iPoon.be
Internet Poon
+145|7098|Belgium
Playing wake today, i noticed that AA is almost useless against J-10:

- The AA on the carrier sucks ass for having the most inaccurate missles ive seen, they all just seem to trail the jet for 20 feet, then lose interest -.-
Also, it dies much too fast for what it looks like: an indestructable fort

- The stationary AA on the USMC artillery island = free kill for any J-10 pilot.. is it just me, or do they always dive for that first? I cant even get one lousy missle off, not that they do much damage
Any other stationary AA doesnt amount to much more than an annoying fly in the pilots cockpit. They just let lose some flares and never even break a sweat


Anyway, i think AA should die and burn in hell, except the mobile species which is actually better at killing infantry than taking down anything airborn.
Microwave
_
+515|7223|Loughborough Uni / Leeds, UK
He is so right.... which is sad, i hate plane wh0res! argh!!!




I vote for another Sesexx gun on arty island!
PRiMACORD
Member
+190|7193|Home of the Escalade Herds
They suck against jets but they work great against choppers
iPoon.be
Internet Poon
+145|7098|Belgium

PRiMACORD wrote:

They suck against jets but they work great against choppers
Sometimes.. only on stupid pilots
Ty
Mass Media Casualty
+2,401|7343|Noizyland

I dunno, it is tough to use them because they are fairly exposed, I'd still opt for it over a sharp stick. Remember if a J10 passes you and realises you are there, get out FAST and find cover. Sure the Stinger will be blown up when the pilot flies back over, but at least you wont be attached to it when it does.
[Blinking eyes thing]
Steam: http://steamcommunity.com/id/tzyon
aqempty
Member
+6|7074|international waters
the only map that i maybe use the aa is iron gator
the most anoying thing of missiles is  to trow one to a cobra, miss without flares or doing a evasion trick,and start following a teammate.
in some maps there are a lot of aa so enemys(usually f35) are usually pissed off.
Chorcai
Member
+49|7216|Ireland
Ye need to use BOTH AA on the carrier, dont shoot missles when the plane is heading for you, use the guns wait untill he has paased THEN use your 8 missles on him, that goes for both AA, but as per norm nearly 99% of the jets go for the AA at the end of the runway so this is where the second AA comes into play, while gunning follow and lead your shots then after he takes out the AA at the end of the runway he has to pull (most do) then unload your 8 missles on him, 2-3times in a row, he gets pissed and with 10 other guys waiting for the jet he wont risk losing hes J10 to some lower life noob. I hope this helps as it works for me alot.
PCShooterNoob
Member
+22|7108|Florida
I agree , man... at least I can run around with a pointed stick...and if a knife is a one hit kill in Battlefield, ya gotta think that a sharp stick would be two at the most.  Given the option between sitting in worthless AA shooting what may as well be slingshots at what might as well be X-Wings, or running around buck naked with camo paint and a wooden spear shouting the lyrics to "Cowboys from Hell"...I'll take the naked singy pokey.

...and yes. I have thought about this before.
iPoon.be
Internet Poon
+145|7098|Belgium
Tyferra, youre right about the bailing thing, but they usually kill you fast enough not to even get time for that..
I mean, my draw distance sucks o.O

OH and btw, when you finally do kill a plane, its still only 1 kill.. easy enough to get as a ground pounder, so i dont know why i would bother going through AA hell
X3M*Selkie
Member
+13|7146|Belgium

iPoon.be wrote:

- The stationary AA on the USMC artillery island = free kill for any J-10 pilot.. is it just me, or do they always dive for that first? I cant even get one lousy missle off, not that they do much damage .
Some feeling about AA on Wake. I've managed once to get a shot (fired all missiles in short sequence) at a J-10 from the island AA at the moment it was right above - just passed. Got a lock, but the missiles just trailed for a while and disappeared. The Jet didn't even bother to drop flares!!!!

In general, my experience is that any AA (mobile or stationary) is not a big help against jets, Mobile AA is quiet good against choppers, got my badges for that.
PRiMACORD
Member
+190|7193|Home of the Escalade Herds

iPoon.be wrote:

PRiMACORD wrote:

They suck against jets but they work great against choppers
Sometimes.. only on stupid pilots
You're a jackass if you really think that as it's far from the truth.

Unless you consider solo tving 'flying'.

Last edited by PRiMACORD (2006-07-09 00:50:14)

