Hmm,the APC can shoot through metal fences,shouldn't be too difficult to give the rifle projectile the same attributes...Towelly wrote:
Ok, that thing looks fun.
Maybe it can go through walls, a la CS, that might be quite difficult to code though.
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How so?Chikyuu Shoujo Arujuna wrote:
1. the old school PSG-1 will own any other sniper rifle
how about using a chopper or tank to kill that person, anywhere close to that and your deadVeNg3nCe^ wrote:
I can imagine all the snipers TKing eachother for the sniper pickup kit
German rifle,that's why.Todd_Angelo wrote:
How so?Chikyuu Shoujo Arujuna wrote:
1. the old school PSG-1 will own any other sniper rifle
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Hey, I like the WA-2000 myself.Mj.Blindfisch wrote:
German rifle,that's why.Todd_Angelo wrote:
How so?Chikyuu Shoujo Arujuna wrote:
1. the old school PSG-1 will own any other sniper rifle
Variation per shot is all well and good (MOA) but once you pass a certain level a rifle's performance is all about other things than accuracy. You could find a 100-year-old rifle that could match the accuracy of many guns made today, but that wouldn't make it a suitable weapon choice for other reasons.Mj.Blindfisch wrote:
No,seriously:If they wanna make it close to real it has to be damn accurate...http://www.snipercentral.com/psg1.htm
Agreed, the WA-2000--another German rifle--was an incredible weapon, easily the best semi-auto sniper I'm aware of that was ever made. (It's really hard to beat the .300 Winchester Magnum as a sniping round, though the .338 Lapua cartridge available in AI's Artic Warfare Magnum rifle is probably ballistically superior.) I had the opportunity to put a few dozen rounds through one in the early '80s; it was short and maneuverable, reasonably light, and exceptionally accurate. Unfortunately, it was also extremely expensive (I believe around $10,000 U.S. back then), so no nation/organization ever contracted an order of any significant size, and as I recall, only around 200 were ever made. If it was still in production, it would surely be the standard against which any semi-auto sniper rifle must be measured. Since it's not, however, Arujuna is almost certainly correct; the PSG-1 will top any other semi-auto sniper weapon, and is equal to or better than the vast majority of bolt action sniper rifles in current production (however, I'd argue that a well maintained M21/M25 would give it a run for its money).Todd_Angelo wrote:
Hey, I like the WA-2000 myself.Mj.Blindfisch wrote:
German rifle,that's why.Todd_Angelo wrote:
How so?
informaton overload! you know ur stuffBooks_DCDF wrote:
Agreed, the WA-2000--another German rifle--was an incredible weapon, easily the best semi-auto sniper I'm aware of that was ever made. (It's really hard to beat the .300 Winchester Magnum as a sniping round, though the .338 Lapua cartridge available in AI's Artic Warfare Magnum rifle is probably ballistically superior.) I had the opportunity to put a few dozen rounds through one in the early '80s; it was short and maneuverable, reasonably light, and exceptionally accurate. Unfortunately, it was also extremely expensive (I believe around $10,000 U.S. back then), so no nation/organization ever contracted an order of any significant size, and as I recall, only around 200 were ever made. If it was still in production, it would surely be the standard against which any semi-auto sniper rifle must be measured. Since it's not, however, Arujuna is almost certainly correct; the PSG-1 will top any other semi-auto sniper weapon, and is equal to or better than the vast majority of bolt action sniper rifles in current production (however, I'd argue that a well maintained M21/M25 would give it a run for its money).Todd_Angelo wrote:
Hey, I like the WA-2000 myself.Mj.Blindfisch wrote:
German rifle,that's why.
very impressive . i certainly don't mind being contradicted, especially when im wrong! i only mentioned the M61 vulcan cannon to give an idea of caliber to other bf2 players. i wont pretend to know the other stuff you said regarding the weapon thoughBooks_DCDF wrote:
Sorry to contradict you, Tahadar, but actually the only similarity between the rounds is the caliber--both are 20 mm. The NTW fires a low velocity 20 mm round with a significantly shorter casing than the aircraft ammunition (the casing is 83.5 mm in length--shorter, actually, than the casing of the 12.6 x 99 round used by the M82/M95). A shorter casing limits the amount of propellant that can be loaded behind the projectile, contributing to the lower velocity of the round. Though I'm not certain about this, I imagine the reason for using the low velocity round is to reduce recoil to a point where it wouldn't injure the shooter. Back in the '80s, the U.S. Army experimented with developing an anti-materiel sniper rilfe based around the round used in the 25 mm Bushmaster cannon--the chain gun used in the M2 Bradley and the LAV 25. While the round proved superior in damaging hard targets, the kick of the rifle was such that it would have broken/dislocated the shoulder of the shooter, so the project was scrapped and for a while they chose to rely on the M82 outfitted with specialized ammo as an anti-material weapon. (An M82 equipped with armor-piercing or Raufoss incendiary rounds can--and will--penetrate the the armored driver's hatch of a BMP/BTR/BRDM, killing the driver.)tahadar wrote:
just to clarify, that gun shoots the same round as the US jets cannon in normal BF2. Splash damage for snipers? yey!
The reduced velocity of the NTW's 20 mm round means that it possesses quite a bit less kinetic energy than the aircraft round, so it won't do as much damage aas one might anticipate for a shoulder-fired projectile of such large size. It is, however, a cannon round, which means that it can be (and usually is) equipped with an explosive projectile, and this is where most of its damage potential comes from.
But I'll agree with you, the thing looks to be a beast and I'd hate to be on the receiving end of a shot from it. But can you imagine lugging that monster around the battlefield? It weighs almost 60 pounds.
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Wanna buy one?Only $75.000,a real bargain....tahadar wrote:
edit: didnt the production of the WA-2000 force walther to go bust?
fuckin right only chuck norris could haul that thing around by himselfDirtyMexican wrote:
Sniper: "Requesting chuck norris drop over"E7IX3R wrote:
imagine sprinting with that thing
PSG1 is a nice rifle for sure, but not really ment for real long range shooting. The rifle has the scope 'permenantly' mounted to the barrel and the scope is only useful out to around 800 meters. Due to the odd size of the scope placing another one in the HK scope is hard to do and of limited usefulness.Books_DCDF wrote:
Agreed, the WA-2000--another German rifle--was an incredible weapon, easily the best semi-auto sniper I'm aware of that was ever made. (It's really hard to beat the .300 Winchester Magnum as a sniping round, though the .338 Lapua cartridge available in AI's Artic Warfare Magnum rifle is probably ballistically superior.) I had the opportunity to put a few dozen rounds through one in the early '80s; it was short and maneuverable, reasonably light, and exceptionally accurate. Unfortunately, it was also extremely expensive (I believe around $10,000 U.S. back then), so no nation/organization ever contracted an order of any significant size, and as I recall, only around 200 were ever made. If it was still in production, it would surely be the standard against which any semi-auto sniper rifle must be measured. Since it's not, however, Arujuna is almost certainly correct; the PSG-1 will top any other semi-auto sniper weapon, and is equal to or better than the vast majority of bolt action sniper rifles in current production (however, I'd argue that a well maintained M21/M25 would give it a run for its money).
Don't let him fool you, he's just really good with Google.dont_be_ss wrote:
informaton overload! you know ur stuff
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.:ronin:.|Patton wrote:
they should put like a 5 foot muzzle blast on it lol
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lolDirtyMexican wrote:
Sniper: "Requesting chuck norris drop over"E7IX3R wrote:
imagine sprinting with that thing