duffry
Moderator Emeritus
+148|7315|Cheshire, UK

antin0de wrote:

WARNING!  antin0de, your language is unacceptable.  Please keep it clean.

Psssh... and killing people is OK?

Almost like the FCC saying CSI is PG-TV, but bare titties are forbidden.  What.  The.  Fuck.
No, killing people is not ok. Playing a game that simulates it without all that much realism is ok.
Swearing is alright within limits but 16+PEGI or not, this game is played by kids and also by adults the would rather not get too many swear words flash up on the screen; since it's hardly of any benefit to anyones game then I would rather not get excessive swearing, and minimal abuse on my servers.
paranoid101
Ambitious but Rubbish
+540|7215
Got kicked this weekend for defending the Hanger aft flag opening on Iron Gator.

I use C4 on the Entrance by the lift to stop the MEC Heli from coming on the carrier that way.

Turns out the server rule was no C4 or claymores in rooms or to defend flags.

Now thats a dumb rule.

Last edited by paranoid101 (2006-06-19 16:22:49)

Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|7150|Canberra, AUS

messfeeder wrote:

Xristos1 wrote:

I was once told: "DO NOT JUMP TO AVOID ENEMY FIRE" um yea I'll just stand here and let you kill me.... If a Tank is shooting at me... I'll bunny my ass out of there...
lol that's funny.  I hate bunnyhoppers, but I wouldn't make a rule to stop it.  That's part of playing the game.  I just run up and try to knife 'em while they're hopping around like an idiot.






























































































shit.
Woah.... Got enough empty space there?
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
T0rr3nt
Member
+54|7052|Michigan
commanders = COMMAND. not jerk off with precious resources to help pad your score.



the end.
Todd_Angelo
Leukocyte
+336|7102|Warlord

Richard2000 wrote:

i hate the one where u cant command from a tank
You shouldn't generally. Depends on the number of players of course but commanders should generally command; it's hard enough to find someone who's decent at the job without taking almost all of their attention away from what they should be doing. WE do the fighting, you do the scanning, UAV, supplies, artie and general battlefield-watchdog duties.

Had a real champ in a match on Sharqi tonight, thought it would be fun to command from the gunner's seat of the MEC chopper, on a 64-player server.


ThomasMorgan wrote:

No base raping even if all other flags are capped.  I can understand that it sucks for the other team, but what are you expected to do?  Wait for them to try and cap a flag?
Even though I hate baserape if you've been outfought and you're down to the one base and it's an uncap I mean seriously, do we have to religiously wait for them to leave the area to kill them?


duffry wrote:

Any anti baserape rule but that's another story.
If you're spawning and getting killed instantly because there's a tank driving up and down the street and a squad of infantry camped out, weapons pointing directly at the spawn zones, that's a bit much in my book.

The whole baserape thing is a bit hazy though; how far outside the circle is still considered part of the base? Not all bases are as sharply defined as the one on Oman.


duffry wrote:

We have a queue for vehicles rule (first to reach the spawn point choses their position in the vehicle). It's a bit lame that it should need to be done but it works pretty well and is reasonably easy to admin fairly.
Is this common?
What do people think about it?
No question this is the way it should be normally. No, it's not common; only seen it once or twice before at most.


Probably my favourite, not because it's the most lame but because I've seen it many times having played on the server a fair bit: DO NOT JUMP TO AVOID ENEMY FIRE. (Edit: I see it's already been posted). Like that's enforceable anyway! And as it is I don't think it is enforced so it's just there for amusement value.

Another choice one is "no claymores to protect flags", okaaaay, fair enough I think that's against the ROE but if I place the claymores outside the flag-protect zone then they're not 'protecting' the flag so... Duh, the sooner people realise that clays protecting flags and building entrances encourages teamwork the better
_j5689_
Dreads & Bergers
+364|7192|Riva, MD
No cussing, that's the most bullshit rule in all of BF2.
OpsChief
Member
+101|7151|Southern California
Any rules that remove the demand for a 360 degree battle, full team Strategy and Tactics, game balance and turns BF2 into a 1980s Space Invaders game pretty much suck.

Spawn Camping/Base Raping ROFLMAO. Can anyone name Superpowers who followed this rule in the last century, and what were the results?

