BF2S Forums Wow, solo choppering is FUN

Ducksteina wrote:

I also like solo choppering - great training to shooting TV rockets.
But there's nothing better than a good gunner AND a good pilot - they will always be better than a single guy.

Not necessarily. A pilot who can't stay in the air longer than a minute and a gunner who cant tv a stationary target won't be nearly as effective as a solo gunner who can.

But I see what you're saying. Provided a decent pilot and a decent gunner, they will (should) be better than a solo chopper pilot.

antin0de wrote:

I've only tried solo TV'ing briefly... I noticed that when I switch seats, the chopper quickly yaws to the right. 

Do you compensate for this, or does it eventually stop?

Compensate, or pitch it down a little.

antin0de wrote:

I've only tried solo TV'ing briefly... I noticed that when I switch seats, the chopper quickly yaws to the right. 

Do you compensate for this, or does it eventually stop?

I always turn the chopper a bit to the left of the target before I fire, so that I can hit f2, right click, and then fire the missile so it will be close to where I would be aiming if I had a pilot.

If you sit in the gunners seat, the chopper will do a turn and a half (540 degrees, give or take a few, I think it;s more like 510) and then fall to the ground. It falls rather quickly so I wouldnt suggest firing when it is at that stage (Plus it makes for an easy target)


It's a touch thing. Alternatively you can turn a bit farther left to get a sence of direction before firing.

Now, before you read further, I want the solo pilot/gunners out there know that their multi-role ability is impressive, IMO.  However....

I'd have to agree with many others that a good working pilot/gunner team can be the most deadly thing on the battlefield.  The sad thing I've seen about solo pilots/gunners is that they tend to hover real high, out of stinger locking range, and they use the TV missile just about exclusively.  Thus, they make a decent amount of enemy vehicle kills, can't see (let alone, stop) enemy infantry taking flags, and rarely die.  So, it's often not that there aren't potential gunners wanting to take the gunner position.  It's probably just the potential gunners' beliefs that they're not gonna get into the gunner seat unless they decide to wait for the solo pilot/gunner to return for reloading.  So, potential gunners think, "why even bother?"

Also, the solo pilots/gunners posting here must be a rare breed, from my experience.  I've seen other solo pilot/gunners come back for reloading, have three other potential gunners hopping around on the helipad spamming, "Give me a ride," and hover just out of range to prevent them from getting in the chopper.  IMHO, that's bullshit.

In the end, I'm a firm believer that, with the attack choppers, you should be married to the seat you've taken.  Of course, that's more because I'm tired of sniping pilots out of their seats, watching the gunner take control, and return back to base for "immediate pilot rearming."  However, being "married to the seat" would also prevent solo pilot/gunner situations.

Good pilots are hard to come by. I think of myself as a pretty good pilot (I try not to be conceited) and I always get stuck with the STUPIDEST gunners. I fly RIGHT behind their chopper, 30m or so away, and they thing that the best thing to do is to shoot the gun wildly down. No, idiot, look at the chopper in front of you. YES there is a TV missile! WOW! Maybe it wouldd be more effective than shooting the gun and making the other chopper go through evasive manuevers.

And that AA vehicle that I spotted? Maybe you should, like, shoot it! The empty building wont jump up and attack you with 12 missile and a rapid firing gun. Maybe you should shoot the AA vehicle instead!

And then when you hover about 200-300m away from a populated base and your gunner just sits there. Maybe, I don't know, shoot a tv missile and take out a vehicle? an aa emplacement? even an infantry man for christ sake.

I don't blame gunners who cant hit crap with a tv missile, because frankly, I can't either (I click and reclick wayyy too much, horrible habit) but those that lack common sence or even the ability to read that chat that says "USE THE TV MISSILE" is just stupidity at its worst. An attack chopper is not an infantry-only slayer. It's an EVERYTHING slayer.



Gunners would be 50-500% better if they spent a bit of time in the pilot's seat. Or used VOIP.


And for this, I salute thee, Pilot and gunners alike, that actually do their job and have common sence.

