Poll

Is EA getting too much money (read before you vote)

Yes66%66% - 83
No33%33% - 41
Total: 124
[PHPR]-SpecialOps
Member
+18|7376|Your six is my twelve
There are 2800 or so servers out there, the average ammount of player slots per server is 24, and it costs $8 per server slot.  That means that $8 per slot times 24 slots per server, times 2800 servers comes out to be a monthly income of $537,600.  In the past year, EA has made at LEAST $6,451,200, probably more. They offer almost no custemer service, and have a very glitchy game.  They have done nothing about it.  Look at 1.3.. CTD (Crash To Desktop every 4 hours, at least.  1 out of every 3 EA US OFFICIAL servers that you join will go down from unexplained reasons.  And theres the NEO glitch on warlord where you can stand on a building and be completely invincible.  Similar, or rather the opposite of the hotel glitch, which is another one of EA's huge mistakes.  How hard is it to write a code where buildings are objects that you can't pass thru, damn.  Also, they spent months working on some of the maps for euro forces, and special forces, when it takes a novice an hour or two to make a decent 16 player map with the BF2 editor.  (Paint terrain, drag and drop buildings, drag and drop trees, select all trees and copy to make a forest, left click to raise terrain (make hills), right click to lower terrain (make valleys).  Drag and drop flags, drag and drop spawn points, drag and drop vehicle spawn points, work completed.  In less then an hour or two.  EA spent MONTHS to make these new booster packs, and charge us $10 for them.  I personally call 3 maps a patch, but hey, whatever.  EA is nothing but a bunch of evil soulless bastards (see below paragraph for my rant).  More math, there are 650,000 ranked players, if everyone of them buys these patches (booster packs) then EA is another $6,500,000 richer.  6.5 MILLION DOLLARS FOR THREE FUCKING MAPS!!!!  However, not everyone bought all these booster packs. However, according to the wikipedia encyclopedia, EA has sold 2,090,000 copies of BF2 as of march 2006 (Source Here).  2,090,000x50=$104,500,000. 650,000 of em bough SF as of december 31st, 2005 (Source Here) for $20, so 20x650,000=13,000,000.   Half of em bough EF for $10, so thats 300,000x10=$3,000,000, and another third bought AF for $10, 200,000x10=2,000,000. 

Final math.  $104,500,000 for core BF2+$13,000,000 for SF+$3,000,000 for EF+$2,000,000 for AF+$6,451,200 for server fees.
EA MADE $128,951,200 in the past year, 128 MILLION DOLLARS!! Tell me, is that too much money for this game?



Games made by EA aren't made to be enjoyed, they are made to rot your brains out, put holes in your pockets, and send all of the evil soulless members of upper corperate management to the bahamas where they spend months on beaches hiding from the sun under umbrellas. (members from the upper corperate management of ea and dice are kind of like vampires, except they suck your money away instead of your blood, and attempt to turn you into a tank whore instead of a vampire. Both are soulless).
While they're on the beaches, they call in to hell (their office headquarters) to "asssign" (damn) acoyltes of the company to make new maps. Which they use to suck further ammounts of money from the public.

My math had a flaw in it, I was only counting the online players.. thanks to revolution.inc for pointing this out. (Just in case you guys don't read every response).

Revolution.inc wrote:

And also, since March of 06 EA has sold 2,090,000 million copies of BF 2 Vanilla.
That means that we have given EA 104,500,000.00 dollars on just Vanilla BF 2.
Source : wikipedia
Checked out wikipedia myself, and it should be 2 million copies as of march of 2006, not since march 2006.  We all make those monday screw ups, so don't worry about it.

Great job revolution, replace that with the original 32 mil that i though it was and puts it at a good 123 Million

And then of course, the same error with special forces, I once again only counted on line players as opposed to total sales, and that bumped it up another $5 million to $128 million.

