Switchable between 1600 and 800 dpi, well that's a definite step up... damn that's good for only €25! Two thumb buttons is a nice feature too (knife and pistol, or pistol and mini-map scale).
Position of the resolution-change button looks right and "...lighter weight, less drag" definitely sounds good to me too.
Position of the resolution-change button looks right and "...lighter weight, less drag" definitely sounds good to me too.
I own both an MX518 and a Razer Copperhead. The Copperhead is sitting in my drawer now, and I use the MX518. I think the main thing for me is that the Copperhead was just too small for my manly hands. I think if you have danty, delicate, girly hands, you may like the Razer better. The 518 just feels more solid in my hands and is more comfortable. Either one is fine though- both have great features.
One thing about all of this that I've never been able to get a straight answer on- on different computing sites - is the difference between the mouse sensitivity adjustments in windows, and the dpi adjustment in the mouse software. The higher the dpi, the more sensitive the mouse is. We think that we all want a 2000dpi mouse, yet we turn down the mouse sensitivity adjustment in the windows control panel in order to make it not so sensitive. So, the question is: When does ANYONE use the full 2000dpi, when you are effectively lowering the sensitivity in the windows utility? What is the difference between the two?
Is the windows (or in-game) sensitivity slider somehow adjusting something different other than dpi? If you turn dpi way down, you could move the slider all the way up to make it sensitive again- and behaving exactly like it did at 2000dpi. If you turn the dpi all the way up, you could move the slider down to make it less sensitive. What is the difference?
I've asked that on a few different sites, and noone knew the answer. The consesus seems to be to have dpi all the way up, and to turn the sensitivy slider(s) down to compensate- yet noone seems to know WHY. Basically, we never really use the full dpi because it makes it too sensitive.
One thing about all of this that I've never been able to get a straight answer on- on different computing sites - is the difference between the mouse sensitivity adjustments in windows, and the dpi adjustment in the mouse software. The higher the dpi, the more sensitive the mouse is. We think that we all want a 2000dpi mouse, yet we turn down the mouse sensitivity adjustment in the windows control panel in order to make it not so sensitive. So, the question is: When does ANYONE use the full 2000dpi, when you are effectively lowering the sensitivity in the windows utility? What is the difference between the two?
Is the windows (or in-game) sensitivity slider somehow adjusting something different other than dpi? If you turn dpi way down, you could move the slider all the way up to make it sensitive again- and behaving exactly like it did at 2000dpi. If you turn the dpi all the way up, you could move the slider down to make it less sensitive. What is the difference?
I've asked that on a few different sites, and noone knew the answer. The consesus seems to be to have dpi all the way up, and to turn the sensitivy slider(s) down to compensate- yet noone seems to know WHY. Basically, we never really use the full dpi because it makes it too sensitive.
Microsft intellimouse explorer 3.0 FTW!!! pros use it for a reason : the awesome grip it has.
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Bazwalt wrote:
The Razer Copperhead (or even the diamondback). Its just like the Logitech G5 or G7..in fact i reckon its better..but thats just personal opinion. It features:
* 2000dpi with on-the-fly sensitivity adjustments.
* Gold Plated USB connection (apparently it helps with the conductivity making it faster).
* 32kb of onboard memory for storing profiles.
* The profiles can easily be configured for games, and when your playing a particular game just push the button underneath and your profile is loaded.
* It also has 6 configurable buttons (2 of which are the left and right mouse button..but they are configurable also).
* It is coreded..but who cares? Wireless is just a hassle for batteries and bloody signals.
* And it also glows in 3 colours; Red, Blue, and Green. (This is done by an internal LED)
* It also has lil grip on the side for better handling.
All in all this a really great mouse and has never let me down. It was so cool to adjust sensitity for handling a sniper..or making it faster for quicker turns and stuff. Word of caution though, if you can manage to trial test it or something..do it cuz some people find the mouse is too big or wierd in their hand. Other then that everything should be cool.
