Poll

Which class would you NOT join if they were squad leader?

Special Ops0%0% - 1
Sniper28%28% - 30
Assault1%1% - 2
Support1%1% - 2
Medic0%0% - 0
Anti-Tank1%1% - 2
I impose my will on others. I make my own squads.22%22% - 24
I'll join anyone, I need to follow.11%11% - 12
Squads!? Squads are for pussies! Lonewolf all the way.2%2% - 3
...ooo, look, cake! Yum.28%28% - 31
Total: 107
Poet
Meatbag.
+65|7191|Where I don't know where I am.
Now, the question begs itself.

If you join a server, and have a pick of squads to join, which squads are you LESS LIKELY to join, based on the class of the squad leader.

I always make a point these days of trying to join a squad the moment I connect to a server.  However, I am sick of seeing four squads, all led by snipers that simply find a perch and sit there for the round.  Other guys blindly join them, but faced with that scenario, I prefer to either form a squad myself, or be a lone wolf.

I like to see Medics as Squad Leaders.  The other classes work well if played well, heck, even a sniper can do a good job (but very rarely does), overlooking a zone and spotting the enemy from afar for his squad members.

Thoughts?
Sgt_Bob05
Nade Spammers Must Die
+49|7325|Australia
I don't give a shit what kit they are as long as they are alive and in a good position when i want to spawn.
elmo1337
Banned
+186|7183|The real world
I like eggcake
PRiMACORD
Member
+190|7249|Home of the Escalade Herds
Definetly not a sniper squad.

Also, where's the C4K3
Poet
Meatbag.
+65|7191|Where I don't know where I am.
Until 1.3, I'd have agreed with you there SgtBob, but since the new restrictions on Squad spawning, I find people tend to be more choosy.
Fabbi_Kanin
Member
+46|7224
I agree.
But snipers are usually leaders only for the following reasons:
1.The get SL time
2.They want UAV and supplies
CrazeD
Member
+368|7297|Maine
If someone doesn't join a squad simply because of the squad leader's kit, then they have no idea how to use teamwork.

I base my squad selection on good players, not on kits. I've played with people who will own everything with any kit.

The kit doesn't matter, it's whose using the kit that matters.
voltage
Member
+46|7464|Sweden
Most important is that there are no piloting of jets or choppers in the squad, especially not the SL.

I don't find snipers especially attractive but they can be useful.

If the SL don't have any orders or start setting them I'll leave shortly and try another squad.
Kontrolfreq
Member
+50|7228|Cambridge UK
I actually voted cake as i initially though this was a silly question, but then i saw everyone voting sniper!

SNIPERS make the BEST squad leaders!!! They stay back, creating a spawn point near an emeny base from a vantage point and also they don't run into battle and get themselves killed! SLs need to be alive as much of the time as possible which makes them perfect for the job... You can't respawn on a dead medic can you?
1927
The oldest chav in the world
+2,423|7297|Cardiff, Capital of Wales
Im only posting because I mis read the title and thought "why is he asking for Hitler".  I been out in the sun, forgive me.
elmo1337
Banned
+186|7183|The real world

voltage wrote:

Most important is that there are no piloting of jets or choppers in the squad, especially not the SL.

I don't find snipers especially attractive but they can be useful.

If the SL don't have any orders or start setting them I'll leave shortly and try another squad.
I follow orders when in a chopper so sst
Tjasso
the "Commander"
+102|7147|the Netherlands
we're going over to defense here ! go go go , Hit it ! i always try to be a Delta sq leader a hooah !
Sin-nisterMinister
You have been blessed... with my rifle!
+43|7220|Bellmawr, NJ, US
I agree with Kontrolfreq, but most snipers play that way.
Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
+2,490|7331|67.222.138.85

Sgt_Bob05 wrote:

I don't give a shit what kit they are as long as they are alive and in a good position when i want to spawn.
I tend to like to join squads with an AT squad leader or member, this usually means at least one person in the squad is more concerned with teamwork than points, though I like most snipers as squad leaders. These people that sit in one spot for half an hour are giving the rest of us snipers a bad name. In my opinion, if you're going to be in a squad, snipers should be just behind the squad by about 25 feet, or up in some rafters supporting the squad capping the flag. All the time, I let my squad or just anyone on my team with a rifle go first,  someone pops out that's either at his extreme range and I can pop down and head shot him so my buddy doesn't have to screw with a long firefight, or someone pops out close range and I get a quick hit on him, either taking him down after my buddy hit him  a few times, or I put some serious hurt on hi and if my buddy has any skill at all he can land an easy shot on him. Either way I saved my buddy a death or at the very least helped him on keeping his health up. Another example is when I'm the squad leader on Karkand at the warehouse, usually with my clan in a squad of 3-5, everyone else goes down to cap the flag I stay up in the rafters to keep people down who spawn and to alert them of armor and/or infantry coming in through the back where they can't necessarily see them right off the bat, and this means they lose the element of surprise.