I've sited two of my sources so far per gunners indirect request.  I'm looking for a site with a detailed up to date report on the market sales of EuroForces. As for Armored Fury, Sales are going to continue to climb, so I'm going to wait a month or two to see how many more people buy that.

Last edited by [PHPR]-SpecialOps (2006-06-23 10:24:43)

First_and_Only
Member
+4|7171|ON, Canada
hey nice research and i couldnt agree more but all companys are like this they all want more money so unless ur gonna stop playing video games, they win

Last edited by First_and_Only (2006-06-21 21:34:49)

DirtyMexican
I knife Generals
+278|7132|Search Whore killing fields
Not counting the other games they make
jsruck24
Member
+3|7118
Good job on getting facts before just saying your opinion
drug_dealer111
Member
+44|7156|Team America!!!

[PHPR]-SpecialOps wrote:

There are 2800 or so servers out there, the average ammount of player slots per server is 24, and it costs $8 per server slot.  That means that $8 per slot times 24 slots per server, times 2800 servers comes out to be a monthly income of $537,600.  In the past year, EA has made at LEAST $6,451,200, probably more. They offer almost no custemer service, and have a very glitchy game.  They have done nothing about it.  Look at 1.3.. CTD (Crash To Desktop every 4 hours, at least.  1 out of every 3 EA US OFFICIAL servers that you join will go down from unexplained reasons.  And theres the NEO glitch on warlord where you can stand on a building and be completely invincible.  Similar, or rather the opposite of the hotel glitch, which is another one of EA's huge mistakes.  How hard is it to write a code where buildings are objects that you can't pass thru, damn.  Also, they spent months working on some of the maps for euro forces, and special forces, when it takes a novice an hour or two to make a decent 16 player map with the BF2 editor.  (Paint terrain, drag and drop buildings, drag and drop trees, select all trees and copy to make a forest, left click to raise terrain (make hills), right click to lower terrain (make valleys).  Drag and drop flags, drag and drop spawn points, drag and drop vehicle spawn points, work completed.  In less then an hour or two.  EA spent MONTHS to make these new booster packs, and charge us $10 for them.  I personally call 3 maps a patch, but hey, whatever.  EA is nothing but a bunch of evil soulless bastards (see below paragraph for my rant).  More math, there are 650,000 ranked players, if everyone of them buys these patches (booster packs) then EA is another $6,500,000 richer.  6.5 MILLION DOLLARS FOR THREE FUCKING MAPS!!!!  However, not everyone bought all these booster packs, but they did buy core BF2, for $50, so.. 650,000x50=$32,500,000. About three/quarters of em bough SF for $20, so 20x400,000=8,000,000.   Half of em bough EF for $10, so thats 300,000x10=$3,000,000, and another third bought AF for $10, 200,000x10=2,000,000. 

Final math.  $32,500,000 for core BF2+$8,000,000 for SF+$3,000,000 for EF+$2,000,000+$6,451,200 for server fees.
EA MADE $51,951,200 in the past year, 51 MILLION DOLLARS!! Tell me, is that too much money for this game?



Games made by EA aren't made to be enjoyed, they are made to rot your brains out, put holes in your pockets, and send all of the evil soulless members of upper corperate management to the bahamas where they spend months on beaches hiding from the sun under umbrellas. (members from the upper corperate management of ea and dice are kind of like vampires, except they suck your money away instead of your blood, and attempt to turn you into a tank whore instead of a vampire. Both are soulless).
While they're on the beaches, they call in to hell (their office headquarters) to "asssign" (damn) acoyltes of the company to make new maps. Which they use to suck further ammounts of money from the public.
Now i wish i owned EA...maybe i can buy it for...lets see here...$25...a cookie...some lint...and some drugs...lmao. settle down...your right but if they didnt make this game...human life would have evolved with the millions of man hours spent playing this game...but what am i saying...im on my third account and i tolly freakin love this game!!!
genius_man16
Platinum Star whore
+365|7273|Middle of nowhere
I voted "no" just b/c there are other games that have made far more money.  But i do agree with you that charging us $10 for 3 maps is VERY lame... and their patchings/coding skills are next to nothing... where's that guy that has the sig "Code it, don't ROE it"? that's what's going on here... i mean, how hard is it to stop the Hotel glitch from hapening? wtf man?