The Diamondback (Another model similar to the copperhead ) is a bit different, mainly the handling is different and the design. But both are great mouses and again, IMHO out perform the G5 and G7 from Logitech. Good Luck on choosing a mouse.
i know ty but some guy didt of course he didt left his name or reason just -1 me2tuff wrote:
I didnt neg' ya....I +1'd ya.
but back too the thread nice mouses
Skipping (OS takes the input and outputs bits of it) and actually using a lower input of data (input is sent in 'steps') I think.[mcp]eltorrente wrote:
One thing about all of this that I've never been able to get a straight answer on- on different computing sites - is the difference between the mouse sensitivity adjustments in windows, and the dpi adjustment in the mouse software. The higher the dpi, the more sensitive the mouse is. We think that we all want a 2000dpi mouse, yet we turn down the mouse sensitivity adjustment in the windows control panel in order to make it not so sensitive. So, the question is: When does ANYONE use the full 2000dpi, when you are effectively lowering the sensitivity in the windows utility? What is the difference between the two?
It shouldn't be exactly the same if I understand it correctly, but in most uses you just can't notice the difference. Very critical tests of true resolution are fast marks in a high-end painting application (Photoshop will do but Painter can show them more) where higher resolutions will give you smooth strokes while lower resolution gives you 'flats' in what should be a curved area despite the smooth path the cursor takes.[mcp]eltorrente wrote:
Is the windows (or in-game) sensitivity slider somehow adjusting something different other than dpi? If you turn dpi way down, you could move the slider all the way up to make it sensitive again- and behaving exactly like it did at 2000dpi.
When looking for a new mouse, especially one for good gaming experience, look for the following things:
* Laser optics (no ball, or LED to guide the mouse)
- This ensures better and more accurate mouse movement, and dust and and bad mouse mat wont be a problem. Cleaning requirement is must lower
* High DPI (at least 1600, though less will do)
- High resolution mice tends to be better able to detect SMALL movements of the mouse, this allows you a higher mouse sensitivity, and prevents you from inadvertently jerking too much when you snipe
* Good weight (some mice have the ability to take in lead weights so you can configure your optimum weight)
- This ensures that you will be able to have a heavy mouse when you go sniping (or if you want to paint with your mouse for that matter), or other things that require small movement, and prevents you from doing large motions by accident. Use a lighter load for when you fly, or if you need to move the mouse around a lot
* WITH wire.
- Wireless mice tends to run out of batteries at the most inconvenient times. Also there's less chance of interference disturbing your gaming experience. Most wireless mice run on the 2.4 GHz band, which is "free", which in turns means that about 95% of "wireless" household appliances use this band.
* With wheel and at least 2 buttons beyond the left+right
- Wheel is more or less standard, so that goes without saying. But for BF2, you need at elast 2 more buttons for gameplay. Lone wolves who snipe tend to use those buttons for pistol and rifle, for easy switching. Prone spammers have prone change on those buttons, for easy bunnyhopping, and I personally have main weapon (for fast axxess without having to use wheel) on one, and VoIP on the other. When you fly, it's nice to have VoIP easily accessible also (assuming you dont use a stick), as is the parachute button, which is also frequently out of the way from your normal usage.
My personal recommendation goes along the same line as most of the other posters. I have three mice connected to my PC each one for different types of usage, at least two of them are very good for BF2:
the MX518 and the G5. Both of these are available at an affordable price, usually less than $100 at most stores. While the Razor is good (because you can switch sensitivty and button layout on the fly, and it has very high DPI), it's a bit more on the expensive side, AND it's difficult to get because everywhere I go, it's sold out. But it's a VERY good mouse for BF2 also.
* Laser optics (no ball, or LED to guide the mouse)
- This ensures better and more accurate mouse movement, and dust and and bad mouse mat wont be a problem. Cleaning requirement is must lower
* High DPI (at least 1600, though less will do)
- High resolution mice tends to be better able to detect SMALL movements of the mouse, this allows you a higher mouse sensitivity, and prevents you from inadvertently jerking too much when you snipe
* Good weight (some mice have the ability to take in lead weights so you can configure your optimum weight)
- This ensures that you will be able to have a heavy mouse when you go sniping (or if you want to paint with your mouse for that matter), or other things that require small movement, and prevents you from doing large motions by accident. Use a lighter load for when you fly, or if you need to move the mouse around a lot
* WITH wire.