Code the Rules Don't ROE them
G3157
Member
+6|7007
Name a Superpower who's soldiers respawn, tanks can be fixed from a near-flaming wreck with nothing but a wrench, mines can be thrown, parachutes deploy effectively after an 8ft drop.... I don't need to go on.  It's not real, it's a game... games are meant to be fun.  Getting spawn raped pretty much defines "not fun" in BF2.

Allowing base rape after all your flags are taken is decent enough imo, you can't expect the other team to stand there and get your shit together to break back out of your base.  On the other hand, those clowns whose scores rely on dumping out of their one-man transport chopper above your base, stealing armor, and parking in a place where they can see most of the spawn points in an uncap are those I'd like to know IRL, go to their houses, club them in the teeth with a tire iron and drag them into the street to be shot.


Worst (common) rule out there is the no swearing.  Kinda messed up that we measure our worth in this game by how many people we can kill, how efficiently, and in how many ways... but cursing... we can't have that.

Worst (uncommon) rules are obviously those that are server specific ones that are clearly written by people who sat down with a big plate of retard sandwiches before setting up their server... like admins get vehicles, and admins kicking players who dominate them (Go Team MOAB!).
lukeiamnotyourfather
Joe's Crematorium, You Kill'em, We Grill'em!
+37|7151
mmmk, enough repeatin rules. I encountered a rule: NO TEAM SWITCHING FOR ANY REASON!
Stupidest rule ever, I mean, what if you are trying to get an award?  Or maybe you are trying to be on your friend/clanmate's team?  Now thats a shit rule.
.:XDR:.PureFodder
Member
+105|7305
I'm an admin on our clan server and we operate a no base-raping on UCBs rule. The reason is, the vast majority of people wanted it. Also it's fairly easy to regulate. If someone stays around an UCB for a couple of minutes, it's obvious that they're there to shoot people as they spawn (also you'll see a pile of hatred filled messages aimed at them). They'll get 2 polite warnings to leave that area or be kicked. If they ignore that they get kicked.

As far as what happens when all the bases except the UCB are gone. Yes, you can sit there and wait for the enemy to leave the base. It's not like any of the UCBs are in the middle of the map surrounded by other spawn points.



If a server has a specific set of rules. Follow them or find another server.
duffry
Moderator Emeritus
+148|7315|Cheshire, UK

Todd_Angelo wrote:

duffry wrote:

We have a queue for vehicles rule (first to reach the spawn point chooses their position in the vehicle). It's a bit lame that it should need to be done but it works pretty well and is reasonably easy to admin fairly.
Is this common?
What do people think about it?
No question this is the way it should be normally. No, it's not common; only seen it once or twice before at most.
This would be where I pimp my servers again right?
Oh dang, my sig beat me to it.


G3157 wrote:

Allowing base rape after all your flags are taken is decent enough IMO, you can't expect the other team to stand there and get your shit together to break back out of your base.  On the other hand, those clowns whose scores rely on dumping out of their one-man transport chopper above your base, stealing armor, and parking in a place where they can see most of the spawn points in an uncap are those I'd like to know IRL, go to their houses, club them in the teeth with a tire iron and drag them into the street to be shot.
Steady on there fella!
Base rape when uncap is the last is ok cos there ain't a whole lot else to do and that's the point of a strategy, to force the enemy into a weaker position and therefore make defeat easier. Sure that means the one-on-one shooting is less of a thrill but there'll be another round along in a mo, lets enjoy the success of a well played out strategy and see if the underdogs can do anything about it.

Base-rape on any flag when it's not the last is ok cos if it's a shitty place to spawn, spawn somewhere else, the enemy has that one.

Spawn camping is ok (even in a tank) cos it should promote effective base defense. True, it only tends to promote whining to admins but hey.
If I see an enemy camping one of my bases it gets my defensive juices running and I HAVE to do something about it. What I don't try to do though is spawn right in front of the guy, I call in an air strike, spawn elsewhere and move in... 

This game is great in that you are the victim of your own and your teams efforts. Defense is often more effective than attack but not if it is neglected and the advantage of terrain and resources given away.

.:XDR:.PureFodder wrote:

If a server has a specific set of rules. Follow them or find another server.
100% agree.
As long as the rules don't break the ROE then respect the people who pay for and police the server. If you disagree so be it, either live with it or move on. If you can't find a server that you like then see how hard it is to set one up yourself.

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asbad
Member
+19|7196|Ireland

SargeV1.4 wrote:

No Grenade Launcher usage! (seriously, stand AWAY from that wall already!)
No bunnyhopping/dolphin diving! (aiming is hard, eh?)
No Solo-Piloting (yeah, all solo-pilots are liek, totally teh eevil!)