+1 b/c you have a very good argument and you did a lot of math
Longbow
Member
+163|7241|Odessa, Ukraine
BF2 is the best game in it's type , EA has monopoly for it . So what do you want ? Until competition will appear , EA will own us for our money..

My vote : No

Last edited by Longbow (2006-06-21 21:40:27)

PHPR Hunter
Member
+4|7133
I have no problem paying for something and receiving value for what I paid.  I'm ok with the original BF2, since I have had a lot of fun with it.  I think they could have released a much better product.  I am right with you on the mods that have been released.  With all the problems since the original release, EA leaves me no choice but to look for alternatives.  Hopefully, Quake Wars will be such an alternative and I can vote on EA's lack of skill with my pocketbook.
VspyVspy
Sniper
+183|7267|A sunburnt country
EA wouldn't get all that money.  It's like the farmer that sells meat for $2.00 and by the time it gets to the market shelves it's $15.00.

They are obviously making money but I don't know what overheads (wages, rent, utilities blah blah blah) they have.  I am sure their profit and loss data could be found as they are a publicly listed company but I couldn't be flogged looking for it!!

They are making a product that we all love (yeah, yeah, love to hate as well) and so far my cph is 10.9.  I couldn't have done that playing space invaders during the 80's at the local amusement centre.  That used to be 20c a game.
Ponderosa
Member
+0|7114
I think your math is extremely flawed...
EA doesn't get paid for all those servers, and $8 a slot is wrong too.


You claim $8 slot, with an average of 24 players that goes to EA... OK well 8*24 = $192

How come Gamedaemons offers 24 player public ranked servers for $120?

https://shop.gamedaemons.net/?product_id=2005

$120/24 = $5 a slot

and I'm pretty sure GD receives the money for the server, not EA

Oh and AOWC offers them even cheaper

http://www.artofwarcentral.com/main.asp?page=gp&view=148

$84/24 = $3.50 a slot

and again, AOWC central is getting paid for the servers, not EA


I voted no, nice try on your argument, but it makes no sense, and is totally wrong. Unless I'm missing something here, and you have to pay EA, ontop of paying your server provider...... which makes absoloutley no sense.
DonFck
Hibernator
+3,227|7226|Finland

So, we have 51 million $ (estimated value).

Now let's do the subtraction!

- salaries
  - design
  - programming
  - executives
- physical production
- shipping
- server hosts commissions ( 30 - 95 % of lease income?)
- stock dividends
- etc.

Punchline being: It might have costed EA/Dice more than 40million$ (just a "guestimate" to match the one in the original thread starter)  just to get the game ready for the shelves at our local Quik-E-Mart. Now.. at that point the company/companies have no turnover for this new product, yet the amount of invested capital is massive. As return for taking the risk, and succeeding in producing one of the best fps multiplayer games ever, I'd say that a decent profit margin is a well deserved compensation. The primary idea of having and upholding any company is to profit from it. And with the help of this product, e.g. Dice has had a profit margin of 27% for 2005. All I can say is: "Well done!"

This has nothing to do with 1.3 or any other patch that everyone (including me) whines about infinitely. I'm sure they're "working around the cock" to get 1.31(or something) out there. The game in it self is great, we all know this. So IMHO it is totally justified that EA and especially Dice get a decent return for it.