- Wireless mice tends to run out of batteries at the most inconvenient times. Also there's less chance of interference disturbing your gaming experience. Most wireless mice run on the 2.4 GHz band, which is "free", which in turns means that about 95% of "wireless" household appliances use this band.
* With wheel and at least 2 buttons beyond the left+right
- Wheel is more or less standard, so that goes without saying. But for BF2, you need at elast 2 more buttons for gameplay. Lone wolves who snipe tend to use those buttons for pistol and rifle, for easy switching. Prone spammers have prone change on those buttons, for easy bunnyhopping, and I personally have main weapon (for fast axxess without having to use wheel) on one, and VoIP on the other. When you fly, it's nice to have VoIP easily accessible also (assuming you dont use a stick), as is the parachute button, which is also frequently out of the way from your normal usage.
My personal recommendation goes along the same line as most of the other posters. I have three mice connected to my PC each one for different types of usage, at least two of them are very good for BF2:
the MX518 and the G5. Both of these are available at an affordable price, usually less than $100 at most stores. While the Razor is good (because you can switch sensitivty and button layout on the fly, and it has very high DPI), it's a bit more on the expensive side, AND it's difficult to get because everywhere I go, it's sold out. But it's a VERY good mouse for BF2 also.
Whoever gave me those + Karma..Thank You.
Anyways...The Main difference in The Logitech Mice..as some others have stated is:
1) Price. Depending on far your willing to go for your mouse, Both Mice from Razer and Logitech are worth the prices.
2) The feel of it. I cant stress enough how important it is to really get a feel of the mouse before buying it. It saves alot of troubles. So try and get a test of it. If have bigger..meatier and manly hands then the Logitech ones may be for you..if your hands are smaller or grip better with the Razer then well you know what im saying. And yes the Copperhead is a Sexy Beast.
Anyways...The Main difference in The Logitech Mice..as some others have stated is:
1) Price. Depending on far your willing to go for your mouse, Both Mice from Razer and Logitech are worth the prices.
2) The feel of it. I cant stress enough how important it is to really get a feel of the mouse before buying it. It saves alot of troubles. So try and get a test of it. If have bigger..meatier and manly hands then the Logitech ones may be for you..if your hands are smaller or grip better with the Razer then well you know what im saying. And yes the Copperhead is a Sexy Beast.
Me! LolzzBazwalt wrote:
Whoever gave me those + Karma..Thank You.
I have the Microsoft IntelliMouse 5000. It has 1000 dpi but it came with my computer (Velocity Micro Gamers Edge Dual X). Question, if there are better gaming mice like the Copperhead, G5, G7 and others, then will those mice gain a distinct advantage over what I already have? In other words is $50-70 USD worth upgrading? It doesn't sound like it would but I haven't used anything else to compare it to.
I second this. MX1000 rawks, have the prone, VOIP, and crouch on the three side keys, and it snipes REALLY well.elmo1337 wrote:
mx1000
i concurInnerMonkey wrote:
3rd'ed. This mouse is great bang for the buck.gazzie wrote:
Exactly FTW
Any mouse with on-the-fly dpi changing will be a nice addition. Just give it a little time, and remember you'll have to adjust the sensitivity settings in-game to get everything tuned.
I would personally recommend an offering from Razer (i.e. the Copperhead or perhaps Diamondback). Although Logitech have brought out some very nice mice, such as their laser one, it's cordless. I can't list the number of times I've had problems with wireless mice for gaming, so I'd go with a corded one for sure. That's why all Razer mice are wired and are designed specifically for gaming. I use a diamondback and it's perfect, although I hear the new copperhead is even better - plus it comes in lots of colours .
