BF2S Forums Punish System (New Suggestion)

It does punish you.  You loose 4 points for your team work score.  That's why people get upset when you punish for accidental TK (i.e. someone jumping out of your vehicle while your still driving, and getting killed).

I think at the very least, change the punishment to -2 vs -4.

i think that a punish screen shouldn't prompt after a TK, if they really want to punish, make it easier than for the noobs to hit page down...have  a menu in the kit selection or tab or something...

it defenetly affects my, not because of the -4 score but mostly because its most time there own fault. or worse the system doesnt work correct. specific: i shot an heli with an mg from a tank and it crushed into us, thou i got the points 4 killing him but also the tk cuz the explosion also kill me and my mate in the tank... mate punished me. arrrg, that realy pissed me of !! ]:-( stupidness thats what i'm piss of. so far...

suggestion: how about a not point related punishment? like u get negative votes on a new stats only a punishment-stats that shows how often u punished and got punished that much by XX tk done.... maybe server admins could decide on this stats if u r allowed to enter server yes or not or maybe as tryal. but note: could be more harmfull than just some lost score if u can't enter several servers because some %&$& punished u 4 there stupidness...

cheers
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cyrio wrote:

Point-wise, it doesn't. But some servers have an auto-kicking system that will you disconnect you from the server after you get punished a certain number of times.

This is true, but then that server and that server alone should keep track of the total teamkills for that server and not global.  They shouldn't need to keep teamkills globally.

I only punish when the TK was either intentional or they did something stupid (like drop artillery on a bunch of friendlies that were already there). Sometimes artillery tk's are the fault of the commander, and sometimes the fault of the team members. Like I've seen idiot commanders that will drop artillery to take out one or two enemies when there are a dozen friendlies under the artillery that can handle the two enemies on their own. I've seen cases where my team will lose the flag because our commander wipes out us instead of the enemy.

Sometimes if there is a kick / mutiny vote going on at the same time, the option to punish will be obscured.

The punish system works fine as long as people use common sense when deciding wether to punish for a TK or not.
Most of the TK's in BF2 are accidental ( at least according to my observations ) and there is no need to punish for that. Won't help your team much , either.
I agree with Bond, it all depends on the guys you play with. Experienced players would know that they'd TK once in a while themselves and therefore not punish automatically.
But some kids cannot resist to punish for anything, even if their death was caused by their own staggering stupidity or lack of teamplay.

sure, there is the occasional intentional teamkiller, too, but no punish system in the world could handle those effectively, I guess. you'll just need admins watching properly over their servers.
sadly, even those that are run by clans rarely have an admin at hand if needed.

ummm..... im not sure if you guys know how this works or not...

When you teamkill someone... you get -4 instantly no matter what.... if the person decides to punish... an ADDITION -1 is tacked on, for a TOTAL of -5... if they forgive you still get -4.... which is really stupid if you ask me...

The Teamkill Punishment system is flawed. That is a given. It is needed but flawed. There a players out there who care nothing about killing fellow teammates just to do something they have planned. Or to steal vehicles they want. These are the players that should be punished. However as someone else said on this thread many of us acquire teamkills through either accidents or due to the stupidity or non-observation of others. When I get teamkilled and I know its my fault I always forgive. When I feel that there is no good reason I should have gotten killed then I punish. I expect the same respect from other players.

As for the negative points I believe they are a bit steep. Unfortunately there is nothing the AI can do to differentiate between accidental and on purpose teamkilling. And it can't even be figured out by repeated killing because I in all honestly have in fact teamkilled the same player more than once or twice. In a heavy firefight when people are spawning at the flag right next to your cover fire people will in fact run into your guns more than once. I don't know if that is from stupidity or if they get turned around and don't know where they are running.

But I do agree that -4 for a teamkill is a bit steep. I would like to see a -2 per Teamkill and a -1 for Team Damage. After being punished I could see adding a -1 or -2 onto that. At least that would give a maxium of -3 or 4 for a teamkill even with punishment. Obviously on some servers where Admins are online it would be nice to see repeat offenders maliciously teamkilling to be kicked and banned. But servers with admins on them and good ones at that are far and few between.

Until this gets sorted out all you can do is grit your teeth and bare with the idiots out there. Or if the server is just too stupid for you to handle then disconnect and go to another one. I do that quite often if I see the team has no hope of ever getting its act together. Usually when more than 75% of your team is Lonewolf. I play for Squad teamwork not a server filled with unique snowflakes wanting to prove themselves in some way.

Cheers.

we need a punishment for admins that abuse there power of banning just because! if anyone knows how to go about this please contact me!

The only time I have punished is when i was TK'd by a Tank Whore whist i was going for a tank ... I punished him big time ... The other times i get TKd it is usually an accident or me walking in front of a moving car or the like ... The pgup pgdn thing works in my opinion ... what doesnt work is the thought processes going through some smacktards heads.

I second the post regarding friendly mines. If I lay down mines, I try to tell my team where they are, but of course, some moron will run through it. Same with claymores.

I say remove TK for friendly mines. Sure, make em kill the dumb bastard, but dont punish the guy who laid them. Mines are severely under-used in this game, and I think the risk of TK punishment is the main reason for this.