Lots of XXX,
-DonFck-


Edit: lé typos

Last edited by DonFck (2006-06-22 00:21:09)

I need around tree fiddy.
stryyker
bad touch
+1,682|7315|California

Blizzard made about $100,000,000,000 with WoW
Gamematt
Stocking ur medpacks
+135|7257|Groningen, The Netherlands
Hmmm, looking at your post it does seem EA gets a lot of money.
But heej I enjoy bf and I dont really mind my hard earned 80 dollars going to them (bf + sf)
But your absolutly right about the last 2 extensions, I'm not gonna pay money for an extra 3 maps that should be free
The#1Spot
Member
+105|7134|byah
And now there going to try to scam us with bf2142 if they use the exact same engine as of bf2 then the same problems, glitches will be in this game not worth the buy
daffytag
cheese-it!
+104|7170
I dont think EA ownes all the BF2 servers. Companys rent em out.

But yeah EA should really be giving EF and AF for free or a lot less 50p or $1 ?
ATG
Banned
+5,233|7124|Global Command

stryyker wrote:

Blizzard made about $100,000,000,000 with WoW
Dude, your sig. I was wondering when somebody was going to post a pix of Marconius.
mavrick 3399
EA GAMES PATCH EVERYTHING
+102|7136|Doncaster UK

The#1Spot wrote:

And now there going to try to scam us with bf2142 if they use the exact same engine as of bf2 then the same problems, glitches will be in this game not worth the buy
i have a feeling your going to buy QuakeWars, (which has been developed on the doom engine or some variant of that engine) so what if 2142 is made on the same engine as bf2, DICE have played with the engine to get the most out of it, they have also learnt from there mistakes from BF2(we hope) so i don't think we will be having that many problems, and i don't have that many problems now.

And EA trying to scam us with BF2142  you might want to make that EVERY computer company trying to scam us to buy there product which is either better or faster than the previous version or the competitors version.

lets not bitch lets just play, thats why we buy the games thats how they get there money.
Jestar
Shifty's Home Number: 02 9662 8432
+373|7336

Yeah, stryyker is Right. At least we don't have to pay $20 a Month, as well as the Game and Add-Ons to Buy a Fantasy Game.

They would make an Absolute fortune, just for a Shit load of People to play bf2.

Also, to the OP, I don't think there can be that Many people playing. I know heaps of People that have given the Game up ages ago.
And Like DonFck said, it Costs alot of Money to produce this Golden Game.........
OSS-CAPT-SPEIRS
Member
+13|7327|Orange County, CA
How can you make "too much money"?  They made a great game, people buy it, enjoy playing it.  Nuff said.
SiMSaM16
Member
+48|7288|United States of America
EA should give 50% of their income back to the BF2 community... or just me.
j5f5ff
Member
+11|7345
Yea, but who would be playing this game if nobody made it?
GUN|BF2.Craven
Member
+1|7144|Hamburg, Germany
according to dice (http://global.dice.se/finance/reports/? … 5dd7df8ce3) bf2 has sold 1.9 mio, the SF addon sold 650k units (both until dec 31, 2005)

BUT: that's some ridiculous math above, you definitely need to learn more about how economy works
Kryuk
Member
+3|7244|Moscow,Russia
I think BF2142 will be less buggy,just because it will have a concurent.
dubbs
Member
+105|7227|Lexington, KY

GUN|BF2.Craven wrote:

according to dice (http://global.dice.se/finance/reports/? … 5dd7df8ce3) bf2 has sold 1.9 mio, the SF addon sold 650k units (both until dec 31, 2005)

BUT: that's some ridiculous math above, you definitely need to learn more about how economy works
He also needs to learn where to reference his source, as you did Gun.
revolution.inc
Pass
+35|7366|Phoenix, Az

stryyker wrote:

Blizzard made about $100,000,000,000 with WoW
They make about 90+mil a month from its 6 million players that pay the 15 dollars a month for a subscription.

And also, since March of 06 EA has sold 2,090,000 million copies of BF 2 Vanilla.
That means that we have given EA 104,500,000.00 dollars on just Vanilla BF 2.
Source : wikipedia

Last edited by revolution.inc (2006-06-22 01:29:01)

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