Plisken
POE2 Addict For Life
+21|7152|Vic, Australia
If they removed the trees from infront of the stinger on the arty island on wake , it would be so much easier to take out jets and helo's, the j-10's and the z-10's guns go through the trees the stinger missiles don't.
ToXiC888
Cal players > BF2s
+40|7153|Columbus,Ohio-THE Ohio State U
No its the complete opposite actually.  Stationary AA is the only thing that will consistently hit a J-10.  The essex is very iffy, especially if its the back one (The front one seems to be so much better).  If a J-10 has no flares then stationary AA will hit 95% of the time, if not more.
elmo1337
Banned
+186|7127|The real world
the essex gun rox, most people rely on their missiles solely, but u need to use ze mini gun u destroy them in 3 sec full fire or something
Twist
Too old to be doing this sh*t
+103|7091|Little blue planet, milky way
I dont get why people ar complaining about AA being that inefficient. I think it's a LOT better now than it was when the game was new. Try imagining being raped to kingdom come by a pilot getting a 55/0 K/D, JUST because he's got a plane. That's the way things USED to be.
First and foremost becuse the AA USED to be a LOT worse than now, and planes used to be a lot better.
If you think AA wont work against a plane, then you're just a bad AA gunner. Get more practice. It took me the better part of 15 hours (game time, so in reality more than a full week !) sitting in the essex and various groundbased AA on various maps to get the hang of shooting down airplanes and helos. Now I'm actually quite good at it. Even the most experienced of pilots will not do more than one or two strafings over the essex if I'm in the AA gun (Wake, Dalian and Oman maps), because I shoot them down 95% of the time if they want to rape the deck. In point of fact, I actually sometimes try to goad them into attacking the essex, even if I'm the only guy on it and they fet NOTHING for spawnraping except their own death. I yell and scream "the skies belong to ME", "come get some", "I OWN this airspace", and all the 10 year olds they get so pissed they just cant resist trying to attack me. They dont even NOTICE that they get one kill for every three times they get shot down, and most of the time that kill isnt' even me !
The smart guys take notice and just get their points elsewhere (damned, that means I have to MOVE.. crap), and the bad pilots just forget about taking a plane out for a ride.

Sure, it's darned annoying that the J10 can fly faster than your missles. That DOES make the stationary ground AA very hard to use against the J10, but not impossible. It's just a matter of a large part of skill, a little part of luck, and getting the right angle on their J10. The two western most flags on wake, those AA positions are almost USELESS against the J10s (good against the F35s and helos though) because of the flight paths that the J10s usually take once one of these flags have been taken, you may get lucky, but luck has more to do with it than skill on those two AA sites.

Also, remember that in order for an airplane to actually kill inf, he will have to point his nose DOWN either to strafe with MG, or to bomb (I've tried being missiled while an inf though.. Darned annoying). At these times almost 98% of pilots will be flying in a straight line (if he's not, he's either a god, or a noob who will crash regardless if you shoot at him or not). If you're good with an Eryx/Predator, then you can easily shoot him down. A single hit will kill the airplane. While I'm not a good shot with the M1's maingun, I've seen plenty of tankers take down the J10 with the main gun also, because they fly in a straight line, thus allowing you to anticipate their future location and firing at that point.

The time fo total ownage in a plane is over. Yes the J10 DOES take more skill/luck to hit, but you DO NOT see 55/0 K/D rations anymore because it IS possible to kill airplanes. The fact that someone doesnt put in the time to learn how to do it does not, IMO, give them the right to complain. After all, it IS just a matter of practice, and while it's not much fun to get baseraped back to the stoneage, it IS at times like that you get in your best practice times. So the next time the carrier gets spawnraped like there's no tomorrow, get in one of the AA guns, and learn how to use it ! Then move on to learning the Mobile AA and the stationary AA sites. Manning these can be critical because if they're NEVER manned, then the planes TRULY are the masters of the skies. On oman if you're MEC there IS no decent AA site to defend your mainbase with, and you pretty much have to learn how to shoot the planes down with AT shots ! So in conclusion, if you think that AA is useless, try to play the loosing side on Oman, Dalian or Wake, and you will get in great practice time. If you dont want to practice, then dont complain, because then you haven't earned the RIGHT to complain.
Lucien
Fantasma Parastasie
+1,451|7221
AA is still laughable, Twist. Pilots thesedays just don't know jack sh*t about what they're doing.

Stationary AA = free kill
AA vehicle = free kill that takes 2 seconds of planning.

Since 1.2, the vast majority pilots are complete and utter morons. Don't let this give you a flawed perspective on the real state of affairs.
https://i.imgur.com/HTmoH.jpg
PCShooterNoob
Member
+22|7108|Florida
If you're in a jet...ANY jet...when you get locked on to, you can just drop counter measures and then accelerate out of the range of any stationary AA before your countermeasures even hit the ground and the person can lock onto you again.  The Essex and Mobile AA vehicles can still present a problem with their cannons, but your mobility should easily be able to overcome that if you're even a half way decent pilot.  As for  Attack gunships, similar strategy, but instead of trying to get out of range after dropping countermeasures, you just blow the AA up with the monstrous amount of firepower you have, especially with a gunner.  You may take a hit, but it takes 2 AA rockets to destroy you, so you can head straight back the helipad for repairs and refitting.