And the secret rule of 95% of all servers:

If you play well, you cheat, and we're going to ban you for high ping/making way for an admin/etc.
agreed.



Kinda suprised that these havent got more mentioning in the topic...

"Vehicles reserved for clan members"
"Clan members have priority to all vehicles"
"Clan members are the only ones allowed to be commander"

They use the excuse that they have paid for the server, therefore they get to choose their own rules. Of course i just leave any server i see with these rules
Cbass
Kick His Ass!
+371|7170|Howell, Mi USA
Ive seen stupid rules like
-No being in armor more than 50% of the game <---- got banned for that once, i didn't know it was illeagle to use vehicles?
-No base rape (dumbass rule)
-U cannot kill jets/helo's unless they are in the air. (dumbass rule)
-Clan members have first pick on ALL vehicles. (can't remember the clan but who died and made them god)
-No useing artillery

Let me put it this way, i think most all server rules are total bullshit. The only rules i agree with are
-No commanding from vehicle
-No Tk'ing for vehicles
-No stats padding, cheating or glitching

Anything else should be fair game. Rules like "no base rape" are just a way for server admins to say without saying "no doing anything to make our stats less 1337"
https://bf3s.com/sigs/bb53a522780eff5b30ba3252d44932cc2f5b8c4f.png
Snakestyles
Member
+17|7213|South Africa

OpsChief wrote:

Any rules that remove the demand for a 360 degree battle, full team Strategy and Tactics, game balance and turns BF2 into a 1980s Space Invaders game pretty much suck.

Spawn Camping/Base Raping ROFLMAO. Can anyone name Superpowers who followed this rule in the last century, and what were the results?

Code the Rules Don't ROE them
Yup US decided to not carpet bomb hanoi in the Vietnam war. Not that i agree, i think spawn camping is fun!.
[n00b]Tyler
Banned
+505|7070|Iceland
no hecking on servers [i understand racist words tho] this game is made for 16+ and yet servers have filters for bad words? if there are 6yr olds playing this game they are gonna have to face some bad words since its for 16 ffs.
1927
The oldest chav in the world
+2,423|7149|Cardiff, Capital of Wales
I play on ea uk official servers and nuffin else really, nightly I read someone ask, is baseraping allowed then? asking in a saarky way. The rules mention language and thats it, no rasicts or offensive and no tki'ing. So yes I'm coming back to rape you again.

To me raping is sitting in Karkand in a tank pointing the turret down the alleyways.
Bernadictus
Moderator
+1,055|7212

Richard2000 wrote:

what are some of the crap rules you come across
i hate the one where u cant command from a tank
so what is yours plz tell me
If that tank can be used to turn the tide off battle and your commy ass is in it, they have all the reason to enforce their rules. You shouldn't be in the open.

I can find myself in most rules.

Weapon / Vehicle enforcing / Idiot rules >> If I don't agree with them I EXIT THE SERVER. I believe that is all to be said.
BrOk_MoRdU
Psychotic Sniper Inc.
+76|7027|The Land of Claywhore
I played on a 24/7 karkand for a couple rounds.They had thier rules at the top of the screen saying"No camping MEC capturable base"and"No stealing enemy vehicles" WTF!!!!lol on this same server i could see cheaters on my uav inside the hotel.No matter to me cause i still got 59 kills and my expert A/T badge.I told only my team what was going on we loaded up an apc and drove right past the hotel w/ the stereo as loud as it could go.We still kicked thier arses!
Todd_Angelo
Leukocyte
+336|7102|Warlord

_j5689_ wrote:

No cussing, that's the most bullshit rule in all of BF2.
No it fucking isn't!






G3157 wrote:

Name a Superpower who's soldiers respawn, tanks can be fixed from a near-flaming wreck with nothing but a wrench, mines can be thrown, parachutes deploy effectively after an 8ft drop.... I don't need to go on.  It's not real, it's a game... games are meant to be fun.  Getting spawn raped pretty much defines "not fun" in BF2.
QFE


lukeiamnotyourfather wrote:

mmmk, enough repeatin rules. I encountered a rule: NO TEAM SWITCHING FOR ANY REASON!
Stupidest rule ever, I mean, what if you are trying to get an award?  Or maybe you are trying to be on your friend/clanmate's team?  Now thats a shit rule.
ROFL, what if someone wants to go to the losing side to try to make a difference? I sure can't do that in BF2 but I used to do it all the time in UT, sometimes more than once in a single game.