MadKatter wrote:

Good pilots are hard to come by. I think of myself as a pretty good pilot (I try not to be conceited) and I always get stuck with the STUPIDEST gunners. I fly RIGHT behind their chopper, 30m or so away, and they thing that the best thing to do is to shoot the gun wildly down. No, idiot, look at the chopper in front of you. YES there is a TV missile! WOW! Maybe it wouldd be more effective than shooting the gun and making the other chopper go through evasive manuevers.

Personally, I think pilots who can get their gunner into a decent firing postition, manuever around obstacles, evade close enemy ground fire, and make a few kills themselves are better pilots than the high hovering solo pilot/gunners.  On the other side of the coin, I've had pilots that get pissed that I'm not using the TV missile, and it's often because they may have themselves lined up to the target, but they don't have the TV missile lined up.

MadKatter wrote:

And that AA vehicle that I spotted? Maybe you should, like, shoot it! The empty building wont jump up and attack you with 12 missile and a rapid firing gun. Maybe you should shoot the AA vehicle instead!

Yep, pilots' and gunners' ears should perk up when they hear, "Enemy AA spotted."  This is also a perfect reason to use Voip.  However, I've also seen pilots make the same error.  Where the gunner spots the AA vehicle, lets the pilot know, and the pilot isn't paying attention.

MadKatter wrote:

And then when you hover about 200-300m away from a populated base and your gunner just sits there. Maybe, I don't know, shoot a tv missile and take out a vehicle? an aa emplacement? even an infantry man for christ sake.

Terrible, terrible, terrible.  Only reason I can find, beyond ineptness, is that the gunner may be looking somewhere else.

MadKatter wrote:

I don't blame gunners who cant hit crap with a tv missile, because frankly, I can't either (I click and reclick wayyy too much, horrible habit) but those that lack common sence or even the ability to read that chat that says "USE THE TV MISSILE" is just stupidity at its worst. An attack chopper is not an infantry-only slayer. It's an EVERYTHING slayer.

True, some players just don't know that there is a TV missile in the game.  Of course, everyone started out as rookies, at one point or another.

I definitley agree that the attack chopper is an everything killer though.

MadKatter wrote:

Gunners would be 50-500% better if they spent a bit of time in the pilot's seat. Or used VOIP.

Oh so true.  So very true.  VOIP is awesome in game, but is almost completely unavoidable with chopper pilots and gunners.  Now, if only all servers were equipped with it.

Also, on the flipside (again, I know), pilots should spend some time in the gunner's seat, so they at least get an understanding of the chaos on that end of the chopper's nose, as well.  Also, they may also learn that the gunner's TV missile screen is not pointing the exact same direction as the pilot's hellfire missiles are.

MadKatter wrote:

And for this, I salute thee, Pilot and gunners alike, that actually do their job and have common sence.

Here's a salute from me too.

I have some good news too

THANKS TO THIS FORUM I FINALLY FIGURED OUT HOW TO PROPERLY USE THE TV MISSLE

killing spree here i come ^^
i wish i could +karma everyone

slicknic wrote:

I love soloing, theres nothin really like it.  Check out my tutorial.. all abot soloing/ choppering in general http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid … 2+tutorial

Not a bad video. Work on the dailouge and tone . I also think the max range of a tv missile is 500m, I hit the AA at gulf base when the flag was 480m away....

And I was surprised to see nothing about Buggy/Humvee/Vod problems. These are my biggest threats when solo gunning, they take you down fast and as a solo-er you usually dont have time to find them, switch to TV, and fire. Its a lot easier to do as a 2 man crew but I have trouble avoiding them as a solo.

And I was saddened that there was nothing about Mgunning solo That's something I have trouble with.

All in all a good video for beginners (I didn't really learn anything but it was nice to see someone else's view). Solo-ing is definatley the most fun on big maps with small amounts of players (Everyone in vehicles).

Harmonics wrote:

I love solo choppering, specially when I get  45+ kills IAR