Your mouse matt is just as important though. I use a dell one simply because I like the look of it but it causes my mouse cursor to fly across the screen sometimes, which is most irritating. You don't need a particularly special one (although Razer do offer some very nice mouse matts), just try to avoid ones that have a potentially reflective surface as it causes the mouse's optical beam to get a bit confused.
So I'd put my votes towards the Copperhead. It's comfortable, performs well, is designed for gaming and looks good.
Your mouse matt is just as important though. I use a dell one simply because I like the look of it but it causes my mouse cursor to fly across the screen sometimes, which is most irritating. You don't need a particularly special one (although Razer do offer some very nice mouse matts), just try to avoid ones that have a potentially reflective surface as it causes the mouse's optical beam to get a bit confused.
So I'd put my votes towards the Copperhead. It's comfortable, performs well, is designed for gaming and looks good.
MX518 isn't cordless, neither is the G5.Mouse212 wrote:
I would personally recommend an offering from Razer (i.e. the Copperhead or perhaps Diamondback). Although Logitech have brought out some very nice mice, such as their laser one, it's cordless.
Distinct advantage? Hmmm, well personally I think a cordless mouse is a mistake but it is what you're used to. You know one thing for sure: with a corded mouse you don't have to worry about batteries. I was loaned an IntelliMouse 5000 by a friend since he can't use it and I didn't like the drag on the wheel (no problem for gaming but I didn't like it for browsing) but above all it felt like a brick because I'm just not accostomed to any weight on a mouse. Played with it for about five minutes and immediately switched back to my current one.jclutch21 wrote:
I have the Microsoft IntelliMouse 5000. It has 1000 dpi but it came with my computer (Velocity Micro Gamers Edge Dual X). Question, if there are better gaming mice like the Copperhead, G5, G7 and others, then will those mice gain a distinct advantage over what I already have?
It might be to you but it's pretty hard to know ahead of time without being able to test. I haven't ever used the G5 so I'm putting some faith in the reports I've read but I needed a new mouse anyway as the right button on this one is damaged *innocent whistle* and I wanted at least one additional button for faster switching to the pistol or whatever.jclutch21 wrote:
In other words is $50-70 USD worth upgrading? It doesn't sound like it would but I haven't used anything else to compare it to.
jclutch21:
The biggest advantage you'll see in gaming is the ability to change sensitivity to better match a given weapon. For example, in BF2, if I hop in a tank or APC, I crank the dpi up a notch or two so I can move the turret faster. If I'm sniping or just taking a long shot in general, I can very quickly lower the dpi so the mouse isn't as twitchy.
Something I suggest to people looking to better their gaming rig is a mouse with on-the-fly dpi adjustment and a Nostromo speedpad. This combo gives you lots of options in button mapping and movement without having to move more than fingertips, not to mention ergonomic comfort. The only thing I use the keyboard for while gaming is to type a message!
The biggest advantage you'll see in gaming is the ability to change sensitivity to better match a given weapon. For example, in BF2, if I hop in a tank or APC, I crank the dpi up a notch or two so I can move the turret faster. If I'm sniping or just taking a long shot in general, I can very quickly lower the dpi so the mouse isn't as twitchy.
Something I suggest to people looking to better their gaming rig is a mouse with on-the-fly dpi adjustment and a Nostromo speedpad. This combo gives you lots of options in button mapping and movement without having to move more than fingertips, not to mention ergonomic comfort. The only thing I use the keyboard for while gaming is to type a message!
Yes thats also what i forgot to mention. Although the G5 isn't cordless...as some people say (I was sure it was :S) but in anycase...the G7 DEFINANTLY is and well thats probably the major problem with the mouse is its cordless. The Razer is 1) Designed for gaming. and 2) It's corded..meaning no battery changing or stuffing up at wrong moment.Mouse212 wrote:
I would personally recommend an offering from Razer (i.e. the Copperhead or perhaps Diamondback). Although Logitech have brought out some very nice mice, such as their laser one, it's cordless. I can't list the number of times I've had problems with wireless mice for gaming, so I'd go with a corded one for sure. That's why all Razer mice are wired and are designed specifically for gaming. I use a diamondback and it's perfect, although I hear the new copperhead is even better - plus it comes in lots of colours .
