking off: -0, can punish offender for stupidity
For severely damaging friendly aircraft that's taking off: -2
For destroying friendly aircraft that's taking off: -5
For destroying a friendly vehicle recently abandoned, and showing up on bombing view, taking out friendlies: -1, can't be punished until the second offense
For killing someone with the redname bug: n/a...FIX IT!!!

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2006-05-18 02:39:12)

2006-05-18 02:39:51
l::.:LIAM:.::l
Member
+139|7153|Blue Mountains, NSW, Australia
i agree
2006-05-18 10:07:27
Cheeky_Ninja06
Member
+52|7212|Cambridge, England
ok well playing on daqing yesterday i jump in the blackhawk, along with 5 other people, im sitting at the side with a pistol out, so im not flying, pilot bails out or crashes or something so i got 5 teamkills.......what?........by the current system with the exponential one im fecked i have like -100 with -1-2-3-4-5 iv only got -15 for something i didnt do and on the last alternative i have been kicked from the server........none of which i really like.

Everybody has played counterstrike, when you are teamkilled you get punish options....im not too sure this would work but you could liek slap them 10 points of health or -1 or forgive or freeze, flashbang effect i dunno .

I think a key thing would be to stop you being able to teamkill in a vehicle, you cna tk with the weapons but not the vehicle, i.e. if you get runover by a jet then you are no more....no tk no suicide same if you are run over by a chopper = no more.....run in front of a tank...=no more etc

give them the same damage is a really good idea unless you are trying to take off in a jet....by standing in front of you they kill you,...

Last edited by Cheeky_Ninja06 (2006-05-18 10:10:42)

2006-05-18 10:09:57
Fabbi_Kanin
Member
+46|7080
Man what I don't understand is why they couldn't erase the whole TK punish shit and make you get autokicked/or like 24h banned after 3-4 TKs instead.
2006-05-18 10:29:17
MrPlatinum
Member
+0|7144
What if EA/Dice were to give every player an allowance per month.  Each player would be allowed to punish so many times per month and forgive all they want since most Tks seem to be accidental.  This style would not be like a cell phone plan either were you get rollover punishes into the next month.  That could be taken a step further and broken  up per day or something like that but after a while if noobs keep punishing they will not be allowed to punish anymore.  Could make it even more fun and implement some type of system where the noobs who consistently punish without forgiving will get penalized themselves for being fags.  Just a few different thoughts on the subject.
2006-05-18 10:40:08
XIthRyker
Member
+7|7134
I wish running people over accidentally wasnt a TK. So often people sprinted away from gunfights and accidentally ran into me or i ran them over and got a TK. If Bf2 had a way of knowing if it was accidental or not it would be sweet.

All my TK's apart from maybe 10 are from the bug or from running people over.

 

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