My point is, while there ARE ways to make AA effective, it's much easier for a good pilot to overcome you.  Especially the standard dual stationary AA launchers...you can't move, while they can fly circles around you, and any given jet or attack helicopter has about 80 times your firepower as well.  And since it takes them one shot to kill you and it takes you two shots to kill them, well...you're really fighting a losing battle most of the time.
Twist
Too old to be doing this sh*t
+103|7091|Little blue planet, milky way
I still disagree. The AA works. There may be a couple of pilots left who knows how and when to avoid AA and determined defenders. But these are few and far between. The majority just plows through as many targets as possible hoping to get lucky or betting that none of his targets know how to shoot down an aircraft.

and sarge, I never said it wasn't easy for the plane to shoot at an AA site/vehicle. I just said that with a lot of practice and a little luck, the guy who mans it has a VERY good chance at shooting down the plane FIRST. Simply because most pilots WANT that single kill rather than attacking something more defenseless. Anyone who just sits in the AA for extended periods are toast. But so's a guy who just runs into the middle of CQB and starts typing out "shoo, get away from me", instead of shooting at his enemies. You gotta fight, and you gotta fight smart.  It's kill or be killed when you go up against an aircraft, disengaging is rarely possible because a single good hit does the trick from either party. And in the end (look at my stats) I get the aircraft more often than it gets me.

On stationary AA my favy tactic is to paint the aircraft, wait for it to return to take me down, get out of the AA, then take him out with my Eryx/Predator. In the Essex I just take him with the guns, the Essex guns do more damage then the jet's MG, so I kill him if he goes head on (like most pilots do), he takes 1/2-2/3 of my health, so I just need to repair afterwards. Free kill each time.

Play smart, respect your opponent, and practice hitting aircraft in motion, and you WILL win the day against aircraft. You will win simply because most pilots are too stupid or too lazy to play smart, and because they do not respect the awesome power their opponent has in an AA site or AT rocket if they know how to use it. The average pilot just assumes that HIS skill is superior.

While I wouldn't dislike the idea of increasing the speed of the AA missiles, or nerfing the jets armor or MG, then for the time being at least, I shoot down LOADS of aircraft simply because I have lots of practice in doing so. A vod/hummer or a TOW or mounted MG will do in a pinch, use your PKM if you have to. Planes are hard to hit untill you get the hang of it, but once you do, you will be able to take out lots of planes if you are determined enough.

What I'm saying here is PRACTICE MAKES PERFECT !
BabySpinach
Phone Spammer
+207|7159|Charlottesville, Virginia, USA

ToXiC888 wrote:

No its the complete opposite actually.  Stationary AA is the only thing that will consistently hit a J-10.  The essex is very iffy, especially if its the back one (The front one seems to be so much better).  If a J-10 has no flares then stationary AA will hit 95% of the time, if not more.
Exactly.  These idiots don't know how to use stationary AA.   First, you don't SIT IN IT.  You wait NEXT TO IT and then get in it when the jet flies over.

Last edited by BabySpinach13 (2006-07-09 21:57:52)

PRiMACORD
Member
+190|7193|Home of the Escalade Herds

BabySpinach13 wrote:

ToXiC888 wrote:

No its the complete opposite actually.  Stationary AA is the only thing that will consistently hit a J-10.  The essex is very iffy, especially if its the back one (The front one seems to be so much better).  If a J-10 has no flares then stationary AA will hit 95% of the time, if not more.
Exactly.  These idiots don't know how to use stationary AA.   First, you don't SIT IN IT.  You wait NEXT TO IT and then get in it when the jet flies over.
qft

Sitting in it makes you turn into a nice green reticle target.

Get in, fire your missiles, get out and get some distance.
ToXiC888
Cal players > BF2s
+40|7153|Columbus,Ohio-THE Ohio State U

PRiMACORD wrote:

BabySpinach13 wrote:

ToXiC888 wrote:

No its the complete opposite actually.  Stationary AA is the only thing that will consistently hit a J-10.  The essex is very iffy, especially if its the back one (The front one seems to be so much better).  If a J-10 has no flares then stationary AA will hit 95% of the time, if not more.
Exactly.  These idiots don't know how to use stationary AA.   First, you don't SIT IN IT.  You wait NEXT TO IT and then get in it when the jet flies over.
qft

Sitting in it makes you turn into a nice green reticle target.

Get in, fire your missiles, get out and get some distance.
Ya that works against the inexperianced to average pilots.  A good jet pilot will put at least a few good rounds near the aa then concentrate on targets that are actually showing up on the HUD.
BVC
Member
+325|7264
I made a thread which offers an idea for a solution to the wake dillema:
http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=32046
ResDog1
Member
+51|7334|Netherlands
I agree... AA works if you know how to fool the jet whores....
Eg. wait next to the AA. let the jet fly over, get in... Aim, fire... (probably only the sencond missile will hit, but you have spooked the pilot and he will need to fix his plane or he'll be toast on his next run...).

Getting hit by an "invisible" enemy makes jet jockey's think twice... That is what AA is for. If it was too easy there would be no fun.

But i agree it is hard work and somewhat ungreatfull considering the low number of point you get for your skillz.
Nikola Bathory
Karkand T-90 0wnage
+163|7355|Bulgaria
Wake sux anyway!!!
but nowadays the AA is better, do you remember the AA from earlier versions?? Before 1.22 (was it this patch that improved it?) it was a joke! Now, you can easily shot down heli's, at least.
.:XDR:.PureFodder
Member
+105|7398
At least these days the AA missiles don't do thier flying 5m then doing a 180 and chasing down the full blackhawk trick that they used to be so great at.

Board footer

Privacy Policy - © 2025 Jeff Minard