.:XDR:.PureFodder wrote:

If a server has a specific set of rules. Follow them or find another server.
Aye. I agree completely, although I do jump to avoid enemy fire on the CROW servers... 'cause that's just silly LOL
DrunkFace
Germans did 911
+427|7156|Disaster Free Zone

Lots of people wrote:

No Base raping uncaps
Disagree will explain later.

ThomasMorgan wrote:

I have, actually.  That's how I got my Purple Heart.  It happened on Kubra Dam after MEC had taken over all the cappable flags.

The way I see it, if your team sucks enough to not have a single flag other than your uncap, then you deserve to be base-raped.  The opposing team earned it.
Der mec starts with all but 1, it only takes a couple of quick loaders on Mecs team and US can be fucked, same with Karkand and wake (not so much Sharqi cause theres 3 spawns but if US can get the choper and a peice of armor the same thing aplies).

I can see the other side too, "what do we do now we have all the flags but there uncap". Both valid arguments and the server i play on has a solution that should keep both sides happy (except the extremist "It a Fucking war game theres no rules in war (But there are, ever heard of geniva convention)). Well enough of that crap the rule is, 'No attacking uncappturable bases in vechiles'. Means those that are, can but on foot, and those getting raped have a chance because theres not a j-10 bombing every 30 secs or a tank stuck up your ass when you spawn.

Last edited by DrunkFace (2006-06-20 06:49:56)

duffry
Moderator Emeritus
+148|7315|Cheshire, UK

DrunkFace wrote:

Well enough of that crap the rule is, 'No attacking uncappturable bases in vechiles'. Means those that are, can but on foot, and those getting raped have a chance because theres not a j-10 bombing every 30 secs or a tank stuck up your ass when you spawn.
Nah, I don't think that solves anythingYou are stillleft with all th big quetions on both sides.

What constitutes rape - this goes some way to being answered in that you kinda define it as using vehicles but there's still a world of grey area.
What constitutes a base - where are the boundries? Can you fire in but stay outside? can you drive past/through? Can you airdrop people?
can vehicles be stolen - and in this cas can they be used (transport of guns)

etc

The big problem with anti baserape rules is in their definition and inerpretation. We refuse no-baserape clan challenges as it so often leads to dissagreements of who over stepped the mark (as well as one team playing a match in a different style to the way they practice).

The only fair way is to not have a mark and just let it play. It is fair even on the maps you stated.
karkand has only one flag for US but they are the only ones with an uncap.
Sharqi is the same but they have 3
On Kubra the US start with a remoe airbase and a ton of vehicles, you really have to screw up the start not to be able to snag a lightly defended MEC flag.

Wake IS unbalanced but only because people don't act as a team (and 1.3 only makes that harder). If you work together it is NOT hard to cap one flag (delay spawning) and from there the US can push on. Again they have the only uncap. The only problem with wake (as I say) is that public pla isn't organised enough to give the US much of a chance.
High Spirit
Member
+5|7047|Canada, Eh?

SargeV1.4 wrote:

And the secret rule of 95% of all servers:

If you play well, you cheat, and we're going to ban you for high ping/making way for an admin/etc.
I was on a clan server last night, had about 30 points more than anyone and the reason I was kicked was to make room for admin. 12 year olds should not have thier own servers....
E7IX3R
is drunk and crazy
+216|7163|UK
no baseraping is a stupid rule.

If DICE intended on there being no base rape, they wouldnt have put essex on the carriers and AA in other uncaps.

They'd have made a punish zone (like when you fly out of bounds)

base rape is a term made up by whiners and people who dont have the common sense to spawn else where.

Last edited by E7IX3R (2006-06-20 10:54:59)

duffry
Moderator Emeritus
+148|7315|Cheshire, UK

E7IX3R wrote:

base rape is a term made up by whiners and people who dont have the common sense to spawn else where.
I wouldn't agree there, it's a historical thing (a little piece I wrote about it) but I believe that BF2 deals with it quite nicely and agree that there is no indication that the game developers or map designers intended for people to stay away from main bases in any way. In fact quite the oposite. The bases are scattered with defensive positions and weapon implacements.
JVollmer82
Member
+3|7018|Germany
don`t use armor unless you are an engineer - one of the stupidest things i have seen so far

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