For an analogy, I think snipers should be like mages in rpgs. Everybody disses them because they are typically the coolest class so there is an excessive number of them, but the fact is there are still some good ones and without any on your team, it can make it a very frustrating game. They need to stay back and support the big, burly fighters, (AT, assault, medic) with precision work, giving your side the health advantage and keeping your eyes open for people hiding and/or long distances away that harass your squad.

So I like a good sniper squad leader.

Edit: awww, someone beat me to it in a lot fewer words.

Last edited by Flaming_Maniac (2006-06-29 06:52:12)

Hurricane
Banned
+1,153|7254|Washington, DC

Anti-Tank. why? they won't stay alive as long. If they're doing their job, they're prone to lots of death because of armor.
Scorpian65
Member
+14|7362

CrazeD wrote:

If someone doesn't join a squad simply because of the squad leader's kit, then they have no idea how to use teamwork.

I base my squad selection on good players, not on kits. I've played with people who will own everything with any kit.

The kit doesn't matter, it's whose using the kit that matters.
Agreed
EarlOfBronze
A Wolf Among Lambs
+19|7145
Snipers make fantastic squad leaders. They can remain under cover near an enemy base, their camoflage keeping them alive when others would die(very important since 1.3). They can provide fire support from their hidden position and spot incoming threats such as armor and helis.
sagexp
Member
+16|7178
I love being sniper. While i dont have the hours and experience some have, I still think that a good sniper can make a good squad leader. Last nite on wake, i snuck around to the back of the air field and with my .50cal and kept there chopper down, while a supply,medic and AT class spawned on me and created havoc in there base. My other team mates took the base (eventually!) as they were so distracted by us four, I stayed back avoiding the heavy machine gun fire and the tank while my squad enjoyed having a well hidden spawn point behind enemy lines. Im pretty sure they appreciated my camo kit and my keeping the heli and snipers off there backs
Mouse315
Bash.org Junkie
+105|7144

CrazeD wrote:

If someone doesn't join a squad simply because of the squad leader's kit, then they have no idea how to use teamwork.

I base my squad selection on good players, not on kits. I've played with people who will own everything with any kit.

The kit doesn't matter, it's whose using the kit that matters.
I.M.I Militant
We Are Not Alone In Here
+297|7343|Melbourne, Australia
why dont u guys wanna join a sqaud leader who is sniper.. there goin to be camping sumwhere in a bush not so far out from a flag... its perfect.. if ur sqaud leader follows u into battle hes could die and then u urself get owned.. u gotta spawn all the way bak at a flag...
PunkX
stoned
+198|7248|Canada
I dont really care what it is but if they are a sniper, i will either snipe or medic or support them, easy points. lol

I usually look for a squad that has one guy in it and is ina chopper or a jet, that way i can spawn in the passenger seat for sometime
Poet
Meatbag.
+65|7191|Where I don't know where I am.

I.M.I Militant wrote:

why dont u guys wanna join a sqaud leader who is sniper.. there goin to be camping sumwhere in a bush not so far out from a flag... its perfect.. if ur sqaud leader follows u into battle hes could die and then u urself get owned.. u gotta spawn all the way bak at a flag...
The point I'm making is, most snipers won't move from flag to flag, they perch in some out-of-the-way location and that's it.  Handy to spawn on if they are near a flag, but usually, they aren't.

If I see a decent teamwork player leading his squad well, I don't care what class he is.  Point of the poll is that 95% of the BF population are fools and have no idea how to play it, like so.
Darth_Fleder
Mod from the Church of the Painful Truth
+533|7430|Orlando, FL - Age 43
That's funny, I have never considered the kit of the leader when joining a squad before this thread. I do know a few times I have joined a lone sniper squad, they were rather annoyed I was spawning near them and potentially giving their position away.
Brasso
member
+1,549|7254

Sgt_Bob05 wrote:

I don't give a shit what kit they are as long as they are alive and in a good position when i want to spawn.
I agree, although I do not want to spawn on a Spec-Ops squadleader running through the streets of Karkand instead of doing useful things like blowing up commander's assets.  I already see way too many people playing Spec-Ops and doing shit to take out a tank or arty.  All they want is their stupid unlocks.  And C4.  Which they don't use.
"people in ny have a general idea of how to drive. one of the pedals goes forward the other one prevents you from dying"
EarlOfBronze
A Wolf Among Lambs
+19|7145

Poet wrote:

I.M.I Militant wrote:

why dont u guys wanna join a sqaud leader who is sniper.. there goin to be camping sumwhere in a bush not so far out from a flag... its perfect.. if ur sqaud leader follows u into battle hes could die and then u urself get owned.. u gotta spawn all the way bak at a flag...
The point I'm making is, most snipers won't move from flag to flag, they perch in some out-of-the-way location and that's it.  Handy to spawn on if they are near a flag, but usually, they aren't.

If I see a decent teamwork player leading his squad well, I don't care what class he is.  Point of the poll is that 95% of the BF population are fools and have no idea how to play it, like so.
Stupidity isn't related to kit choice.

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