Your mouse matt is just as important though. I use a dell one simply because I like the look of it but it causes my mouse cursor to fly across the screen sometimes, which is most irritating. You don't need a particularly special one (although Razer do offer some very nice mouse matts), just try to avoid ones that have a potentially reflective surface as it causes the mouse's optical beam to get a bit confused.
So I'd put my votes towards the Copperhead. It's comfortable, performs well, is designed for gaming and looks good.
This may sound biased but i HIGHLY recommend the Razer. But if Wireless isnt a problem or your not quite wanting a Razer then the Logitech G5 or G7 is your best bet.
Yea thats what i immediatly liked...with my other mouse i had to literally push my mouse off the desk to turn the turret or spin my jet...with the Razer a few twitches and i had donw a 180 with the turret and a 360 with the jet. Sensitivity is the very 1st thing youll notice. Not to mention whenever the computer turns on the sexy beast glows.jclutch21 wrote:
The biggest advantage you'll see in gaming is the ability to change sensitivity to better match a given weapon. For example, in BF2, if I hop in a tank or APC, I crank the dpi up a notch or two so I can move the turret faster. If I'm sniping or just taking a long shot in general, I can very quickly lower the dpi so the mouse isn't as twitchy.
I use the the Steel 5L mousepad. Its uber smooth and has 5 different layers..teflon i think is one of them..and its like bigger then my monitor so its uber huge..even though i dont need it that big. You can check it out at www.pccasegear.comInnermonkey wrote:
Something I suggest to people looking to better their gaming rig is a mouse with on-the-fly dpi adjustment and a Nostromo speedpad. This combo gives you lots of options in button mapping and movement without having to move more than fingertips, not to mention ergonomic comfort. The only thing I use the keyboard for while gaming is to type a message!
Good advice and example of what makes it better to boot. By the way, my mouse is not cordless.InnerMonkey wrote:
jclutch21:
The biggest advantage you'll see in gaming is the ability to change sensitivity to better match a given weapon. For example, in BF2, if I hop in a tank or APC, I crank the dpi up a notch or two so I can move the turret faster. If I'm sniping or just taking a long shot in general, I can very quickly lower the dpi so the mouse isn't as twitchy.
Something I suggest to people looking to better their gaming rig is a mouse with on-the-fly dpi adjustment and a Nostromo speedpad. This combo gives you lots of options in button mapping and movement without having to move more than fingertips, not to mention ergonomic comfort. The only thing I use the keyboard for while gaming is to type a message!
razer pro v1.6 great for finger tip players. got it during the last woot-off.
Logitech mx1000 cost me 160 bucks
QFT...InnerMonkey wrote:
3rd'ed. This mouse is great bang for the buck.gazzie wrote:
Exactly FTW
Any mouse with on-the-fly dpi changing will be a nice addition. Just give it a little time, and remember you'll have to adjust the sensitivity settings in-game to get everything tuned.
Medium-Large to Large hands: G5
Small to medium hands: G5 maybe, or Razer of your choice
$50-60some, well worth it.
Small to medium hands: G5 maybe, or Razer of your choice
$50-60some, well worth it.
i have the MX510 very nice i like it
i use the logitech g5, the ability to change dpi in game is a huge plus for me, put the dpi up in a tank to get the turret moving quicker, then slow it down when playing sniper.
i reccomend doing some research ON ALL those mice suggested in the thread, narrow it down and then go actually put one in ur hand, doesn't matter how good ur mouse is or the functionality of it if it is uncomfortable.
i reccomend doing some research ON ALL those mice suggested in the thread, narrow it down and then go actually put one in ur hand, doesn't matter how good ur mouse is or the functionality of it if it is uncomfortable.