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Sgt_Bob05 wrote:

IMO America has fucked up gun laws. Why do you think you have so many gun related deaths in your country.

stryyker wrote:

Sgt_Bob05 wrote:

IMO America has fucked up gun laws. Why do you think you have so many gun related deaths in your country.

guns dont kill people, people kill people

Sgt_Bob05 wrote:

IMO America has fucked up gun laws. Why do you think you have so many gun related deaths in your country.

Tyferra wrote:

Man the US Constitution is easy. Wish we had one like that here. We don't even have a single writen document, (one of only three countrys who don't, including England and Israel.)

My opinion has always been that firearms should be a privilage not a right. It's a fairly useless piece of beauraucracy that would mean hat getting your hands on a gun would be a bit harder, and that you'd have  certain amount of responsibility when something goes wrong. I have a gun licence because i like to hunt. It dosn't have endorcements so I can't own any automatic weapons or handguns, (althouh the rules are so tight there is no point of owning them here in Noisyland,) but I can buy and use hunting rifles/shotguns.

Maybe if some limits were imposed - I mean honestly, you're not going to use that Ruger for hunting Deer now are you, it's a people killer - soguns designed to kill people, (pistols/automatic weapon,) aren't so readily avaliable it wold calm th situation down a bit. If one really wanted to fire off those big guns and feel their mental penis gro a bit, I'm sure a situation would arise where there would be gun clubs to give you access to the 'big guns.' As far as i know people who own those big guns realy onl use them for show or target shooting, ther is nothing practical about them.

The other option of course is to join the army. They have big guns.

Last edited by Alexanderthegrape (2006-07-15 16:05:02)

Sgt_Bob05 wrote:

IMO America has fucked up gun laws. Why do you think you have so many gun related deaths in your country.

lp.org wrote:

Libertarians, like other Americans, want to be able to walk city streets safely and be secure in their homes. We also want our Constitutional rights protected, to guard against the erosion of our civil liberties. In particular, Libertarians want to see all people treated equally under the law, as our Constitution requires. America's millions of gun owners are people too.

Law-abiding, responsible citizens do not and should not need to ask anyone's permission or approval to engage in a peaceful activity. Gun ownership, by itself, harms no other person and cannot morally justify criminal penalties.
Constitutional Rights

America's founders fought the Revolutionary War to throw off British tyranny. Most of the revolutionaries owned and used their own guns in that war. After the war, in 1789, the 13 American States adopted the Constitution, creating the federal government. Before ratifying the Constitution, the people demanded a Bill of Rights to prevent our government from depriving them of their liberties as the British had done.

One of the most important protections we have against government tyranny is that we are presumed innocent of any crime until proven guilty, before a jury, in a proper trial.

Gun control advocates would declare all gun owners guilty without trial, simply for owning guns, even though millions of them have never used their guns to harm another person. Such blanket condemnation is immoral, unfair and contrary to the principles on which America was founded.
The Prohibition Lesson

Gun control advocates are much like the prohibitionists of the early 20th Century. By making liquor illegal, they spawned organized crime, caused bloody, violent turf wars and corrupted the criminal justice system. Today's war on drugs has exactly the same results.

Prohibition didn't stop liquor use; the drug laws can't stop drug use. Making gun ownership illegal will not stop gun ownership.

The primary victim of these misguided efforts is the honest citizen whose civil rights are trampled as frustrated legislators and police tighten the screws.

Banning guns will make guns more expensive and give organized crime a great opportunity to make profits in a new black market for weapons. Street violence will increase in new turf wars. Criminals will not give up their guns. But, many law abiding citizens will, leaving them defenseless against armed bandits.
The Right of Self Defense
Libertarians agree with the majority of Americans who believe they have the right to decide how best to protect themselves, their families and their property. Millions of Americans have guns in their homes and sleep more comfortably because of it. Studies show that where gun ownership is illegal, residential burglaries are higher. A man with a gun in his home is no threat to you if you aren't breaking into it.

The police do not provide security in your home, your business or the street. They show up after the crime to take reports and do detective work. The poorer the neighborhood, the riskier it is for peaceful residents.

Only an armed citizenry can be present in sufficient numbers to prevent or deter violent crime before it starts, or to reduce its spread. Interviews with convicted felons indicate that fear of the armed citizen significantly deters crime. A criminal is more likely to be driven off from a particular crime by an armed victim than to be convicted and imprisoned for it. Thus, widespread gun ownership will make neighborhoods safer.

Foolish politicians and police now seek to ban semi-automatic "assault rifles". They ignore the fact that only honest citizens will comply; criminals will still have them. Such a ban will only increase the criminals' ability to victimize the innocent.
Personal Responsibility

Guns are not the problem. They are inanimate objects. Gun control advocates talk as if guns could act on their own, as if human beings cannot control them, so the uncontrollable guns must be banished.

Let us put the responsibility where it belongs, on the owner and user of the gun. If he or she acts responsibly, without attacking others or causing injury negligently, no crime or harm has been done. Leave them in peace. But, if a person commits a crime with a gun, then impose the severest penalties for the injuries done to the victim. Similarly, hold the negligent gun user fully liable for all harm his negligence does to others.

Rather than banning guns, the politicians and the police should encourage gun ownership, as well as education and training programs. A responsible, well-armed and trained citizenry is the best protection against domestic crime and the threat of foreign invasion. America's founders knew that. It is still true today.

lp.org wrote:

We believe that the private ownership of firearms is part of the solution to America's crime epidemic, not part of the problem. Evidence: law-abiding citizens in Florida have been able to carry concealed weapons since 1987. During that time, the murder rate in Florida has declined 21% while the national murder rate has increased 12%.

In addition, evidence shows that self-defense with guns is the safest response to violent crime. It results in fewer injuries to the defender (17.4% injury rate) than any other response, including not resisting at all (24.7% injury rate). Libertarians would repeal waiting periods, concealed carry laws, and other restrictions that make it difficult for victims to defend themselves, and end the prosecution of individuals for exercising their rights of self-defense.

Alexanderthegrape wrote:

Please, just stay right where you are in B.C.

stryyker wrote:

Sgt_Bob05 wrote:

IMO America has fucked up gun laws. Why do you think you have so many gun related deaths in your country.

guns dont kill people, people kill people

imortal wrote:

Oh, and since you were wondering, my father was a suicide, and he killed himself with a gun.

Skruples wrote:

Gun ownership is one thing, what confuses me is when I see people showing off their arsenal of 10-20 weapons that they own for 'self defence'. How many guns can you use at once? One, maybe two if your coordination is good enough. Do you really need that many?

But, to each his own. I recognize that the people with 30 guns in their garage are usually not criminals, so it doesnt matter too much. I just find it foolish.

Kibbick wrote:

stryyker wrote:

Sgt_Bob05 wrote:

IMO America has fucked up gun laws. Why do you think you have so many gun related deaths in your country.

guns dont kill people, people kill people

People don't kill people, armed people kill people. Its a lot harder to kill someone the second you lose your temper if you dont have a right to wander around with a AK-47. You americans are nucking futs with letting everyone have guns. Guess what, that right is a little out of date. I hate to break this to you, but the invasion has been called off. The British arn't coming to retake the 14 colonies!

Last edited by Alexanderthegrape (2006-07-15 17:14:44)